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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 21:16:49 -0600
Silly boy, you must respond to the LISTSERV, not to the list.

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Message no. 2
From: Randy Barron <rbarron@*****.CS.DU.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 00:11:57 -0700
Were you perhaps foing to eat..... TOAST?!?!?!?!

Ye gods, no one is safe. That #$%# toaster is back and has a Matrix
link.....

Silverflame
Message no. 3
From: Erik S Jameson <esj@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 20:59:57 -0700
Basically, I think the way it works is you get yourself involved. If
there is an interesting storyline, then I would e-mail privately the
person who seems to be running that story, and ask if you can get
involved. Then you can post publicly on TK that you are doing
something. Or at least, that is how I have been doing it.

Erik, a.k.a. the Whistler
Message no. 4
From: The GREAT Cornholio <mruane@***********.HACKS.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 20:55:43 -0700
On Fri, 17 Feb 1995, Doug Lee wrote:

> Ok all.
>
> I've just finished "Bug City" not 10 Min ago, and all I have to say
> is...Uhoh.
>
> I was going to start up a senario about one of the insect totems here in
> Canada (The Alquinkian-Manitoo Councel specifically). It was going to use
> the "Motif" of what the Insect totems *used to be*. Strange stories and
> just chock' full of mysteriousness. Now from what I've read in Bug City,
> this isn't the way things are anymore. The Insect totem has turned from
> "A *what* totem?...Yea.... Ok.... You've been slotting "Against the
Hive"
> one too many times". To something of an "open secret". Now I'm at a
loss
> as to how my story will progress. I'd like to get some responce from all
> of you, what kind of senario you would like me to do. Are the Insect
> totems *still* a "dark and mysterious force"? Or are they now "An open
> secret"?
>
> Doug Lee
> dlee@*******.com
Anyone with half a brain and hald an ear to the streets has heard rumors
of the dreaded insect shamen. Anyone with a whole ear planted on the
streets or a friend in the magical community will tell you that the
insects are real...rare, but real. The people you would find who are
non-believers (Infidels!) are your salairiman and wage-slave-- the
mindless who slot the corp's and Gov's bullshit and think its
chip-truth.

Mike, TGC

Of course, not everyone has seen an insect, and that supposed street sam
at the pub likes to brag about things he's never done. Like he's shot
his way out of an Aztechnology Research Lab. Who would believe such stories?
Message no. 5
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:50:38 -0700 (MST)
Tom, if you want to pull them out, pull them out. They're your
characters, not ours, and you decide what you do with them.

There will be no nuclear detonation, although I suspect we define nuclear
detonation very differently. A nuke blast would vaporize the facility
and do a LOT of damage to Phenom Penh too. That will NOT happen. I've
not asked anyone here on Plot-D or privately to consider that
possibility, and I will not do so. There will be nothing like Chicago in
Cambodia. Simply detonating explosives around the nukes will not send
the plutonium or tritum into a state where it can produce a nuclear
blast. All it will do is blast it into the ground and disperse it so
there's one grain of plutonium here, another there, another 6 feet in the
ground, etc. That's all. And with the bunker collapsed down on top, it
will not be worth Maxim's effort to even think about recovering the stuff.

I think you have the wrong idea about how easy it is to detonate a nuke,
Tom. It's hard to do, and VERY sensetive to lack of symmetry, uneven
explosive force, even just a nanosecond of mistiming of explosions. Why
do you think kryton switches are so damned expensive and under USA
munitions laws? As far as I know, they're the only thing that are
toleranced tight enough and operate fast enough to successfully trigger
the bomb explosives. All the wires to the switches have to be
EXACTLY(and I do mean EXACTLY) the same length or the plutonium won't
detonate properly, and the bomb doesn't work. If the tritium isn't damn
near 100% pure, the regular hydrogen and helium(product of Tritium's beta
decay) suck up the neutrons and the energy required for fusion goes WAY
up, and the reaction stops really fast.

In other words, theres a hell of a lot that can go wrong before you get a
nuke to detonate properly, and prescious little room for error. The way
you safely detonate the nukes is go WAY over the error tolerance, and all
you get is unreacted plutonium reacting with the air, soil, and concrete
as the bunker collapses.

