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From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 02:29:15 +0100
In article <v01540b03b1ec0058155c@[139.80.126.134]>, Jaimie Nicholson
<jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ> writes

>That's just stupid... why not just smoke less, which will both stretch
>supply, and give a milder hit? I don't understand this at all.

This is the UK, you live in the US, there are differences between the
people as well as the geographical location. Brits aren't labelled as
odd, just because they come from England. :)

>>night." Creating more addicts and income for the pusher and his
>>supplier. Ultimately though as with *any* drug abuse, only ruin and
>>ill-health can result.
>
>Hmmm... a knee jerk moralist reaction, perhaps?

Hardly. If you want to see a knee jerk moralist reaction, ask a friend
of mine who lost his brother to heroin - then you'll see a knee jerk
reaction (at length)

>Drug use can also lead to a
>happier life.

Debatable. Very debatable. I would be interested in how you arrive at
that conclusion unless you are also bringing medicinal use of approved
pharmaceuticals into the concept.

Abuse in my opinion is any form where it becomes a habit as opposed to
once in a blue moon. Smoking cigarettes is just as much a drug habit as
someone who shoots up on Heroin, and just as destructive, only in a
different time span.

>Depends where you draw the line between use and abuse, I
>guess. I would draw it at the point where the user can no longer hold a
>job/go to school/function in society. Others are less liberal.

I would consider myself less liberal. It is possible to be a confirmed
and acknowledged (self or legal) addict to something like Cocaine, yet
still hold down a job - that is still abuse in my opinion. Abuse of the
law, abuse of the body, as well as stupid. There is currently a scare
running through the media here in the UK at the moment, with another
heroin plague about to hit school kids, there have been instances of 10
years and up using and being addicted to the stuff. There is no "line"
between use and abuse with substances like Heroin. Canabis, well, it is
essentially an "innocent" drug as a relaxant, so I would not label a
smoker of grass/resin as an abuser unless they were smoking non-stop
from dawn till dusk. I draw lines at the drug itself, not how
frequently it's used.

With hard drugs there is no such thing as moderation, the body makes the
demands, it sets the levels of up and down, and the craving must be
answered.

>But debating drugs is hardly why plotd was conceived.

Well no that's true, though it does have some relevance to
Shadowrun/Cyberpunk in general.

>Feel free to let this
>drop if you no longer care.

I don't particularly. So consider it dropped. :)

--
Avenger
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(UK Survival Guide, SR Guide to the Oceans.)

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