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Message no. 1
From: "Bourgault, Patrick" <pbourgau@***.CA>
Subject: Another question
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:04:00 PDT
What's the outcome of a Widow's Trap and a All or Nothing! ?? Does the
player still can pull out his team or must he face WT ?? Tx.
Message no. 2
From: Olaf Kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:44:12 +0200
Bourgault, Patrick schrieb:
> What's the outcome of a Widow's Trap and a All or Nothing! ?? Does the
> player still can pull out his team or must he face WT ?? Tx.


I think he must face the Widow`s Trap. Because AoN say you can`t pull out if you
want, just if you must.

OLAF
Message no. 3
From: Kent Riskedahl <krrisked@****.CO.NET>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 08:36:59 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Olaf Kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
To: SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET <SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Another question


Bourgault, Patrick schrieb:
> What's the outcome of a Widow's Trap and a All or Nothing! ?? Does the
> player still can pull out his team or must he face WT ?? Tx.

The player has the choice of pulling out or facing the outcome of Widow's
Trap. All or Nothing only makes you face the next challenge, not
necessarily fight it.
Message no. 4
From: Olaf kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 16:26:57 +0200
Kent Riskedahl schrieb:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olaf Kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
> To: SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET <SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET>
> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Another question
>
>
> Bourgault, Patrick schrieb:
> > What's the outcome of a Widow's Trap and a All or Nothing! ?? Does the
> > player still can pull out his team or must he face WT ?? Tx.
>
> The player has the choice of pulling out or facing the outcome of Widow's
> Trap. All or Nothing only makes you face the next challenge, not
> necessarily fight it.

All or Nothing say: no Runner can pull out of the run voluntary.If you pull out
by the WT you do it voluntary( the WT don`t say GO HOME).I mean you must face the
WT.

Olaf
Message no. 5
From: Bolton Sara <pin12962@*******.PING.BE>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:19:27 +0200
>The player has the choice of pulling out or facing the outcome of Widow's
>Trap. All or Nothing only makes you face the next challenge, not
>necessarily fight it.
>
All or nothing: "No member of target shadowrunning team may voluntarily pull
out of current shadowrun."
You must face all the remaining challenge unles one of them send you back to
the safehouse(not by choice), you fail to defeat a challenge (shadowrun is
over) or all runners are killed.

Vincent.
Message no. 6
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:27:32 EDT
you have to face the widows trap....it's not an option...so either loti it or
rabits foot it...
Message no. 7
From: { Bill Power } <WABBITSFT@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:36:05 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-09 23:29:29 EDT, you write:

<< Discussion)
To: SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET

you have to face the widows trap....it's not an option...so either loti it or
rabits foot it...
>>
this isnt true...the word came from FASA....YOU CAN PULL OUT OF
WIDOWS TRAP BEFORE FACING IT. yes I know this sounds stupit,and it goes
against the rule book and its poorly worded.but if fasa says so.....

"father I have something to say...its better to burn out...then fade away!"
Message no. 8
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:14:33 EDT
okay i thought about it... AON says you have to face the challenge...fine flip
the challenge over WT..so you faced it because it flipped over.. know WT says
you may pull your SR team out....this is part of facing the card...so yes you
can pull out because you faced the challenge and pulling out is part of that
challenge....hopefully it will be official in the newsletter in september

brak the yak
if your not part of the solution you're part of the problem
Message no. 9
From: "Bourgault, Patrick" <pbourgau@***.CA>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:21:00 PDT
Bourgault, Patrick schrieb:
> What's the outcome of a Widow's Trap and a All or Nothing! ?? Does the
> player still can pull out his team or must he face WT ?? Tx.

The player has the choice of pulling out or facing the outcome of Widow's
Trap. All or Nothing only makes you face the next challenge, not
necessarily fight it.


