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From: Francois 'Fu' Uldry <ULDRY@***.UNIGE.CH>
Subject: Re: tibet thread.
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:36:56 WET-DST
< sorry about this format, but my VMS mail reader is really screwed up
< and does not put a > in the beginning of each lines, so I'll put a <
< to tell us that i am replying, sorry 'bout the preceding message. I hate
< that f* mailer !!! I thought it would not send an empty one... but it did
< it...

Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 16:29:28 -0700
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: reply to nightfox about tibet thread...

[SNIP]
[my message snipped]
I personally would stay away from horror plotting atleast until after
Harlequin's back comes out - the description in the module and what can happen
will have a big effect on how people view horrors

< Right, I agree with you... So sneaky will plot his expedition 'till we'll know
< what harlequin's back will contain.

remember - most people are not yet aware of bugs, let alone Horrors which no-one
has discovered as of yet. Secondly - the older Elves and people seem to want to
keep the info about things like this hidden for a time (Harlequin said he might
have to kill Dunklezahn if he spoke up too much).

< most people are not aware of bugs ???
< with the UB illegal due to some experiments in the Barrens ???
< how was double exposure implemented here ???

As to going to tibet - that in itself would be hard and would require a lot of
planning. There will be no roads. The weather is probably worse around the
barrier because of magical flux. How would you prepare for the enviroment?
Can you speak the language - and is the even a readily accessable lingau-soft
for the various languages on your way (sure japanesse is easy to get, but what
about all those Chinesse tongues and such?)

< hey, i am a shaman !!! you know a bloody magician !
< first spell : detection type. Effect to look in the mind of the mind who is
< speaking to know what he wants to say... Is this possible ?
< to do it the other way : cast it on the guy in front of you... Then you
< will be able to talk to anyone !!! You won't speak to him directly, but you
< will understand what he is talking about (and he will too und. what you're
< saying... but if you disagree with my spell, i will try to make another
< which will do the same differently... ;)

Coming back - what would you say? would what you say be proved wrong later?
We have had this problem before with Germany - It used to be Imperial Germany,
now it suddenly was erased and became the German Free States (or whatever).
< Where is the problem ??? The important is to have fun, no ???
< And all I was asking was rumors ... I need that for my campaignn, sorry
< to use the ressources i have access to...

[SNIP]

Also - as to why I am so against it - I don't know, it just struck me as
something that should not be attempted for a bit.
(hmmm - maybe the tibetan's a have a spell that makes people forget about them
and not be curious!!!! ) :)

< right, why not ??? (*shudder* frightening idea, no ?)
< but then the players will know part of the truth, even if the characters don't
< know it... moreover, a mind probe will break through no ?

>Just a little bit annoyed by your aggressivity,

sorry about that, sometimes things don't come across properly.

My biggest suggestion would be to atleast wait untill the smoke clears from
the dante plot - there is a good possibilty of plots that start now falling by
the way side in its wake. (sort of the way things disappeared during the
Monica/Core Wars plot. - man do I FEEL OLD!!)

< Can you explain me privately the Dante plot from the beginning, please ?
< snake is very curious but his part of the story happened while he was
< looking somewhere else ... ;)
Nightfox

[.sig deleted, this .sig is too long too... ;) (no aggressivity, just kidding]

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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:45:20 -0400
From: MAGECK <JVXNSYA@***.BITNET>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Formating

One problem Phelan, there ARE two spaces after a Period.
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JVXNSYA@***.grove.iup.edu |
Many deny our existence |We are not just in Tales
And some think we might be there |But we are here
Few truly believe |We are the SIDHE
Reconsider your thoughts |Do not deny
Cause you may be |We are the SIDHE
With one of us right now |
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< Hey Adam !!!
< One line of message for 11 lines of .sig !!!
< Where are we going to... Next message from me will contain 1 line of message,
< the complete digest of the day before and 150 lines of .sig, OK ?
< [just kidding... no thwap or flame please]

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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:59:35 CDT
From: Autonomous Zone <thak@******.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tibet thread !

About Earthdawn Horrors in Shadowrun...

Our group has had a bit of fun speculation about this, but we've basically
come to the conclusion that it's going to be a while -- a long long while
before Horrors, real horrors, not piddly stuff like invae and wraiths, show
up. There just isn't enough mana around to let them start crawling in yet,

< I remember to have read somewhere that the wraiths were the first ones to
< come after the Invae... Next we will have the mindless one who destroy
< for the fun of it... then we will have the real one... but then we will
< be for some time in kaers...

and it's going to take a while for such mana to accumulate. Looking at how
mana-rich earthdawn is, with all the talents, blood magic, passions, etc, the
world of shadowrun just doesn't compare yet. Granted, there's folx in the

< If I remember correctly, the world of ED is a 'low' mana one !!!
< just above the axis on the sinusoidal chart... ;)

shadowrun universe that have an inkling of what's coming, but if they know
that much they probably know they've got awhile to prepare for it, and that
shutting themselves off now is probably not a good idea...yet. There's still
so much to be done in preparation. So i don't buy the idea that Tibet closed
itself off in kaers already, altho i can see themselves becoming seclusive
and getting ready...

< I don't buy it too... But it could be an interesting plot-idea... too, no ?

What do others think? How long before the next Scourge? Harlequin doesn't
seem to be too worried about it, yet...

< 3 or 4 months real life ;)

Sprite

[ .sig snipped, this time the message was longer than the sig !!!
Well done Sprite ! ;) ]

< here we are... sprite, you have some good ideas too i think..., but for
< me the sealing of tibet could be a restoration of the old religion (in
< the middle of the 19th cent. when the brits were in india... they tried
< to invade the tibet... and the result was tibet's inclusion in China
< then tibet reclaimed its independance to lose it in the beginning of the
< 50s... Moreover, before I started to prepare the run on Tibet I always
< thought that they were intelligent guys... not occidental style guys...
< you see ? no wars, bhuddism, etc... I discovered the story of a nation
< of primitive screwheads, with warlords, petty scheming for power,
< assassination (the regent was in power 'til the lama's majority, so if
< he didn't attain majority, his successor a newborn baby born at the time
< of death of the precedent lama was chosen... etc...)
< You see, I got some ideas... maybe there is a kaer, not yet open but
< breached somewhere high in the mountains... but i don't think shadowrun
< is a dungeon exploration game... so i won't do that... but if there is
< a veil, with a complete interesting civilisation living inside in autarcy
< (sp? I got no dictionnary here). It could givean interesting story...
< let's continue the discussion...
< I read PLOT-D in digest mode... 'til now... I will pass in standard mode
< so i could answer faster...
< 'till later !
< Fu

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