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Message no. 1
From: Nemein <eness@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:25:01 -0700
---Tony Rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM> wrote:
[snip]
>
>
> To keep things simple, why not just allow a D6 roll instead of a 4
> nuyen increase? Makes it a gamble, nice place for those Loaded Dice
> and Deja Vu's.
>
That's not a bad idea. You have atleast a 50/50 chance of making what
you would usually get with a shot at getting more :-) Or course, with
the way I usually roll dice I doubt I would play with this card ;-)
So how does this sound though:

Shakey Investements
Special
2Y
During the credstick if you decide to take Y instead of drawing cards,
roll a d6. You get the amount of Y equal to the roll instead of the
usual 4Y. This is your base pay, add in any other money generating
effects (such as runners with fame) as usual.




> I also like the Blood Debt and Black Credstick ideas, but seem to be
a
> bit unworkable as written, too much record-keeping...
>
I can't speak for Blood Debt (since I can't recall what it did off
hand), but Black Credstick just requires that a token be put on it
everytime gear is played on the runner with it. I guess I didn't word
it clearly enough. I'll attempt to clean it up a bit.

Thanks
Forrest
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Message no. 2
From: Scott Roberts <shayd@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:58:22 -0400
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Nemein wrote:

>snip<

> That's not a bad idea. You have atleast a 50/50 chance of making what
> you would usually get with a shot at getting more :-) Or course, with
> the way I usually roll dice I doubt I would play with this card ;-)
> So how does this sound though:
>
> Shakey Investements
> Special
> 2Y
> During the credstick if you decide to take Y instead of drawing cards,
> roll a d6. You get the amount of Y equal to the roll instead of the
> usual 4Y. This is your base pay, add in any other money generating
> effects (such as runners with fame) as usual.
>

Um...for 2 =Y=? This would make it non-cost-effective (6Y-2Y=4Y...the
same I would get if I didn't play it.) Unless it's a "permanent
special"...and I don't know of any yet that linger after their effect.

Location: Stock Market?

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Message no. 3
From: Nemein <eness@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:18:30 -0700
---Scott Roberts <shayd@********.NET> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Nemein wrote:
>
> >snip<
>
> > That's not a bad idea. You have atleast a 50/50 chance of making
what
> > you would usually get with a shot at getting more :-) Or course,
with
> > the way I usually roll dice I doubt I would play with this card ;-)
> > So how does this sound though:
> >
> > Shakey Investements
> > Special
> > 2Y
> > During the credstick if you decide to take Y instead of drawing
cards,
> > roll a d6. You get the amount of Y equal to the roll instead of
the
> > usual 4Y. This is your base pay, add in any other money generating
> > effects (such as runners with fame) as usual.
> >
>
> Um...for 2 =Y=? This would make it non-cost-effective
(6Y-2Y=4Y...the
> same I would get if I didn't play it.) Unless it's a "permanent
> special"...and I don't know of any yet that linger after their
effect.
>
> Location: Stock Market?
>
>

Oops, yeah I should have mentioned on the card that this one stays in
play. The downside of having it as a location though is that you
can't have runners visit locations during the credstick phase.

Forrest
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Message no. 4
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:34:19 -0700
---Scott Roberts wrote:
>
> > Shakey Investements

<snip>

> Um...for 2 =Y=? This would make it non-cost-effective
(6Y-2Y=4Y...the
> same I would get if I didn't play it.) Unless it's a "permanent
> special"...and I don't know of any yet that linger after their
effect.
>
> Location: Stock Market?

The only specials I know of that stay around are those played directly
on Runners (i.e. - Infected Chrome, Wanted, etc.)

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Message no. 5
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:33:02 -0700
Loki wrote:
>
> ---Scott Roberts wrote:
> >
> > > Shakey Investements
>
> <snip>
>
> > Um...for 2 =Y=? This would make it non-cost-effective
> (6Y-2Y=4Y...the
> > same I would get if I didn't play it.) Unless it's a "permanent
> > special"...and I don't know of any yet that linger after their
> effect.
> >
> > Location: Stock Market?
>
> The only specials I know of that stay around are those played directly
> on Runners (i.e. - Infected Chrome, Wanted, etc.)

