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From: Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Info wanted...
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:23:59 MST
Hey... you misedited your post.

Thought I would point it out.... In particular, if the posts to
Death and Midnight were to be separate, you failed to end the post to
Death.

Also, I'm going to have to print out your note to be able to respond
to it, which means that I won't get to it until Monday (at the
earliest).

It seems to me, that it is more likely that I misinterpreted your
post. What it said to me, is that you are labeling Abraham and others
who may not have normal views that society (SIN-based) fear as Morally
Challenged. Therefore, I had both Death and Midnight (in their own
ways) feel that it was implied to a much larger audience than just
Abraham. You have to be really careful when you make those
statements. Most countries' citizens consider all Shadowrunners to be
nutcases. After all, why would anyone want to have to live their
whole life being in true, easy to see, danger of being snuffed out.
Better to live in a shell and be decently safe.

----
*gets on weak soapbox*

There is a trend on shadowtk that I particularly dislike. Sentinel,
the Wanderer, Legion, and Nightmare (among others) were created
specifically because they don't fit the trend I am seeing. I don't
know why it is, but there seem to be a LOT of heroes on shadowtk that
tackle any noble cause that comes their way. Even the assassins (for
instance the whole horse episode). Most of the characters are
enlightened about the whole race issue and treat just as if it was a
skin color or sex preference matter (in other words, that it just
doesn't matter what their race is).

But wait a second.... most runners aren't that highly educated, and
don't come from rich, enlightened backgrounds. Most runners grew up
near or on the streets. That kind of life doesn't tend to give people
a pleasant view on people that are different (in any way).
Considering the amount of 1980s and 1990s references and the general
attitudes, I think shadowtk is one of the most skewed representations
of what shadowrunners are like. There is a reason that Johnsons
normally screw runners and that is because most runners deserve it.
Most runners are sleazes that don't deserve an ounce of respect, let
alone be treated fairly by normal society. A lot of runners stand out
like sore-thumbs to normal society because they flaunt their
differences instead of trying to blend in. They bargain (as was
pointed out in a Shadowrun source book (Fields of Fire)) by
intimidating the Johnson. That doesn't do anything for respect.

It has been a long time since I have seen a true representation of
what runners are like. The Wanderer is probably the closest example
in my characters. Ratspeak is another good example of it.

The only way that I understand the trend here is that players are
supposed to be the shining stars of the Shadows, and that the rest of
the shadows are an extremely unprofessional lot, as likely to help
each other as to sell them out.

Which leads me to something I alluded to earlier this week. I was
under the impression that Shadowtk was NOT Shadowland (back when I
joined which was almost 4 years ago), and thus we can say it is as
hard or easy to get to as the general consensus on plot-d likes. I
think it is time to make it harder to get to. Make it so that only
decent deckers (and their friends) can get to Shadowtk. At least in
that way, it would fit the type of characters that tend to post here.
Most of the characters are enlightened people who are generally a cut
above the typical shadowrunner. I think it is time that the
difficulty of getting to shadowtk reflected that.

*gets off soapbox as it collapses from the rot that set in 2 years ago*

Mike


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Subject: Re: Info wanted...
Author: Shadowrun Interactive Fiction <SHADOWTK@********.ITRIBE.NET> at SMTP-PO
Date: 3/28/97 6:31 PM


>>>>>[Well, "Death" I sort of agree with you, and sort of don't.
As
for when in time... Well, some of us on the streets have morals, there
are things we simply will not do. Killing women and children, killing
innocents, killing in general for the sake of it, and other such things.

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