Yes, I'm trying to convince you to leave your characters in, and to allay
some of your discomforts, but if you still feel uncomfortable, yank em.

It's your call.

Brian
Message no. 6
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:00:34 -0500
Brian,
I'm talking about my characters and how THEY will react. Everyone here needs
to LEARN HOW TO ROLE-PLAY, again. That is what is SUPPOSED to go on here.
Tom
Message no. 7
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:14:36 -0700 (MST)
Buzz would know everything I just told said, especially because he's been
around nukes before. Knowing that, I don't know how he'd have the
problems you say he will.

But as I said, you run the characters, not us. If you feel that it would
not be in thier chracter to continue on the run once the plan has been
made, then yank them.

Brian
Message no. 8
From: Robert Rodriguez <Robertr%tfn-ny.com@*********.tfn-ny.com>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:39:04 -0500
> I'm talking about my characters and how THEY will react. Everyone here needs
> to LEARN HOW TO ROLE-PLAY, again. That is what is SUPPOSED to go on here.
> TomWRONG BUCKO! YOU DON"T ROLE PLAY HERE. YOU DO THAT IN SHADOWTK, This IS
plotD.
the D is for discussion....

You know I don't want to get all riled up and start a flame war because this
isn't what this thing is about. TOM aks yourself this question. Does your
character know anything about nuclear reactions? anything at all? beacuse if
he does you'll have to explain how he seems to have forgotten that a nuclear
explosion is one of the most precise, and delicate things in this world.
and that if half of something goes wrong you get a big radioactive DUD.

I'm gonna leave it at that. you actually ticked me, and doesn't happen very
often. You seem to want to bring this thing as close to reality as possible
and thats the problem. this is supposed to be fantasy. You're supposed to be
able to do the four summersaults with a half twist as you blast four trolls
into next week with a panther assault cannon and land on your feet without a
scratch on ya... thats roleplaying ... you geek

I apologize to the rest of you for all this but I can't get my e-mailer to
grab his mail addy. once again i ask you to forgive me.

a very pissed of
Rob
Rob.

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Message no. 9
From: neon@******.backbone.olemiss.edu (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:36:46 -0600
>I apologize to the rest of you for all this but I can't get my e-mailer to
>grab his mail addy. once again i ask you to forgive me.
>
>a very pissed of
>Rob

No problem Rob. Certainly said what I was thinking.

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"You only need two things in this world. WD40 to make things go, and
duct tape to make them stop."
Message no. 10
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:06:33 -0500
Robert,
Buzz is very protective, he KNOWS about nuclear reactions. BUT he will not
be party to nuclear contamination, which also goes for the rest of my
characters to some extent. Shadow and Dragon may or may not continue, but if
Buzz and Gunny are going to stick around; your CHARACTERS are going to have
to do some REALLY GOOD fast-talk.
Tom
Message no. 11
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:39:55 -0500
Oh By the Way, my posts from Buzz and Shadow should give you a hint as to
where Buzz is heading.
Tom
Message no. 12
From: jinx@*******.ca (Michael Chartrand)
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:43:35 +0000
>Brian,
>I'm talking about my characters and how THEY will react. Everyone here needs
>to LEARN HOW TO ROLE-PLAY, again. That is what is SUPPOSED to go on here.
>Tom

I would have to agree with Tom...that is the whole idea of roleplaying.

Michael.
Message no. 13
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:12:17 -0500
In a message dated 96-02-23 09:38:24 EST, you write:

>> I'm talking about my characters and how THEY will react. Everyone here
>needs
>> to LEARN HOW TO ROLE-PLAY, again. That is what is SUPPOSED to go on here.
>> TomWRONG BUCKO! YOU DON"T ROLE PLAY HERE. YOU DO THAT IN SHADOWTK, This IS

>plotD.
>the D is for discussion....
>
>You know I don't want to get all riled up and start a flame war because this

>isn't what this thing is about. TOM aks yourself this question. Does your
>character know anything about nuclear reactions? anything at all? beacuse if

>he does you'll have to explain how he seems to have forgotten that a nuclear

>explosion is one of the most precise, and delicate things in this world.
>and that if half of something goes wrong you get a big radioactive DUD.
>
>I'm gonna leave it at that. you actually ticked me, and doesn't happen very
>often. You seem to want to bring this thing as close to reality as possible

>and thats the problem. this is supposed to be fantasy. You're supposed to be

>able to do the four summersaults with a half twist as you blast four trolls
>into next week with a panther assault cannon and land on your feet without a

>scratch on ya... thats roleplaying ... you geek
>
>I apologize to the rest of you for all this but I can't get my e-mailer to
>grab his mail addy. once again i ask you to forgive me.
>
>a very pissed of
>Rob
>Rob.

