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Message no. 1
From: Joao Maia <joao.maia@*****.PT>
Subject: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:43:03 +0100
Hi there,

I've been reading the last messages posted to this list regarding the
Corp War expansion, and I've payed particular attention to those written

by our (lucky) fellow playtesters such as Loki, Bull, Matb, etc. (sorry
if I left someone out). So I was wondering, can any of you lift the tip
of the veil a bit more ? I have a few questions regarding the expansion
and I'll just leave them here. If any of you wishes to answer them,
fine, if not I'll just have to wait until November (sigh...).

1 - Will there be more deckers on the expansion ?

2 - Are there more Closed System objectives ?

3 - Will there be runners with rating 2 on special abilities (such as
Fame, Biotech, Recon, Guard) ? The only ones I know of are Adam Bomb and

Maria Mercurial (which are both promos)...

4 - Are there any Corporate affiliated runners ?

5 - Are there any new Matrix programs ?

6 - What about card art ? Is it as nice as First Run and Underworld ?

That's it. I hope that some of these questions can be answered...

Cheers from Portugal,

Joao Maia
Message no. 2
From: Phil Jaros <chakan@****.PYROTECHNICS.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:37:28 -0500
Joao Maia <joao.maia@*****.PT> wrote:
>So I was wondering, can any of you lift the tip
>of the veil a bit more ? I have a few questions regarding the expansion
>and I'll just leave them here. If any of you wishes to answer them,
>fine, if not I'll just have to wait until November (sigh...).

Well I was able to read all of the Corp War cards at GenCon. However,
I have no idea if I saw early or late versions of the card.

>2 - Are there more Closed System objectives ?

I don't remember if there were any closed systems, but I do remember
there are a couple of ones that make Impossible mission look like a Cake
Walk. ;)

>3 - Will there be runners with rating 2 on special abilities (such as
>Fame, Biotech, Recon, Guard) ? The only ones I know of are Adam Bomb and
>Maria Mercurial (which are both promos)...

Hmmmm.... I don't remember if there are any runners with a two or
better in a trait, but there is a shaman that can heal spirits in a
pretty cool way. Hint for the people who have been on the list for
awhile: It involves my favorite location card... ;)

>4 - Are there any Corporate affiliated runners ?

There are Corparate runners, plus a way to hire some of the old
runners to a corporation...

>6 - What about card art ? Is it as nice as First Run and Underworld ?

I don't think anyone had seen the art, as of Gen COn but it has been
a week and a half... Gabe, MatB and Loki are probably are the most
likely to have seen some of the art.

If any of the playtesters think I've said to much, let me know
and I won't say another word. I did try to keep it pretty vague though.
Besides, alot could have changed since the versions of the cards I saw
were made.

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Message no. 3
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:32:28 -0700
Joao Maia wrote:

> I've been reading the last messages posted to this list regarding the
> Corp War expansion, and I've payed particular attention to those written
> by our (lucky) fellow playtesters such as Loki, Bull, Matb, etc. (sorry
> if I left someone out). So I was wondering, can any of you lift the tip
> of the veil a bit more ? I have a few questions regarding the expansion
> and I'll just leave them here. If any of you wishes to answer them,
> fine, if not I'll just have to wait until November (sigh...).

Tell me about it.

> 1 - Will there be more deckers on the expansion ?

Oh yeah. After Underworld completely overlooked Deckers, Corp War makes
up for them.

> 2 - Are there more Closed System objectives ?

Closed System.. one of the most underused keywords in the game.. there
should be one. (Two? More? I can't recall.) If one's not, let's
write in and get FASA to errata it! :)

> 3 - Will there be runners with rating 2 on special abilities (such as
> Fame, Biotech, Recon, Guard) ? The only ones I know of are Adam Bomb and
> Maria Mercurial (which are both promos)...

Mum's the word. There are some interesting twists put on some of the
traits.

> 4 - Are there any Corporate affiliated runners ?

*Whistle* Well - not to sound to picky, but, dude - it's a corporate
expansion. Do you really think there wouldn't be any? ;)

> 5 - Are there any new Matrix programs ?

Yup. (Not as cool as I'd hoped, but hey.)

> 6 - What about card art ? Is it as nice as First Run and Underworld ?

Ooooh, believe it.