Matrix Crash. Red Alert (with upkeep, admittedly.) NERPS... okay,
that should be played on a Runner, too.
Message no. 6
From: Nemein <eness@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:33:03 -0700
---Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM> wrote:
>
> ---Scott Roberts wrote:
> >
> > > Shakey Investements
>
> <snip>
>
> > Um...for 2 =Y=? This would make it non-cost-effective
> (6Y-2Y=4Y...the
> > same I would get if I didn't play it.) Unless it's a "permanent
> > special"...and I don't know of any yet that linger after their
> effect.
> >
> > Location: Stock Market?
>
> The only specials I know of that stay around are those played
directly
> on Runners (i.e. - Infected Chrome, Wanted, etc.)
>
> -== Loki ==-

OK, that's true now, but what about in the future. Do you think "free
floating specials" are a bad thing? Personally I see it (or something
like it) as an eventual development of the game. How about if it
became a contact?

Forrest
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Message no. 7
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:30:34 -0700
---Nemein wrote:
>
> ---Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM> wrote:
> >
> > The only specials I know of that stay around are those played
> directly
> > on Runners (i.e. - Infected Chrome, Wanted, etc.)
>
> OK, that's true now, but what about in the future. Do you think
"free
> floating specials" are a bad thing? Personally I see it (or
something
> like it) as an eventual development of the game. How about if it
> became a contact?

I don't have an issue with Specials that "linger." In fact believe it
was Matb that pointed out a couple do already (Matrix Crash and Red
Alert). I was just stating that I couldn't think of any to did at the
moment.

IMHO Specials and Stingers will probably come to be the SRTCG version
of Enchantment and Sorcery cards.

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Message no. 8
From: Nemein <eness@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:54:37 -0700
---Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> I don't have an issue with Specials that "linger." In fact believe it
> was Matb that pointed out a couple do already (Matrix Crash and Red
> Alert). I was just stating that I couldn't think of any to did at the
> moment.
>
Don't forget Block Party :-)

>
> IMHO Specials and Stingers will probably come to be the SRTCG version
> of Enchantment and Sorcery cards.
>
With the Stingers being interrupts/instances ;-) Yep, I agree...

Back to the topic of discussion. A couple of weekends ago while
driving I came up with several card ideas (it's amazing how the mind
wanders on long trips :-) ). Anyway, I almost have the complete list
typed up for the web site. Here's a couple that fit the current
thread though:

Name: Insurance Kick Back
Type: Stinger
Cost: 3¥
Text: Playable only when healing a runner. Gain ¥ equal to the amount
of damage just healed. "It said triplicate, so I
filled 3 times."

Name: Black Credstick (original)
Type: Special
Cost: 2¥
Text: Roll d6: 1-2 get 1¥, 3-4 get 2¥, 5 get 3¥, 6 get 4¥ Roll can't
be modified.

Let me know what you think
Forrest
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Message no. 9
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:07:56 +0000
> Name: Insurance Kick Back
> Type: Stinger
> Cost: 3¥
> Text: Playable only when healing a runner. Gain ¥ equal to the amount
> of damage just healed. "It said triplicate, so I
> filled 3 times."

Too expensive. "Filed" :)

> Name: Black Credstick (original)
> Type: Special
> Cost: 2¥
> Text: Roll d6: 1-2 get 1¥, 3-4 get 2¥, 5 get 3¥, 6 get 4¥ Roll c=
an't
> be modified.

I like this one....follows the existing tradition of occasional bad
luck.
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 10
From: Nemein <eness@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:48:50 -0700
---Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Name: Insurance Kick Back
> > Type: Stinger
> > Cost: 3¥
> > Text: Playable only when healing a runner. Gain ¥ equal to the
amount
> > of damage just healed. "It said triplicate, so I
> > filled 3 times."
>
> Too expensive. "Filed" :)
>
Oops.. Yeah, I was wondering about the cost, maybe it would be better
to drop it to 2Y. I guess since I usually play with the "bruiser"
type decks, healing 6-7 points wasn't all that unusual. It was meant
as a quick boost, not as a major money source.


>
> > Name: Black Credstick (original)
> > Type: Special
> > Cost: 2¥
> > Text: Roll d6: 1-2 get 1¥, 3-4 get 2¥, 5 get 3¥, 6 get 4¥ Roll
can't
> > be modified.
>
> I like this one....follows the existing tradition of occasional bad
> luck.