Mr. Rodriguez,

I find the above to be thoroughly deplorable, utterly detestable, and totally
childish. The essence of Role-playing is bring the background of your
character(s) to life. Blasting four trolls away with an assualt cannon,
while doing four somersaults and a half twist is considered munchkinism. I
have actually waited about 24 hours before writing this, as I was so angry by
your PERSONAL attack. Also, your attack upon me made me consider pulling ALL
of my characters from Brian's Maxim plot. I am not though, as their
BACKGROUNDS won't ALLOW me to. My personal opinion on any plot has NO
bearing on what my characters do or do not do; for if it did, NONE of my
characters would have been involved in the Maxim plot in the FIRST PLACE(no
offense Brian, but I have considered this entire plot to have been wrong from
the beginning.). Buzz was the ONLY one of my four characters that I said WAS
going to pull out, the others were PROBABLE pull-outs, as Dragon and Shadow
both had an 80% chance of following Buzz's lead; while Gunny was at 95%
chance of following Buzz. The more i thought about it, though, Gunny would
have stayed to make sure everything goes right, and Shadow and Dragon would
have stayed because their friends were involved, and they wouldn't want to
let them down.

Also, Mr. Rodriguez, this has shown how ignorant you are of the actual
nuances of role-playing, and of me and my characters. therefore, Mr.
rodriguez, you owe me an apology, and even now i may not accept it.
Tom
Message no. 14
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 0:01:33 EST
Umfleet writes:
> As a Native and a Native playing character I resent that statement, lets
> see you get all your land swindled from you by a bunch of foreingers and
> not hold a grudge. I didn't see anywhere in my books that says the NAN
> as a whole is racist, some members may be but not all.

Nations as a whole always have some sort of racist tinge. Even my own
beloved Dominion. *sigh* History takes all the fun out of everything, neh?


Evan Hughes | Webmaster
Honours Computer Science | Carleton Computer Science Society
http://chat.carleton.ca/~ehughes | http://omega.scs.carleton.ca/~ccss
Message no. 15
From: Umfleet <gumfleet@***.edu>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:31:11 -0500 (EST)
Fro,
I wouldn't know, I was the other decker and my school shut down for spring
break so I couldn't get in touch with any of them.
Gregg
Message no. 16
From: Samuel Fortiner <fortsa@********.wwc.edu>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:51:05 -0800 (PST)
On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Fro wrote:

> hello guys. I was involved in a plot almost a month ago, with Samuel F as
> kinda the ringleader. I played Circuit, a decker. On the thursday the meet
> was supposed to go off, my ISP went bankrupt, thus, killing my net access.
> I apologize for screwing the plot up, and i hope it turned out ok.
>
>

Yeah, I was wondering what happened to you. The extraction went off okay
and there should be a writeup of it in the next week or so. (I just got
back from Spring Break) In the future, there'll most likely be a little
bit more about Katrina too if you want to get involved again. It's good
to hear from you.

Samuel Fortiner
aka Grimace/Contract/Dashira
Message no. 17
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:28:26 +0000
|
|I'm a bit new, and this is probably a FAQ, but what time zone do we use to
|timestamp our posts? The one we're in?

You can, but it causes one hell of a lot of confusion...
(As we found out earlier this autumn...)

Use GMT if possible... That's an internationally recognised standard and
easy enough to work out from your own location.....

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Message no. 18
From: Mike Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:37:35 -0600
> |
> |I'm a bit new, and this is probably a FAQ, but what time zone do we use to
> |timestamp our posts? The one we're in?
>
> You can, but it causes one hell of a lot of confusion...
> (As we found out earlier this autumn...)
>
> Use GMT if possible... That's an internationally recognised standard and
> easy enough to work out from your own location.....

