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Message no. 1
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Another card idea
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:08:05 -0800
One of the cards in Underworld reminded me of a card idea Tony and I
came up with during a game the other week.

Here's two ways I thought of handling the card:

Monorail Pass (Stinger)
Deployment: 1 nu yen
Play on target location. Owner of Monorail Pass may visit or use
target Location until the end of the turn.

Monorail Station (Location)
Deployment: 5 nu yen
1 nu yen: Owner of monorail station may use or visit an opponents'
Location.

What do you think?

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Message no. 2
From: Jon Edwards <jonathan.edwards@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Another card idea
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:14:47 -0800
<snip>
>Monorail Pass (Stinger)
>Deployment: 1 nu yen
>Play on target location. Owner of Monorail Pass may visit or use
>target Location until the end of the turn.

>Monorail Station (Location)
>Deployment: 5 nu yen
>1 nu yen: Owner of monorail station may use or visit an opponents'
>Location.
<snip>

This is a question in regard to current locations. Are all locations only
accessible to the owner of those locations, or can other players' runners
visit certain locations (i.e., can Player A send Glitz as a virgin
sacrifice to Player B's Aztecnology to kill Player C's Torgo?)
If that isn't too muddled (I'm tired, so sue me... ;-), any input would be
appreciated.

Thanks,
Jon
Message no. 3
From: "Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)" <dirkkenn@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Another card idea
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:15:23 -0800
Loki wrote:
>
> One of the cards in Underworld reminded me of a card idea Tony and I
> came up with during a game the other week.
>
> Here's two ways I thought of handling the card:
>
> Monorail Pass (Stinger)
> Deployment: 1 nu yen
> Play on target location. Owner of Monorail Pass may visit or use
> target Location until the end of the turn.
>
> Monorail Station (Location)
> Deployment: 5 nu yen
> 1 nu yen: Owner of monorail station may use or visit an opponents'
> Location.
>
> What do you think?
>
> -== Loki ==-Great idea. How about the monorail pass being misc. gear that the owner
can use to visit a location with the cost of 1Y per use?

Just a thought that combines the two ideas.

Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)
Message no. 4
From: "Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)" <dirkkenn@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Another card idea
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:21:20 -0800
Jon Edwards wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >Monorail Pass (Stinger)
> >Deployment: 1 nu yen
> >Play on target location. Owner of Monorail Pass may visit or use
> >target Location until the end of the turn.
>
> >Monorail Station (Location)
> >Deployment: 5 nu yen
> >1 nu yen: Owner of monorail station may use or visit an opponents'
> >Location.
> <snip>
>
> This is a question in regard to current locations. Are all locations only
> accessible to the owner of those locations, or can other players' runners
> visit certain locations (i.e., can Player A send Glitz as a virgin
> sacrifice to Player B's Aztecnology to kill Player C's Torgo?)
> If that isn't too muddled (I'm tired, so sue me... ;-), any input would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> JonI think that aztechnology is an exception to the rule. I believe that in
MOST instances, only the owner of the location can send his/her runners
to it.

Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)
Message no. 5
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Another card idea
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:29:40 -0800
>Jon Edwards wrote:
>> This is a question in regard to current locations. Are all locations only
>> accessible to the owner of those locations, or can other players' runners
>> visit certain locations (i.e., can Player A send Glitz as a virgin
>> sacrifice to Player B's Aztecnology to kill Player C's Torgo?)
>> If that isn't too muddled (I'm tired, so sue me... ;-), any input would be
>> appreciated.

Ken Dirk (DrugDoc) wrote:
>I think that aztechnology is an exception to the rule. I believe that in
>MOST instances, only the owner of the location can send his/her runners
>to it.

Any player may use Saeder-Krupp, too. In addition, all players are
affected by Ares Macrotechnology and Renraku once they are in play. All
others can only be used by the owner.

David
Message no. 6
From: Quicksilver <qwksilvr@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Another card idea
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:05:44 -0600
At 02:29 PM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>Jon Edwards wrote:
>>> This is a question in regard to current locations. Are all locations only
>>> accessible to the owner of those locations, or can other players' runners
>>> visit certain locations (i.e., can Player A send Glitz as a virgin
>>> sacrifice to Player B's Aztecnology to kill Player C's Torgo?)
>>> If that isn't too muddled (I'm tired, so sue me... ;-), any input would be
>>> appreciated.
>
>Ken Dirk (DrugDoc) wrote:
>>I think that aztechnology is an exception to the rule. I believe that in
>>MOST instances, only the owner of the location can send his/her runners
>>to it.
>
>Any player may use Saeder-Krupp, too. In addition, all players are
>affected by Ares Macrotechnology and Renraku once they are in play. All
>others can only be used by the owner.