- Matt

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Message no. 4
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:42:22 -0700
Phil Jaros wrote:

> If any of the playtesters think I've said to much, let me know
> and I won't say another word. I did try to keep it pretty vague though.
> Besides, alot could have changed since the versions of the cards I saw
> were made.

Don't worry... there were. (Grr. I think I just said too much.)


- Matt

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Message no. 5
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:43:43 -0700
---Joao Maia <joao.maia@*****.PT> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I've been reading the last messages posted to this list regarding the
> Corp War expansion, and I've payed particular attention to those written
>
> by our (lucky) fellow playtesters such as Loki, Bull, Matb, etc. (sorry
> if I left someone out). So I was wondering, can any of you lift the tip
> of the veil a bit more ? I have a few questions regarding the expansion
> and I'll just leave them here. If any of you wishes to answer them,
> fine, if not I'll just have to wait until November (sigh...).
>
> 1 - Will there be more deckers on the expansion ?

Yes, definitely. Corp Wars fills in the decker holes from Underworld with more
Runners, Gear and other decking related items.

> 2 - Are there more Closed System objectives ?

Yes. I'm proud to say this was one of my biggest suggestions. ;o)

> 3 - Will there be runners with rating 2 on special abilities (such as
> Fame, Biotech, Recon, Guard) ?

Can't think of any rating 2 traits right off. There are several new and
interesting special abilities amongst the Runners though.

> 4 - Are there any Corporate affiliated runners ?

This is a given with an expansion named Corp Wars. Corporate affiliation
definitely plays it's role.

> 5 - Are there any new Matrix programs ?

Yes. See me comments on Deckers above. Between Runners, Gear and Specials, my
Combat Decking deck went through a major reconstruction when I had to pull out
the playtesting cards in prep for playing at Gen Con.

> 6 - What about card art ? Is it as nice as First Run and Underworld ?

Haven't seen any art to speak of. The Playtesting cards were Laserprinter
sheets we cut out and used in sleeves over other cards or slugs. They had the
whole card frame there, but were lacking the pic. In a way this made it nice
'cause it gave us a white field for making notes as the different revisions
were released after we fielded playtesting comments.

However, looking through SRRPG 3rd Edition, and knowing how art is recycled,
I've seen a few pieces of art in there that I suspect will find there way into
Corp Wars if not 2nd Run.

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Message no. 6
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:49:17 -0700
---Phil Jaros <chakan@****.PYROTECHNICS.COM> wrote:
>
> >3 - Will there be runners with rating 2 on special abilities (such as
> >Fame, Biotech, Recon, Guard) ? The only ones I know of are Adam Bomb and
> >Maria Mercurial (which are both promos)...
>
> Hmmmm.... I don't remember if there are any runners with a two or
> better in a trait, but there is a shaman that can heal spirits in a
> pretty cool way. Hint for the people who have been on the list for
> awhile: It involves my favorite location card... ;)
>
> If any of the playtesters think I've said to much, let me know
> and I won't say another word. I did try to keep it pretty vague though.
> Besides, alot could have changed since the versions of the cards I saw
> were made.

You must've seen a the first run of the playtesting set. I know for a fact the
Runner you refer to had their special ability changed in the 2nd revision.

The set as a whole went through a number of changes between the 2nd and 3rd
revisions. Some cards were dropped and others added. Some cards stayed in the
set but were so drastically altered they may as well been new. Others just
swapped names back and forth (especially Runners. :o)

I think by the time we were playtesting Rev 3 and then the final comments were
turned in, there were still some changes to be slated but now it's a matter of
seeing what makes it to the printed card.

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Message no. 7
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:15:56 -0700
---Sorrow <sorrow@*******.org> wrote:
>
> >I think by the time we were playtesting Rev 3 and then the final comments
> were
> >turned in, there were still some changes to be slated but now it's a matter
> of
> >seeing what makes it to the printed card.
>
> I'm very curious how one gets involved in playtesting?
> I'd be very interested, even though I figure my chances are pretty low.

Can't really say. Tony and I were basically just personal invites in one of
the emails when I was writing back and forth with the DLOH's.

Same thing with playtesting SRRPG 3rd Edition. I happen to per in on pretty
good informal basis with the FASA crew, and the offer just came up amidst
other conversation over lunch at Gen Con last year.

