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From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Trace Back
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 20:50:53 EST
GKoth2258@***.com writes:
> fool proof method of creating an untrace-able link. Trace IC can follow back
> a sat link (although there are hellish mods if I recall [decking isn't my
> strong suit]). My problem is with J&G's "SIGNAL ORIGIN CORRUPTED" and
other
> such crap. Here's why.

I'm still in the process of reading this post, but this is mostly just a
plot device to let everyone know that J&G are currently out of Seattle
(New Orleans right now, je pense)

> First of all, I firmly believe that if only expert deckers can alter their TD
> stamp, then only the very best of the best could hope to alter how their
> signal path.

Nah, shouldn't be too hard. Just make sure it goes through one of your
own nodes, or is tackled by one of your own peices of IC before it reaches
the target node.

Not to mention, by the appearences of the Srun universe, you should be
to include code in your messages: Just trigger it at the latest possible
moment and munge the hell out of your source path... =)


> You can play all sorts of games with the routing, like run
> through a dozen SANS and through a satellite, but it should still be possible
> to at least find the last SAN it went through. A sat link _has_ to come to
> ground somewhere, right? However, it is my impression that J&Gs nonsense
> doesn't even allow that. And there is no way on God's Green Earth that those
> two are anywhere near expert enough to even pull those stunts on their own.

Damn straight. Thats why they don't. Like I've said: They aren't
deckers. They're combat deckers. They're marginally good programmers
(could get their asses kicked by a normal decker if it came to running
naked), they have a _lot_ of rudimentry knowledge (they can talk
intelligently about a lot, but they can't do most of it). But who does the
goods: SI. (Well, not really, but SI is CENTRALLY responsible).

As to HOW it's done: SI has a very healthy and active EC unit
(DeltaCore). They are doing a Lot of Very Strange Things. But on a really
small scale (like munching the insides out of a lot of Ma and Pa systems,
and the like -- nothing noticable, and nothing to anyone who _would_
notice).

Since they own/have-access-to lots of these little systems, all they do
is route. Big Time. Bounce the message around for four or five minutes,
making sure to remove all trace information. Then give it a whack of
totally useless/corrupted routing info and send it to Sland.


> Second, while the sysops of SLand might occassionally have fits about users
> having multilpe aliases, I feel pretty damn sure that they would be in
> hysterics about messages that just "pop" up out of nowhere. Everything has
> to come from SOMEWHERE, and if mail and files and whatnot just "poof!"
appear
> out of no where, I know I'm going to be a bit worried.

We're talking Shadowland. Why would the sysops worry? They're running
this for fun (as far as I can tell from the sourcebooks). No damage is
being done to Sland, so why bother?

> Some other mechanism has to be at work, and I think it is something that is
> out of the league of everyone but the Big 8 and the top .05 percent of the
> world's shadowrunners. And there is no way in hell, despite Mr. Hughes' and
> J&Gs protestations otherwise, that they are capable of pulling this off.

Uh. No. I'm not a munchkin (usually). As everyone says: J&G have corp
backing. Just because my characters say or do something, doesn't mean I
beleive it. *grin* Which is a good thing, 'cause I've had some pretty
gross characters... =)


> If you want to take this as a personal attack Mr. Hughes, fine, take it that
> way.

*grin* If you want it to be, I will. Otherwise, I'll take your word. =)

> I'm more concerned about making sure EVERYONE here plays on the same
> field, with the same equipment.

Heheh. Sorry. SI has a shit-load of resources (stuff should be
happening this summer to make clear how and why -- this of course depends
on my summer job situation... =)



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