You mixed two cards. You're talking about No Way Out and in this case,
you're right. All or Nothing! says that the team cannot voluntarily pull
out of a SR.
Message no. 10
From: Olaf kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:19:49 +0200
Gabe Rosario schrieb:
> okay i thought about it... AON says you have to face the challenge...fine flip
> the challenge over WT..so you faced it because it flipped over.. know WT says
> you may pull your SR team out....this is part of facing the card...so yes you
> can pull out because you faced the challenge and pulling out is part of that
> challenge....hopefully it will be official in the newsletter in september
>
> brak the yak
> if your not part of the solution you're part of the problem


I can`t belive it. Because if i can choose to pull out of the run it is voluntary
and the Card AON say no runner can pull out voluntary.The Card that say you must
face the next challange is not AON(i just know the german name of it).

OLAF
Message no. 11
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:01:08 EDT
In a message dated 8/10/98 11:21:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Olaf-Kramer@**
ONLINE.DE writes:

>
> I can`t belive it. Because if i can choose to pull out of the run it is
> voluntary
> and the Card AON say no runner can pull out voluntary.The Card that say
you
> must
> face the next challange is not AON(i just know the german name of it).
>
> OLAF
>
but you did face the card... and on the card it says you may pull out or
stay....

brak
Message no. 12
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:05:32 -0700
At 03:01 PM 8/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/10/98 11:21:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Olaf-Kramer@**
>ONLINE.DE writes:
>
>>
>> I can`t belive it. Because if i can choose to pull out of the run it is
>> voluntary
>> and the Card AON say no runner can pull out voluntary.The Card that say
>you
>> must
>> face the next challange is not AON(i just know the german name of it).
>>
>> OLAF
>>
>but you did face the card... and on the card it says you may pull out or
>stay....
>
AON is not phrased that you must face the challenge, it says you cannot
pull out of the run voluntarily. If you face WT you cannot pull out
because pulling out would be your choice, therefore voluntary.

David
Message no. 13
From: Olaf kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:26:25 +0200
David Reis schrieb:
> At 03:01 PM 8/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 8/10/98 11:21:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Olaf-Kramer@**
> >ONLINE.DE writes:
> >
> >>
> >> I can`t belive it. Because if i can choose to pull out of the run it is
> >> voluntary
> >> and the Card AON say no runner can pull out voluntary.The Card that say
> >you
> >> must
> >> face the next challange is not AON(i just know the german name of it).
> >>
> >> OLAF
> >>
> >but you did face the card... and on the card it says you may pull out or
> >stay....
> >
> AON is not phrased that you must face the challenge, it says you cannot
> pull out of the run voluntarily. If you face WT you cannot pull out
> because pulling out would be your choice, therefore voluntary.
>
> David

That`s it

OLAF
Message no. 14
From: Olaf kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:26:25 +0200
Gabe Rosario schrieb:
> In a message dated 8/10/98 11:21:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Olaf-Kramer@**
> ONLINE.DE writes:
>
> >
> > I can`t belive it. Because if i can choose to pull out of the run it is
> > voluntary
> > and the Card AON say no runner can pull out voluntary.The Card that say
> you
> > must
> > face the next challange is not AON(i just know the german name of it).
> >
> > OLAF
> >
> but you did face the card... and on the card it says you may pull out or
> stay....
>
> brak

thats right, but if i have a choise between pull out or stand an, maybe, die both
is voluntary.i mean there is no "you must pull out" on the WT Card.so if you
choose to pull out you do it voluntary.or no ?

Olaf
Message no. 15
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:19:05 EDT
In a message dated 8/10/98 3:48:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Olaf-Kramer@**
ONLINE.DE writes:

>
> thats right, but if i have a choise between pull out or stand an, maybe,
die
> both
> is voluntary.i mean there is no "you must pull out" on the WT Card.so if
you
> choose to pull out you do it voluntary.or no ?
>
> Olaf
>
i guess it would be... that is a very difficult situation....because you have
to cards going against each other...i'm sure we figure it out .....

brak da yak

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