I'll be the first to admit I'm really just a lucky SOB with several
right-place, right-time scenerios. :o)

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Message no. 8
From: "(Ryan Smith)" <SnakeIzBac@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:39:11 EDT
In a message dated 8/21/98 11:19:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
daddyjim@**********.COM writes:

<<
Same thing with playtesting SRRPG 3rd Edition. I happen to per in on pretty
good informal basis with the FASA crew, and the offer just came up amidst
other conversation over lunch at Gen Con last year.
>>



Look at the head Honchos on the list Wining And Dining with the FASA people--
hee hee
Message no. 9
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:12:59 -0400
At 04:37 AM 8/21/98 -0500, Phil Jaros wrote these timeless words:

>>6 - What about card art ? Is it as nice as First Run and Underworld ?
>
>I don't think anyone had seen the art, as of Gen COn but it has been
>a week and a half... Gabe, MatB and Loki are probably are the most
>likely to have seen some of the art.
>
At Origins, Mike Mulvhill had several sheets of art prints that were mostly
for SR3 (WHich was just going to the printers at the time). There were a
few pages though that Mike said he thought were for Copr War, but,
unfortunately, for the life of me I can't remember what the pictures were
of (THe Conventions were more than a little hectic for me:)).

I DO remember that I thought the pictures kicked ass though :]

>If any of the playtesters think I've said to much, let me know
>and I won't say another word. I did try to keep it pretty vague though.
>Besides, alot could have changed since the versions of the cards I saw
>were made.
>
Sounds like (Mat or Loki mentioned this already, I think) you got to peek
at the original Playtest Card Sheets we were given. Things changed a LOT
over the course of a month of playtesting... :]

This delay is driving me nuts though! I have two decks mostly built that
are just awaiting real cards!!! :]

Bull
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Message no. 10
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:13:03 -0400
At 08:15 AM 8/21/98 -0700, Loki wrote these timeless words:

>> I'm very curious how one gets involved in playtesting?
>> I'd be very interested, even though I figure my chances are pretty low.
>
>Can't really say. Tony and I were basically just personal invites in one of
>the emails when I was writing back and forth with the DLOH's.
>
Mine was out of the blue... I was working with Beryl Turner (Who's no
longer with FASA) to set up the Origins Tournament, and apparently MIke
Mulvhill recommended my name to Mike Nielson. I got a phone call one day
from Skuzzy... That just blew me away :]

>Same thing with playtesting SRRPG 3rd Edition. I happen to per in on pretty
>good informal basis with the FASA crew, and the offer just came up amidst
>other conversation over lunch at Gen Con last year.
>
Same here, since I was part of that conversation... :]

We ran into Mike and Steve Kenson at the mall food court across from the
convention center wen we went for lunch Saturday at GC97. Mike and Kenson
were having a "Secret" discussion about the new magic rules (though we
didn;t know this at the time), and after they were done talking they
invited us (Me, Loki, Caric, and Dvixen) over. After chatting a little
while, Mike asked if we'd be interested in playtesting some ideas for a new
Initiative System for SR3. And so it began... :]

>I'll be the first to admit I'm really just a lucky SOB with several
>right-place, right-time scenerios. :o)
>
Oh yeah... Me too... I'm definately one of the luckiest SOB's out there :]

And in this business... Right place, right time is EVERYTHING :]

Bull -- Have Dice, WIll Playtest :]
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= =
=======================================================

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Message no. 11
From: Phil Jaros <chakan@****.PYROTECHNICS.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:12:08 -0500
Loki wrote:
>>Hmmmm.... I don't remember if there are any runners with a two or
>>better in a trait, but there is a shaman that can heal spirits in a
>>pretty cool way. Hint for the people who have been on the list for
>>awhile: It involves my favorite location card... ;)
>
>You must've seen a the first run of the playtesting set. I know for a fact the
>Runner you refer to had their special ability changed in the 2nd revision.

They changed it again? Damn... I've heard two differant versions of
the card (with a pretty spiffy name), and know it sounds like it changed
drastically three times... Too bad it would have been a cool card. ;(



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>"""""''
Chakan `| ^ |'
The Forever Man / | =-= | \
/ `__.__' \
Message no. 12
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Any new Corp War hints ?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:24:40 -0700
> They changed it again? Damn... I've heard two differant versions of
> the card (with a pretty spiffy name), and know it sounds like it changed
> drastically three times...

Four.

:)


- Matt

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