But it makes more sense to use Seattle, if that's where you're at, or Chicago,
or wherever you are. So that everyone knows, Seattle is Pacific (GMT -800) and
Chicago is Central (GMT -600)

Michael L. Broadwater
Message no. 19
From: Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: your mail
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:02:53 MST
Perhaps it would make sense to modify the timestamp to read:

-- Ratspeak <01:51:59 GMT/11-15-57>

So people know what timezone you are in. Of course, then you have the
date fun: American versus European (which I have been guilty of just
using American for everyone -- technically, Scarface, Nightmare,
Ratspeak should all be posting with European datestamps).

In which case, Ratspeak's posts should be.... (if I remember
correctly)

-- Ratspeak <01:55:34 GMT/15-NOV-57>

So my two questions are:

1) Can we add the timezone abbreviation to the timestamp? (That way
if we want to post say in local time (either local to the character or
the person who is writing) we can just state what the local
abbreviation is and go on with life.)

Disadvantages: 1) Makes the timestamp longer. 2) Isn't like the
sourcebooks. 3) A person needs to convert the timestamp to figure out
what's what (which means knowing what all the abbreviations represent
for purposes of converting).

and 2) Is the European datestamp in the format of 15-NOV-57?

Mike
Message no. 20
From: "Mark A. Imbriaco" <mark@******.NET>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:39:17 -0500
>
> But it makes more sense to use Seattle, if that's where you're at, or
Chicago,
> or wherever you are. So that everyone knows, Seattle is Pacific (GMT -800)
and
> Chicago is Central (GMT -600)
>

Yeah .. but for convenience sake, many of us just use the TZ that
we are in. Sure it confuses the issue sometimes, but as long as the
posts come in chronological order, it usually works out.

-Mark
Message no. 21
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: your mail
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:37:13 +0000
On 14 Nov 96 at 19:02, Mike Goldberg wrote:
[snip example]
> So my two questions are:

> 1) Can we add the timezone abbreviation to the timestamp? (That way
> if we want to post say in local time (either local to the character or
> the person who is writing) we can just state what the local
> abbreviation is and go on with life.)
>
> Disadvantages: 1) Makes the timestamp longer. 2) Isn't like the
> sourcebooks. 3) A person needs to convert the timestamp to figure out
> what's what (which means knowing what all the abbreviations represent
> for purposes of converting).
I think this is a good idea, but GMT should be "standard" or
"default".

> and 2) Is the European datestamp in the format of 15-NOV-57?
Normally it would be <hh:mm:ss/dd-mm-yy> as in 15-11-57, but this can be
easily be confused with the mm-dd-yy notation, and FASA used the three-letter
abbreviation in the London Sourcebook.

Sascha
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Message no. 22
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:37:13 +0000
On 15 Nov 96 at 10:39, Mark A. Imbriaco wrote:
[time zones]
> Yeah .. but for convenience sake, many of us just use the TZ that
> we are in. Sure it confuses the issue sometimes, but as long as the
> posts come in chronological order, it usually works out.
How will this transfer to the logs? will the posts be loged as they arrive, or
will they be "chrono-logical" sorted?

Sascha
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Message no. 23
From: Peter Coxon <coxoff@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: your mail
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:16:07 UT
<snippy Snip SNIP>
>and 2) Is the European datestamp in the format of 15-NOV-57?
>
> Mike
Well I can't say for the rest of europe but it is in the uk, (i however use
both, as i talk to alot of americans :) )
Tim (not the other one)
Message no. 24
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 00:44:52 +0000
|"Traffic A-9, radar has picked up a small object approaching your position
|from the southeast. Please investigate."
|"Roger, Control. Uh, object appears to be a person."
|"Please confirm, A-9."
|"Confirmed. Object is a man in a buisness suit. Should I try to arrest
|him, or issue a ticket, Control?"
|"I doubt he has a license plate on his suit, A-9. Follow and issue ticket
|upon his landing."
|"Sorry, Control, but he's outrunning my Wasp."

ROTFL

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|Principal subjects in:- | "THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!! |
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Message no. 25
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:49:42 -0500
Damn, hit send too quickly... Sorry about leaving the old message attached
to my reply to Nightblade...:(

Oops...

Self-THWAP!

