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Message no. 1
From: Vesa-Matti Sarenius <sarenius@****.STUDENT.OULU.FI>
Subject: A couple of questions
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:19:35 +0200
Does runners on retainer make objective blocked if I choose to defend it
with my runners? can I use my runners (in above situation) if objective is
already blocked?

Can I use Sleep for an objective (like Cleanse the Hive) or just for the
awakened challenges?

Can I use Recon on my opponent's turn (the rules booklet says both)?

Where can I found the Index for the rule-booklet (I know it exists, I have
seen it...)?

Thankya.




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Message no. 2
From: Mamoulian <shine@************.NET>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:13:07 -0700
At 06:19 PM 12/1/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Does runners on retainer make objective blocked if I choose to defend it
>with my runners? can I use my runners (in above situation) if objective is
>already blocked?

By blocked I am assuming you mean defended. If not...I don't think I
understand what you mean. It is spelled out on page 71 of the rules.
Whether you choose to use your runners or the card stats I don't believe
effects whether the objective is defended or not.
>
>Can I use Sleep for an objective (like Cleanse the Hive) or just for the
>awakened challenges?

The card reads against challenges, not objectives.......I know... I was
using this against cleanse the hive very effectivly until it was posted to
the list.
>
>Can I use Recon on my opponent's turn (the rules booklet says both)?

>If your runner is unturned.
Message no. 3
From: A tale of 2 Joes <calador@*******.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:55:44 -0800
> >Can I use Sleep for an objective (like Cleanse the Hive) or just for the
> >awakened challenges?
>
> The card reads against challenges, not objectives.......I know... I was
> using this against cleanse the hive very effectivly until it was posted to
> the list.
> >

are we talking about using sleep against the challenges turned into bugs
on cleanse the hive or just on the queen bug herself? i was under the
impression that we could use stuff like sleep and invisibility to sleaze
past the challenges on the objective, but still have to fight the big
nasty at the end. why must i be wrong? - joe.
Message no. 4
From: Vesa-Matti Sarenius <sarenius@****.STUDENT.OULU.FI>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:36:39 +0200
>>Can I use Recon on my opponent's turn (the rules booklet says both)?
>
>>If your runner is unturned.

Hip!

On page 28 of the rules booklet:" A runner may use his special trait at any
time during the game"

On page 30:" The Recon trait allows Runner to turn to view one challenge
card during the Legwork phase of the runner's owner's turn."

Which should I believe??

Also one question arose yesterday:

Can you play Change of Plans if (in two player game) the other objective is
face down? My interpretation is that like the card says, the cards player
chooses the objective for the shadowrunning player's run, so if there is
only on objective face up, the Change of Plans would be a waste of money,
since the running player runs to the only legal objective anyway.

And another one:

Can I use Bulldog Van to make another run, if I did not get the first
objective?


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Message no. 5
From: Rob Harris <rjharris@********.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:00:21 -0600
Two things. First off this is talking about the special abilities of
runners, and not specific TRAITS. This means that you can use abilities
like Lord Torgo's elf popping ability at any time, but recon, gaurd, biotec
are TRAITS. You have to follow the specific rules for them.

> On page 28 of the rules booklet:" A runner may use his special trait at
any
> time during the game"
>
> On page 30:" The Recon trait allows Runner to turn to view one challenge
> card during the Legwork phase of the runner's owner's turn."
>
> Which should I believe??
>

This one is a LOT easier. Read the card - it states that you can only make
a second run after a SUCCESSFUL run! You must take the objective in the
first run in order to make another run using the Bulldog van. Hope that
helps!

> And another one:
>
> Can I use Bulldog Van to make another run, if I did not get the first
> objective?
Message no. 6
From: Rob Harris <rjharris@********.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:01:52 -0600
This is VERY well stated on the FASA FAQ. Sleep and other sleazer
spells/gear/traits only work on CHALLENGES. There is currently no way to
"sleaze" an objective combat. You MUST fight the creature at the end to
take the objective. Check out FASA's FAQ on their webpage. You were playing
it right all along!

Rob

> > >
>
> are we talking about using sleep against the challenges turned into bugs
> on cleanse the hive or just on the queen bug herself? i was under the
> impression that we could use stuff like sleep and invisibility to sleaze
> past the challenges on the objective, but still have to fight the big
> nasty at the end. why must i be wrong? - joe.
Message no. 7
From: Vesa-Matti Sarenius <sarenius@****.STUDENT.OULU.FI>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:11:12 +0200
>like Lord Torgo's elf popping ability at any time, but recon, gaurd, biotec
>are TRAITS. You have to follow the specific rules for them.

Which are:

>> On page 28 of the rules booklet:" A runner may use his special trait at
>any
>> time during the game"
>>
>> On page 30:" The Recon trait allows Runner to turn to view one challenge
>> card during the Legwork phase of the runner's owner's turn."
>>
>> Which should I believe??
>>

So I replay my question, which of the above statements is true? Recon is a
special trait and the statement from page 28 is about special traits. Also
I cannot use biotech in my opponents turn, right? So, why doesn't the
statement on page 28 apply to biotech also? So if biotech can be used only
on my Legwork phase, what help does it give to me on the run???