I was under the impression that any player could 'visit' or use any HQ card.

Hg
....an analog person, stuck, in a digital world
Message no. 7
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Another card idea
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:04:28 -0800
> One of the cards in Underworld

Hmmm, which one, I wonder?

> reminded me of a card idea Tony and I
> came up with during a game the other week.

> Here's two ways I thought of handling the card:

> Monorail Pass (Stinger)
> Deployment: 1 nu yen
> Play on target location. Owner of Monorail Pass may visit or use
> target Location until the end of the turn.

> Monorail Station (Location)
> Deployment: 5 nu yen
> 1 nu yen: Owner of monorail station may use or visit an opponents'
> Location.

Strangely enough (holy simultaneous invention, Batman!) there's a
similar card I had made up:

DODGE SCOOT / Gear (Vehicle) / 2Y
1Y: User may visit a second Location this turn.

This makes a funny combination with the Ancients HQ....

But how about redesigning the above two:

MONORAIL PASS / Gear (Miscellaneous) / 2Y
User may visit any Location with a Monorail Station played on it. After
each visit, roll D6 (1Y for +1 to roll): On a 5+, user may unturn and
visit a different Location.

MONORAIL STATION / Special / 0Y
Play on target Location. This Location may be visited by any Runner
using a Monorail Pass (regardless of who owns Location).

(This sort of simulates a Runner travelling inbound on a train.)

The one drawback I can think of is Troll Bouncer: Now you have a way to
pay back any "activation cost" it might cost to visit the Location --
your opponent won't want to visit because you score the yen; but the
opportunity to line your own pockets is there.


-Matt

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Message no. 8
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Another card idea
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:13:18 -0800
Ken Dirk (DrugDoc) wrote:
>>>I think that aztechnology is an exception to the rule. I believe that in
>>>MOST instances, only the owner of the location can send his/her runners
>>>to it.

I wrote:
>>Any player may use Saeder-Krupp, too. In addition, all players are
>>affected by Ares Macrotechnology and Renraku once they are in play. All
>>others can only be used by the owner.

Quicksilver wrote:
>I was under the impression that any player could 'visit' or use any HQ card.

The only other corporate HQ besides the ones I mentioned is Fuchi
Industries. The text on the card does not indicate one way or the other.
I assumed that unless it specifically said each player could use it, only
the owner could use it. Is it listed otherwise in a FAQ somewhere?

Just my .02Y

David
Message no. 9
From: Jon Palmer <jmp225@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Another card idea
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:50:16 -0500
>One of the cards in Underworld reminded me of a card idea Tony and I
>came up with during a game the other week.
>
>Here's two ways I thought of handling the card:
>
>Monorail Pass (Stinger)
>Deployment: 1 nu yen
>Play on target location. Owner of Monorail Pass may visit or use
>target Location until the end of the turn.
>
>Monorail Station (Location)
>Deployment: 5 nu yen
>1 nu yen: Owner of monorail station may use or visit an opponents'
>Location.
>
>What do you think?

I like the 2nd one... considering how cool a couple of the locations are
(esp. Fuchi Industries) and how much you can surprise your opponents
(Z-Zone) it'd rock to be able to use them.

Jon Palmer
Message no. 10
From: ">>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<<" <axlrose@**********.COM>
Subject: Another card idea...
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:05:07 -0500
Child Support - Special (Stinger)
Cost: 5 Nuyen
Text: "Play on male target runner without the anti-social or hermit trait.
Target runner must pay 1 Nuyen upkeep a turn or be arrested. If arrested,
return target runner to owner's hand while trashing gear."
Picture: Similar to how Fastjack is hidden in the shadows - perhaps a
blonde haired woman (not exactly seen) holding out a blanket wrapped bundle
towards the viewer.
Text: "He has his daddy's eyes....."

Comments?
>>>>>Axlrose - ...<<<<<
Message no. 11
From: Oliver Morris <oliver_morris@*****.MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Another card idea...
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:15:39 -0000
Axlrose wrote:

>Child Support - Special (Stinger)

<SNIP>
>Text: "He has his daddy's eyes....."
>
>Comments?

I like it a lot.
'Specially as it happened to my runner in "real" Shadowrun.