Steve
Message no. 26
From: Brian Angliss <angliss@*****.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:40:52 -0700
On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Sascha Pabst wrote:

> Hm, I understood the meeting with the astral persona...?
>
> Sascha

Nope, he actually flew physically. :)

Brian
Message no. 27
From: Justin Fang <justinf@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:54:06 -0800
Avenger wrote:
>In article <334569C1.5508@****.coco.cc.az.us>, Brion Wauters
><stu502@****.COCO.CC.AZ.US> writes
>>Avenger wrote:

>>> Cain

>>Sorry, but Caine got wacked by Velli during the first Maxim run.

>If Caine got wacked in the first Maxim run, who the hell contacted
>Thunda over Christmas? The plot logs say Cain... Now I'm confused,
>don't say there's another ghost running the shadows?

Probably "Cain" and "Caine" are two different people.

--
Justin Fang (justinf@****.caltech.edu)
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Message no. 28
From: Justin Fang <justinf@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:53:25 -0700
stephen wolfe wrote:

I already mentioned this in private email, but this bit needs to be said in
public.

>***** PRIVATE: John Smithson
> >>>>>[I have a picture i think that may fit one of the black mailers.

>*****InClude Picture: Man
>A Long haired Human Male croched over a keyboard.
>He is looking at the camera like he could here it move.

Actually I'm not sure how Wildthing could have gotten a picture and even if
he did, this one is wrong. After some thought, I've concluded the bit about
the picture has to be retconned out, though the rest of the post can stay.

--
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Message no. 29
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:49:04 -0700
Since I was in on this plotline since the beginning way back when, I
figured I'd throw in my two bits.

On Tue, 20 May 1997, Justin Fang wrote:

> stephen wolfe wrote:
>
> I already mentioned this in private email, but this bit needs to be said in
> public.

> >***** PRIVATE: John Smithson
> > >>>>>[I have a picture i think that may fit one of the black
mailers.
>
> >*****InClude Picture: Man
> >A Long haired Human Male croched over a keyboard.
> >He is looking at the camera like he could here it move.
>
> Actually I'm not sure how Wildthing could have gotten a picture and even if
> he did, this one is wrong. After some thought, I've concluded the bit about
> the picture has to be retconned out, though the rest of the post can stay.

This kind of thing rarely happens, but take note lest ye make the same
mistakes:

Don't release stuff to the list that will affect other characters without
their permission first. I mean, if one of the people who knows CEO Jason
R. Stormwind is the runner we all know and love (or hate) as Kor went and
made a public announcement of that, it might cause none too little grief
in the ShadowTk world, not that it hasn't threatened to leak out in the
past, nor that he's not been getting his share of grief lately. But the
point is, that sort of thing shouldn't get out without the permission of
Kor's owner, even though there probably is few or no people who read the
list that don't know this. Characters are played as though they don't
know.

If your character is to find out information that he doesn't already know,
ask what would be available given the means at your character's disposal
(is he a low grade matrix jockey, a world-class cat burglar, or a mage
that likes to walk through walls?). Don't make stuff up! The honest case
is that we have no character in the scenario that this picture could be
of--despite the extremely vague description--let alone a reasonable way in
which such a picture could have been taken. Nor did Wildthing's writer
ask us about how a picture could be taken, or a description of any of the
people involved.

Much as I am loathe to wield the dread weapon of retroactive continuity,
it has to be invoked in this case. Unless of course, Wildthing has
decided to give his employer a red herring, in which case, his writer
probably should have told us, first.

There is probably something about this in the new player's guide to
ShadowTk, and if not, there should be. Anybody know when the last time
that document was updated and whether or not it is accessible from
the webpage? August is just around the corner, so we should expect a
bunch of new people relatively soon.

--My two yen

Jeff
Message no. 30
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:59:19 +1200
>August is just around the corner, so we should expect a
>bunch of new people relatively soon.

Is this some sort of American thing? What happens in August?

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 31
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:28:03 +0100
|
|>August is just around the corner, so we should expect a
|>bunch of new people relatively soon.
|
|Is this some sort of American thing? What happens in August?

I know... Why august?
All the new students get on-line in Septemper or October....
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Message no. 32
From: Mark Imbriaco <mark@******.NET>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:59:44 -0400
On Wed, 21 May 1997, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:

|>August is just around the corner, so we should expect a
|>bunch of new people relatively soon.
|
|Is this some sort of American thing? What happens in August?

