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Message no. 1
From: JOHN SPAIN <93135653@****.dcu.ie>
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:52:05 +0000 (GMT)
HHHmmm. PLease explain how a free spirit manages to post to shadowland.

This better be good...

(Grrrr....)

No... let's not jump the gun. There must be a reasonable explanation...
I'm waiting.

While I'm in a grumpy mood I'll say... aren't Jen ans Gabe getting a mite
tiresome? Do condense your posts a little, Evan, pleeze.

*Quits before he starts offending people*

(Sorry, woke up wrong side of the bed today)

-J.S.
Message no. 2
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:02:46 EST
JOHN SPAIN writes:
> HHHmmm. PLease explain how a free spirit manages to post to shadowland.
> This better be good...

Easy: Either a turtle, or a full immersion sim (through the wonders of
TriD, stuff happens around you, not nearly as much control, but still
better and more natural than a turtle).

> While I'm in a grumpy mood I'll say... aren't Jen ans Gabe getting a mite
> tiresome? Do condense your posts a little, Evan, pleeze.

*grin* They're probably going to have to slow down some time in the
near future anyway (everyone has to work sooner or later), but it's their
personality that they don't shut up... But they will be curbed after a
while... =)


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Message no. 3
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 12:42:26 -0500
John,
The Baron possesses people in order to post...and some spirits when manifest
can also post.
Tom
Message no. 4
From: JOHN SPAIN <93135653@****.dcu.ie>
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 18:22:11 +0000 (GMT)
Tom sez:
>The Baron possesses people in order to post...and some spirits when manifest
>can also post.

Aye to the first one, but nay to the next one. Sure, a manifest spirit can bang
on a keyboard, but being an astral being, he wouldn't be able to understand the
screen, or the symbols on the keyboard, or know what they meant for that
matter! In principle, yes. A spirit could learn to read/write (Though that in
itself would be complex - Can't take in print) and learn the positions of the
keys on a keyboard, and get someone to read over his shoulder. Much simple
all around to possess some sucker (Heh) and do the typing through him.
Message no. 5
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.colorado.edu>
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:24:11 -0700 (MST)
Micheal S. Baron is a free spirit(he used to be a free Loa in the White
Wolf magazine sense, if you've seen the loa there, but with Awakenings
coming out this'll likely change) that possesses a single decker known as
The Baron in order to interact with the Matrix. They made a deal a while
back, and it seemed the only rational way to enable him to interact with
the list as anything more than an occasional presence and background.

MaxiMillion, the person who speaks in the all lower-case letters in
Roxey's posts, is also a free spirt who used to be her ally. Again,
posting through another person.

Brian
Message no. 6
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 95 18:07:45 EST
> The Baron possesses people in order to post...and some spirits when manifest
> can also post.

Wow... He really needs his netfix... =)


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Message no. 7
From: mneideng@****.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard)
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 22:34:54 -0800 (PST)
According to JOHN SPAIN:
>
> HHHmmm. PLease explain how a free spirit manages to post to shadowland.
>
> This better be good...

We'll talk more about Free Spirits in a couple weeks after the Wraith stuff is
done. Let's just say that their capabilities should not be understated, and
as a result, they should not be overused. Which means that I'm skeptical
about Free Spirits posting here as well. =|
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/Jack-of-all-Trades, CACR
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict
Message no. 8
From: mneideng@****.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard)
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 22:41:30 -0800 (PST)
According to Craigtw1@***.com:
>
> John,
> The Baron possesses people in order to post...and some spirits when manifest
> can also post.

I'll put it this way: _if_ there is a Free Spirit that wishes to post to
the net, using a Turtle, or by Possession, or whatever. What I would worry
about is how _often_ Free Spirits should be interacting with events to the
extent that their posts make it onto Shadowland. I am in favor of a
rigorously disciplined number of Free Spirits as part of the "plot", if for
no other reason than they're so damn powerful. A Free Spirit should be a
"game unbalancing" element unless played in very specific ways...
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/Jack-of-all-Trades, CACR
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict
Message no. 9
From: mneideng@****.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard)
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 22:44:07 -0800 (PST)
According to JOHN SPAIN:
> >The Baron possesses people in order to post...and some spirits when manifest
> >can also post.
>
> Aye to the first one, but nay to the next one. Sure, a manifest spirit can bang
> on a keyboard, but being an astral being, he wouldn't be able to understand the
> screen, or the symbols on the keyboard, or know what they meant for that
> matter! In principle, yes. A spirit could learn to read/write (Though that in
> itself would be complex - Can't take in print) and learn the positions of the
> keys on a keyboard, and get someone to read over his shoulder. Much simple
> all around to possess some sucker (Heh) and do the typing through him.

We must keep in mind that not all Free Spirits have Possession. Also, I don't
see what would stop certain Free Spirits (most likely Spirits of Man) from
learning about computers. I _am_ of the opinion that most Free Spirits have
motivations that are a least a bit "bizarre" (if not "alien") and so
the
chances of finding a computer savvy one are somewhat small, but I don't see
any reason why one _can't_...
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/Jack-of-all-Trades, CACR
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict
Message no. 10
From: bd042@***.org (SCN User)
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 00:23:37 -0800
If a free spirit can't see things devoid of emotional content,then
can they see a hologram? howabout a holo of a loved one/hated enemy?

Can a spirit see a wall if it has no emotional value (no rage of
grafitti on it, etc.)?

Can the same spirit see a person if that person has lost all their
essence and has, in game terms, become an emotionless robot? (do
such things have souls anymore?)
--curious and tangential
Message no. 11
From: mneideng@****.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard)
Subject: Re: Two years old
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:13:00 -0800 (PST)
According to SCN User:
>
> If a free spirit can't see things devoid of emotional content,then
> can they see a hologram? howabout a holo of a loved one/hated enemy?
>
> Can a spirit see a wall if it has no emotional value (no rage of
> grafitti on it, etc.)?
>
> Can the same spirit see a person if that person has lost all their
> essence and has, in game terms, become an emotionless robot? (do
> such things have souls anymore?)

If the spirit is manifest, there is no reason it can't see everything in
perfect, mundane detail. This is what it _means_ to be Manifest. Therefore,
the spirit could interact with "machine-generated" symbols, cybered people,
and the whole slew.
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/Jack-of-all-Trades, CACR
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict

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