Oliver
Message no. 12
From: Blade Hunter <bladehnt@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Another card idea...
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:26:53 -0500
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, >>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<< wrote:
> Child Support - Special (Stinger)
> Cost: 5 Nuyen
> Text: "Play on male target runner without the anti-social or hermit trait.
> Target runner must pay 1 Nuyen upkeep a turn or be arrested. If arrested,
> return target runner to owner's hand while trashing gear."
> Picture: Similar to how Fastjack is hidden in the shadows - perhaps a
> blonde haired woman (not exactly seen) holding out a blanket wrapped bundle
> towards the viewer.
> Text: "He has his daddy's eyes....."

Heheh. I can see that as a card, though change the baby's pict to a pig or
monster with bright blue eyes (or maybe a pict of Bob) and it'd fit nicely in
Illuminati: NWO! :> probably should be a normal (non-stinger) special
though.

but only misery can come with gender specific cards. Rage had a couple of
that kind of card... difficult to figure out what gender a wolfy is without a
faw. still don't know which gender Redline is, but most runners are fairly
obvious there (it's a good guess Foxy Roxy is female)

censoring his own lewd comments ;P~
-me.
bladehnt@*********.net
Message no. 13
From: Keldon Mor <Keldon@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Another card idea...
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:32:28 -0600
Hmm, if Innocent Bystander is played, trash child support eh?

Peace,
Keldon Mor
Keldon@********.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: >>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<<
<axlrose@**********.COM>
To: SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET <SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 3:16 PM
Subject: Another card idea...


>Child Support - Special (Stinger)
>Cost: 5 Nuyen
>Text: "Play on male target runner without the anti-social or hermit trait.
>Target runner must pay 1 Nuyen upkeep a turn or be arrested. If arrested,
>return target runner to owner's hand while trashing gear."
>Picture: Similar to how Fastjack is hidden in the shadows - perhaps a
>blonde haired woman (not exactly seen) holding out a blanket wrapped bundle
>towards the viewer.
>Text: "He has his daddy's eyes....."
>
>Comments?
>>>>>>Axlrose - ...<<<<<
>
Message no. 14
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Another card idea...
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:40:50 -0800
---">>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<<"
<axlrose@**********.COM> wrote:
>
> Child Support - Special (Stinger)
> Cost: 5 Nuyen
> Text: "Play on male target runner without the anti-social or hermit
trait.
> Target runner must pay 1 Nuyen upkeep a turn or be arrested. If
arrested,
> return target runner to owner's hand while trashing gear."
> Picture: Similar to how Fastjack is hidden in the shadows - perhaps a
> blonde haired woman (not exactly seen) holding out a blanket wrapped
bundle
> towards the viewer.
> Text: "He has his daddy's eyes....."

I like the idea alot. Only a few bugs I can see with it:

1. It should probably be a straight Special rather then a Stinger.

2. There really isn't any given sex designation for the runners. While
some are obvious: Tinkerbell and Foxy Roxy (gggrrroowwlll!,) and
others can easily be assumed: HatchetMAN. There are a few that are
really questionable: Redline, Viper, Highbrow and even Tempest for
example.

3. Am I the only one who thinks maybe the Ex-Wife should be a contact
so you could send the Elven Hitman after her? ;o)

-== Loki ==-
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Message no. 15
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Another card idea...
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:11:29 +0100
Loki wrote:
> 2. There really isn't any given sex designation for the runners. While
> some are obvious: Tinkerbell and Foxy Roxy (gggrrroowwlll!,) and
> others can easily be assumed: HatchetMAN. There are a few that are
> really questionable: Redline, Viper, Highbrow and even Tempest for
> example.
>

Just my 2 Pfennigs: In German, gender is designated by the occupation
suffix. There was a translation problem with some cards, though.
Apparently, Cherry´s sex wasn´t so obvious as I thought.

Felix
Message no. 16
From: Jon Palmer <jmp225@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Another card idea...
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:10:45 -0500
>> Child Support - Special (Stinger)

>but only misery can come with gender specific cards. Rage had a couple of
>that kind of card... difficult to figure out what gender a wolfy is without a
>faw. still don't know which gender Redline is, but most runners are fairly
>obvious there (it's a good guess Foxy Roxy is female)

In THAT case, just make it "target runner." No reason a woman can't have
to pay child support; if she's off running the shadows, she probably won't
have time to take care of the child full-time (not everyone has the support
system Jack Skater does).

Jon Palmer

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