The fall semester at universities begins. Generally we get a pretty
large influx of people who have net access for the first time.

-mark
Message no. 33
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:15:04 +0100
In article <v01540b00afa892a52561@[139.80.126.65]>, Jaimie Nicholson
<jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ> rambled on endlessly about your
mail
>>August is just around the corner, so we should expect a
>>bunch of new people relatively soon.
>
>Is this some sort of American thing? What happens in August?

The same thing that happens in the UK in September, New school terms,
new influx of new fresh faced victims, erm, students. :)


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Message no. 34
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:14:15 +0100
In article <Pine.SGI.3.95.970520151439.17200A-100000@********.ugcs.calte
ch.edu>, Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU> rambled on endlessly about
your mail
<snip misuse of characters>

>There is probably something about this in the new player's guide to
>ShadowTk, and if not, there should be.

There is, but I'll add your comments to it as well :)

> Anybody know when the last time
>that document was updated

It was updated last week, and broken into smaller more relevant
documents to facilitate faster load times.

Because of a lack of feedback from this list, I haven't bothered posting
it since. It is available for reference, and I believe that some
newcomers do get pointed to it, though probably not as many as should.
In order to keep some concurrence with the list, I keep a copy of both
parts of the FAQ with it.

>and whether or not it is accessible from
>the webpage?

Not Mark's webpage no, but you can find it on mine.

http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk

(follow the links - they're pretty obvious.)

I won't post the correct address, because I use frames and the document
as I said, is broken into smaller faster loading documents,

>August is just around the corner, so we should expect a
>bunch of new people relatively soon.

Ah, yes, the new influx of Uni/College students.

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Message no. 35
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:16:41 -0800
On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Kristling Ravenwing wrote:

> Hello, guys-
> Just wondering, does the fiction lists reconize the Companaign races?

Which campaign? Which race? Since I don't have any campaigns, the
essential details would be helpful.

I myself was curious if the _ShadowRun Companion: Beyond the Shadows_
metahuman Variants were accepted fully now? There was mention of Dryads
in the Paranormals thread.

For those unfamiliar, they included:

Cyclops (Medeterranian one-eyed Trolls),
Koborokuru (Japanese Dwarves),
Fomori (Celtic Trolls),
Menehune (Hawaiian Dwarves),
Hobgoblins (Middle Eastern Orks),
Giants (Nordic Trolls),
Gnomes (Central European Dwarves),
Oni (Japanese Orks),
Wakyambi (African Elves),
Ogres (European Orks),
Minotaurs (Mediterranean Trolls),
Satyrs (Mediterranean Orks) and not to be confused with the Wild Satyrs
of the Paranormal Animals of Europe,
The Night Ones (European "Dark" Elves),
and Dryads ("Nature" Elves).

They have slightly different stats than their base metatypes usually a
little more for the better than worse, and they get a wonderful little
immediate "Hostile" reaction from all first contacts since they are so
rare they are basically considered freaks, even among most metahumans.

I have even gotten special permision from the list to use a race not even
in the cannon. I had an interesting idea for a Changeling character, and
thought FASA quite remiss in not actually creating one. So, after
explaining roughly what I had in mind (and in fact you will be hearing a
_lot_ more about it rather soon) and promising that I wouldn't let it get
out of hand (namely that you could put the entire world population of
Changelings in one room, keeping their abilities within reason, as well as
having some seriously _nasty_ drawbacks to their species), consensus was
that it would be okay. And, almost needless to say, that if people were
to find out that there exist a being that inherently shapeshift into
nearly any other human form (even if that form is limited to, for my
creation, one dictated by the desires of another) reaction on the most
part would be more than just "hostile."

So, brief us on what you're thinking and there probably won't be much
problem.

--Catch you later

Jeff
Message no. 36
From: Kristling Ravenwing <kristling@*******.CROSSWINDS.NET>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:14:20 -0500
> From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
> I myself was curious if the _ShadowRun Companion: Beyond the Shadows_
> metahuman Variants were accepted fully now? There was mention of Dryads
> in the Paranormals thread.
Those are what I meant, sorry I misspellled.
Message no. 37
From: Mark Imbriaco <perlhacker@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:27:07 -0800
>I myself was curious if the _ShadowRun Companion: Beyond the Shadows_
>metahuman Variants were accepted fully now? There was mention of
>Dryads in the Paranormals thread.