>This one is a LOT easier. Read the card - it states that you can only make
>a second run after a SUCCESSFUL run!

No it does not, the text is below:

Text
(A+1) to any unturned Runners in your Safehouse. Trash to allow a Runner
team that just finished a Shadowrun to go on another run immediately.

So this text does not speak anything about SUCCESSFUL run, just finished
run. So is a run finished if it is not successful?

>> And another one:
>>
>> Can I use Bulldog Van to make another run, if I did not get the first
>> objective?

More annoying questions:

Is it true that Media Chick cannot make your reputation more negative than
it is? So if I have -10 REP and ask media chick to tell amazing stories of
my team, if I successfully finnish a shadowrun and when I don't my
reputation stays at -10. I think it is so and the rules booklet thinks too
(in page 61). This makes media chick a good help!


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Message no. 8
From: Nemein <nemein@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 06:10:29 -0800
---Vesa-Matti Sarenius <sarenius@****.STUDENT.OULU.FI> wrote:
>
> On page 28 of the rules booklet:" A runner may use his special trait
> at any time during the game"
>
> On page 30:" The Recon trait allows Runner to turn to view one
> challenge card during the Legwork phase of the runner's owner's turn."
>
> Which should I believe??
>

With this first one being a more "generic" rule covering all traits
and the 2nd being more applicable to Recon, I would say go with the
2nd rule. After all there are exceptions to every rule ;-)


> Also one question arose yesterday:
>
> Can you play Change of Plans if (in two player game) the other
> objective is face down? My interpretation is that like the card says,
> the cards player chooses the objective for the shadowrunning player's
> run, so if there is only on objective face up, the Change of Plans
> would be a waste of money, since the running player runs to the only
> legal objective anyway.
>

You are correct. Only face up objectives can be "targeted".


> And another one:
>
> Can I use Bulldog Van to make another run, if I did not get the first
> objective?
>

Yep :-)

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Message no. 9
From: Jyster !!! <jyster007@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:19:15 PST
>
>>like Lord Torgo's elf popping ability at any time, but recon, gaurd,
biotec
>>are TRAITS. You have to follow the specific rules for them.
>
>Which are:
>
>>> On page 28 of the rules booklet:" A runner may use his special trait
at
>>any
>>> time during the game"
>>>
>>> On page 30:" The Recon trait allows Runner to turn to view one
challenge
>>> card during the Legwork phase of the runner's owner's turn."
>>>
>>> Which should I believe??
>>>
>So I replay my question, which of the above statements is true? Recon
is a
>special trait and the statement from page 28 is about special traits.
Also
>I cannot use biotech in my opponents turn, right? So, why doesn't the
>statement on page 28 apply to biotech also? So if biotech can be used
only
>on my Legwork phase, what help does it give to me on the run???


Whats so hard about this question. It says that recon can be used
on your legwork phase only. Nuff said!! Plus FASA said the same
thing about only during your legwork phase.


>
>>This one is a LOT easier. Read the card - it states that you can only
make
>>a second run after a SUCCESSFUL run!
>
>No it does not, the text is below:
>
>Text
>(A+1) to any unturned Runners in your Safehouse. Trash to allow a
Runner
>team that just finished a Shadowrun to go on another run immediately.
>
>So this text does not speak anything about SUCCESSFUL run, just
finished
>run. So is a run finished if it is not successful?
>
>>> And another one:
>>>
>>> Can I use Bulldog Van to make another run, if I did not get the
first
>>> objective?


Hey why the @!%$ are you making it alot harder on yourself, stop
thinking like magic and start thing about the game in a more simpler
way. Yes you can use bulldog van even if you get your butt kicked
and fail the run.


>More annoying questions:
>
>Is it true that Media Chick cannot make your reputation more negative
than
>it is? So if I have -10 REP and ask media chick to tell amazing stories
of
>my team, if I successfully finnish a shadowrun and when I don't my
>reputation stays at -10. I think it is so and the rules booklet thinks
too
>(in page 61). This makes media chick a good help!
>


Yes. It says only negative once! Stop being a rules lawyer!!!


>Vesa-Matti Sarenius * - Am I a man or what? - A What!*
>mailto:sarenius@*******.oulu.fi * - What? - Yes, that's right! *
>Koskitie 47 A6 FIN-90500 OULU * * * * *
>http://www.student.oulu.fi/~sarenius * * * * * * * * * * hmmmm! *
>Finland, Europe. Tel. +358-8-342236 fax.+358-8-5305045. * * * * * *
>



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Message no. 10
From: "Bourgault, Patrick" <pbourgau@***.CA>
Subject: A couple of questions...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:48:00 PDT
What is "voluntary pull out of a SR" means ?? I know you can voluntarily
stop the run in the middle of it, but what about Invisibility, Wild Goose
Chase, GAQS and the likes ?? Yesterday, I had a team with a mage with
Invisibility. To save my team, I used the spell so the rest of the team
came back to the safehouse. Knowing that my mage wasn't strong enough to
finish the run, I pulled him out after the challenge. My opponent had a
Bounty Hunter and hit my mage (so far, so good), but could he use BH on
my other runners too ?? What if I had used WGC ??

