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Message no. 1
From: Crane <jack9@*********.NET>
Subject: [Armor] How to handle it
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:27:52 -0800
Armor-

Someone asked me what the Max Armor you could have on someone was.
My group paused briefly then began to chatter. It got louder and louder
until, eventually, somebody spilled a drink and I think I saw a bag of
peanuts fly through the air and now the ferret's injured.

So here's what we can document-

The rulebook says that you can have multiple types of Armor, however the
highest one counts <I don't think anyone will argue that you can take the
lower value by choice, but if you want to, make another thread>.

So I have an untapped Stomper 6/7(A1) with a Hog (+1/+0 A+1) and dermal
armor (+0/+2 A+1) and 2 fullbody armors (A+2 each) and an Armor Jacket(A+1)
and with a Bulldog Van on a Thrash (A+1)

Now one school of thought is that Stomper is now 6/9(A6)
With these armors working-
Natural (A1)
Dermal (A+1) "Works with other armor"
FullBodyArmor (A+2) Rulebook-"only 1 armor may be worn at a time"
Bulldog Van (A+1)
Hog (A+1)
This is mine. I don't see any other way for it to be.
The Lined Coat works with Armor jacket, but not other armor.
The bulldog van adds armor, but is not Gear (Armor) so it can add it to the
highest armor rating.

What is the highest armor achievable?
I think it's A8 by a natural A2 troll or a burned out mage with Armor (spell).

Let me know what you think!
Message no. 2
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: [Armor] How to handle it
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:19:27 -0800
Crane wrote:

> What is the highest armor achievable?

Torgo (A2) or Uncle Joe with an Armor Spell (+A2), with:
- Dermal Armor (+A1)
- Heavy Armor Full (+A2)
- Harley Scorpion (+A1)

for an untrashable (A6)!

I've always played that the Harley and the Bulldog were *not*
compatible, since a Runner can only use one vehicle at a time. In this
instance, the Runner is benefiting but not equipped with the Bulldog,
but it still doesn't work for me -- you can't exactly sit on your Harley
inside the Van. Of course, the Bulldog Van is a little paradoxical as a
card..

About the only other source of armor left out so far is Pappy, but
neither Runner here is a Dwarf. That and net.cards...


-Mb
Message no. 3
From: Mike and Jill Johnson <mnj@************.NET>
Subject: Re: [Armor] How to handle it
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:49:55 -0700
Okay.. Now that I have more commons and uncommons then my entire
"collection" deck. I've decided to cut way back on the purchasing of
boosters. Unfortunatly I'm still short 32 rares... Here is what I have.
Let me know if I have anything you want and you have anything I need. As
for references I've done a lot of trading with mamoulian and 1
trade/purchase from Loki. As for purchases I'm more then willing to pay 10
dollars for any of the promo cards from the magazines. Seems that the
thriving metropolis of Boise Id. Doesn't have many places that carry them
and just buying or trading for them will be a lot easier...

Extras

Bam Bam
Dodger
FastJack
Grizzly (2)
HighBrow
Iron Mike
Ripper
Sally Tsung
ChipJack 3
Fairlight Excaliber (2)
Lucky Wabbits Foot
Ranger Arms
Skillsoft Piloting (3) [I seem to be the skillsoft collector]
Skillsoft Stealth (4)
Humanis Policlub Ganger
Cleanse the Hive
Dragon Hunt (2)
Room 5b78
Astral Sentry (3)
Custom System
Guardian Earth Elemental
Guardian Fire Elemental
Heavy Sentry Gun
Motion Detectors
Sudden Goblinzation


Needs
Da' Profezzur
Kham
Marek
Moon Shadow
Pappy
Scatter
Wheeeler
hatchetman 2057
Flatline
Foxy Roxy
Adam Bomb
Defiance Taser
Doc Wagon (Platinum)
Panther Assualt Cannon
Skillsoft Athletics [I have a boatload of skillsofts but not this one? I
don't get it.]
Smartgun Link
Sticky Fingers
Maglock Key
The Fat Man
Aztechnology
The Festering Tusk
The Hideaway
Fuchi Industries
Barney Phyffe
Hellhound
Tactics Converge
Lofwyr's Schemes
Ambidextrous
Cyber-psychosis
Knock-Knock
Matrix Crash
Red Alert

I also have at least 4 of every common and uncommon so if your interested
in any of these please let me know.

Also to keep list traffic down to a minimum and in order not to get yelled
at please PLEASE email me at mnj@************.net.


Many thanks
Mike and Jill Johnson
Message no. 4
From: Crane <jack9@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: [Armor] How to handle it
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:11:24 -0800
At 12:19 AM 12/15/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Crane wrote:
>
>> What is the highest armor achievable?
How About-
Torgo (A2) or Uncle Joe with an Armor Spell (+A2), with:
- Dermal Armor x 2 (+A2)
- Heavy Armor Full (+A2)
- Harley Scorpion (+A1)

(A7)!

>I've always played that the Harley and the Bulldog were *not*
>compatible, since a Runner can only use one vehicle at a time. In this
>instance, the Runner is benefiting but not equipped with the Bulldog,
>but it still doesn't work for me -- you can't exactly sit on your Harley
>inside the Van. Of course, the Bulldog Van is a little paradoxical as a
>card..
>
I was wondering if anyone else had a problem with multiple vehicle armor? I
can accept that, but in the interest of less volume, I don't know if we
need to add more errata.....
Message no. 5
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: [Armor] How to handle it
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:39:29 -0800
> >> What is the highest armor achievable?
> How About-
> Torgo (A2) or Uncle Joe with an Armor Spell (+A2), with:
> - Dermal Armor x 2 (+A2)

Dermal plating is (thankfully) limited to just one per Runner. Even
(A4) can make a buff-tough Runner nearly indestructible against the
majority of Challenges out there.

> >I've always played that the Harley and the Bulldog were *not*
> >compatible, since a Runner can only use one vehicle at a time. In this
> >instance, the Runner is benefiting but not equipped with the Bulldog,
> >but it still doesn't work for me -- you can't exactly sit on your Harley
> >inside the Van. Of course, the Bulldog Van is a little paradoxical as a
> >card..

> I was wondering if anyone else had a problem with multiple vehicle armor? I
> can accept that, but in the interest of less volume, I don't know if we
> need to add more errata.....

Well, it is stated in the RBT that "each Runner may only take one
Vehicle on the shadowrun", os it's not *too* worrisome. However, I have
problems with the Bulldog applying armor toward Runners who aren't
present with it (although it's rare that it'd be needed at the safehouse
while on a shadowrun).

So I've been using a house-rule which has it applying to all present,
unturned Runners, and, in a further modification, the Van returns the
exact same Runners that left the shadowrun to the "new" one.


-Mb

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