I think we need to allow the Companion Races -- it _is_
canon, even if it is _optional_ canon. It will make it
easier for new list-members to integrate with the list if
they know what's allowed. Simply saying: "The things in
the books." is the easy way to do that. Of course, with
the caveat that we are slow to incorporate new books to
give everyone who is going to a chance to pick up the book.

-Mark
Message no. 38
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:47:35 -0800
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Kristling Ravenwing wrote:

> > From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
> > I myself was curious if the _ShadowRun Companion: Beyond the Shadows_
> > metahuman Variants were accepted fully now? There was mention of Dryads
> > in the Paranormals thread.
> Those are what I meant, sorry I misspellled.


Well, since I can type 60wpm on a good day, here goes (for the SR
Companion impared).

_Dryads (Elf)_
Dryads are an all-female metavariant of elves characterized by an
average height of just more than 1 meter and hair color that appears to
change with the seasons of the area in which they live (for example, brown
or white in winter months, bright green in the summer, and various
oranges, reds, and yellows in the autumn months). All dryads have dark
brown eyes with no visible pupils.

No matter where they are born, all dryads migrate to forested or
wooded areas as soon as they are capable of traveling on their own--the
further away from the urban sprawl, the better. The longer they live in
these isolated areas, the more feral they become, in a voluntary
separation from society that includes speaking a language only other
dryads can understand. While scientific studies cannot pinpoint any
specific medical reason for it, dryads exhibit a Mild allergy to urban
areas, displaying all the physical and mental strains common to any
allergy sufferer whenever they travel away from their home. All known
dryads are shamans who follow a variation fo the Great Mother totem (see
pp. 152, _Awakenings_; pp. 149 _Germany Sourcebook_). The dryads call
their totem Father Tree, but the game stats are the same.

Dryads receive the standard elf racial modifications, with the
following exceptions: Mild allergy to urban areas, -1 Strength, -1 Body,
+3 Charisma bonus, and a limited version of the Edge Animal Empathy (this
Edge does not need to be balanced by a Flaw, (see pp. 30). For dryads,
the Animal Empathy Edge only affects birds and small treeliving animals
like squirrels and chipmunks.

And on page 30:

Animal Empathy (Value: 2)

A character with the Animal Empathy Edge has an instinctive feel for
handling animals of all kinds. The characte receives a -1 target modifier
for all tests that involve influencing or controlling an animal (including
riding). Additionally, the character becomes reluctant to harm animals.
Animal Empathy does not affect a character's interaction with sentient
creature such as dragons.

________________

Hope that helps. One side note, though. If Dryads are only able to speak
this weird language that only they know, how are we suppose to know that
they have the totem of Father Tree? Okay there are plausible
explanations, but I thought that that sounded a bit inconsistant.

With the drawbacks and rarity in mind as much as the bonuses, I have no
problem with Dryads.

--Catch you later

Jeff
Message no. 39
From: Frank Pelletier <jeanpell@****.IVIC.QC.CA>
Subject: Re: Your mail
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:40:11 +0000
Kristling Ravenwing <kristling@*******.CROSSWINDS.NET> once wrote,

(snipped the post)

Well, for starters, it's "The Wanderer"...spell it right...


Other than that, looks cool to me... but if you intend to tie things up
more with Mike's plotline, I'd suggest you Email him first with your
suggestions..then work from there....

Trinity
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Message no. 40
From: Kristling Ravenwing <kristling@*******.CROSSWINDS.NET>
Subject: Re: Your mail
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:44:49 -0500
> From: Frank Pelletier <jeanpell@****.IVIC.QC.CA>
> Kristling Ravenwing <kristling@*******.CROSSWINDS.NET> once wrote,
>
> (snipped the post)
>
> Well, for starters, it's "The Wanderer"...spell it right...
>
>
> Other than that, looks cool to me... but if you intend to tie things up
> more with Mike's plotline, I'd suggest you Email him first with your
> suggestions..then work from there....
>
Naw, just a quickie to sorta show the effects of having something like the
matrix.

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