In the same game, I played an All or Nothing card so that nobody could
pulled out voluntarily of the current run. Could my opponent play a WGC
or GAQS on his team to bring them home ?? If so, it's an easy way to
avoid trouble.
Message no. 11
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:20:14 +0000
> What is "voluntary pull out of a SR" means ?? I know you can voluntarily
> Bounty Hunter and hit my mage (so far, so good), but could he use BH on
> my other runners too ?? What if I had used WGC ??

Bounty Hunter does not have the word "voluntary" in it, so I'd say
Yes, he can nail everyone that failed to take the objective.

> In the same game, I played an All or Nothing card so that nobody could
> pulled out voluntarily of the current run. Could my opponent play a WGC
> or GAQS on his team to bring them home ?? If so, it's an easy way to
> avoid trouble.

Yes he can. And since he has to pay and play, it isn't all that
easy. Especially if he has to GAQ each and every runner. (Not
everyone has WGC)

-=SwiftOne=-
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 12
From: Pedro Gomes <Pedro.Gomes@**.SIEMENS.PT>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:06:27 +0100
Bourgault, Patrick wrote:
>
> What is "voluntary pull out of a SR" means ?? I know you can voluntarily
> stop the run in the middle of it, but what about Invisibility, Wild Goose
> Chase, GAQS and the likes ?? Yesterday, I had a team with a mage with
> Invisibility. To save my team, I used the spell so the rest of the team
> came back to the safehouse. Knowing that my mage wasn't strong enough to
> finish the run, I pulled him out after the challenge. My opponent had a
> Bounty Hunter and hit my mage (so far, so good), but could he use BH on
> my other runners too ?? What if I had used WGC ??

Voluntarily pull out, IMO is when between challenges you decide not to continue
with the run. Now for the Bounty Hunter, yes he can hit all your runners, in the
card text it is not specified that they must pull out voluntarily, it's only
pull out. the same goes to WGC.

> In the same game, I played an All or Nothing card so that nobody could
> pulled out voluntarily of the current run. Could my opponent play a WGC
> or GAQS on his team to bring them home ?? If so, it's an easy way to
> avoid trouble.

IMO yes, because they did not pull out on their own they were pulled out by
another card.

This is only my opinion and the way we play in my group. Any one with a
different opinion feel free to share it.

Pedro Gomes

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Message no. 13
From: "Bourgault, Patrick" <pbourgau@***.CA>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:19:00 PDT
>> What is "voluntary pull out of a SR" means ?? I know you can
voluntarily
>> Bounty Hunter and hit my mage (so far, so good), but could he use BH
>on
>> my other runners too ?? What if I had used WGC ??
>
>Bounty Hunter does not have the word "voluntary" in it, so I'd say
>Yes, he can nail everyone that failed to take the objective.
>

What if my mage with Invisibility successfully take the Objective. Can
BH still be used against the other runners ??
Message no. 14
From: Pedro Gomes <Pedro.Gomes@**.SIEMENS.PT>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:41:14 +0100
Bourgault, Patrick wrote:
> >Bounty Hunter does not have the word "voluntary" in it, so I'd say
> >Yes, he can nail everyone that failed to take the objective.
> >
>
> What if my mage with Invisibility successfully take the Objective. Can
> BH still be used against the other runners ??

IMO Yes, the others pulled out, didn't they?

Pedro Gomes

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Message no. 15
From: Tony Glinka <porthos@****.COM>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:02:42 -0700
Bourgault, Patrick wrote:

> What is "voluntary pull out of a SR" means ?? I know you can voluntarily
> stop the run in the middle of it, but what about Invisibility, Wild Goose
> Chase, GAQS and the likes ?? Yesterday, I had a team with a mage with
> Invisibility. To save my team, I used the spell so the rest of the team
> came back to the safehouse. Knowing that my mage wasn't strong enough to
> finish the run, I pulled him out after the challenge. My opponent had a
> Bounty Hunter and hit my mage (so far, so good), but could he use BH on
> my other runners too ?? What if I had used WGC ??

From the SRTCG Q&A:Bounty Hunter
Q1: Can you use Bounty Hunter whenever a runner leaves a run, for whatever
reason? Barney Phyffe, Green Apple, or even if they just fall into the Nets
or can't get past the Maglock?
A1: Bounty Hunter can be used whenever a Runner pulls out of a run (for any
reason) before taking the Objective.

Because your runners didn't take the objective they are fair game for the
bounty hunter.


> In the same game, I played an All or Nothing card so that nobody could
> pulled out voluntarily of the current run. Could my opponent play a WGC
> or GAQS on his team to bring them home ?? If so, it's an easy way to
> avoid trouble.

I would say this is possible. Your runners are not pulling out by their own
will, so much as getting sent home.

Tony
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