A lot simpler than the other version that I posted the other day as
well :-) Although, maybe this one would be better named "A Day at the
Races" or how about turning it into a location

Name: Casino
Type: Location
Cost: 2¥
Text: Any player's runners may visit. 2Y and turn runner to enter.
Roll d6: 1-2 get 1¥, 3-4 get 2¥, 5 get 3¥, 6 get 4¥ Roll can't
be modified.

Now where's that Troll Bouncer when you need 'em :-)

Forrest
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Message no. 11
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:59:47 +0000
> Name: Casino
> Type: Location
> Cost: 2¥
> Text: Any player's runners may visit. 2Y and turn runner to enter.
> Roll d6: 1-2 get 1¥, 3-4 get 2¥, 5 get 3¥, 6 get 4¥ Roll c=
an't
> be modified.
>
> Now where's that Troll Bouncer when you need 'em :-)

As a permanent Location, this has odds that are too good. although
opening it up to all players is neat) Try:

Cost: 2Y
Text: Any Players runners may visit. If there is ever less than 2Y on C=
asino, place
cred on Casino (from cred pool?) until it has 2Y. Turn visiting
runner and pay 2Y to Casino. roll d6: 1: runner takes 1 AP damage.
2-3: No effect: 4-5 Take 4Y from Casino 6: Take all Y from Casino

Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 12
From: Nemein <eness@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:54:05 -0700
---Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Name: Casino
> > Type: Location
> > Cost: 2¥
> > Text: Any player's runners may visit. 2Y and turn runner to
enter.
> > Roll d6: 1-2 get 1¥, 3-4 get 2¥, 5 get 3¥, 6 get 4¥ Roll
can't
> > be modified.
> >
> > Now where's that Troll Bouncer when you need 'em :-)
>
> As a permanent Location, this has odds that are too good. although
> opening it up to all players is neat) Try:
>
> Cost: 2Y
> Text: Any Players runners may visit. If there is ever less than
2Y on Casino, place
> cred on Casino (from cred pool?) until it has 2Y. Turn visiting
> runner and pay 2Y to Casino. roll d6: 1: runner takes 1 AP damage.
> 2-3: No effect: 4-5 Take 4Y from Casino 6: Take all Y from Casino
>

I like it. Did someone say that they are keeping track of card ideas
to send on, or was that just questions? If noone else is doing I
suppose I could keep track of the ideas proposed here on my web site.
(It's the first nonwork web site that I've done, so I'm looking for
things to do with it :-) )

Let me know,
Forrest
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Message no. 13
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:43:27 -0700
---Nemein wrote:
>
> I like it. Did someone say that they are keeping track of card ideas
> to send on, or was that just questions? If noone else is doing I
> suppose I could keep track of the ideas proposed here on my web site.
> (It's the first nonwork web site that I've done, so I'm looking for
> things to do with it :-) )

I've been archiving FASA responses and rulings, but that's about it.
If you want to cache the different card ideas that would be cool. You
can pull them from the list archive if need be.

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Message no. 14
From: Nemein <eness@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:02:44 -0700
---Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM> wrote:
>
>
> I've been archiving FASA responses and rulings, but that's about it.
> If you want to cache the different card ideas that would be cool. You
> can pull them from the list archive if need be.
>
> -== Loki ==-
>

I'll try to dig through the archives later this week. In the mean
time, if anyone has ideas that they have proposed that they would like
included please mail them to me directly (eness@**********.com or
nemein@*********.com). I'll dump them on a page with applicable
references back to the originator (email/web).

Thanks
Forrest
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Message no. 15
From: Andrew Payne III <smiling_bandit@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:51:35 -0700
---Nemein wrote:
>
> I'll try to dig through the archives later this week. In the mean
> time, if anyone has ideas that they have proposed that they would
like
> included please mail them to me directly (eness@**********.com or
> nemein@*********.com). I'll dump them on a page with applicable
> references back to the originator (email/web).
>

I have been archiving most of the card ideas, though not all. Can you
read and or use an Access database? If so I could send you my
database containing the NERPS expansion set.

===
Andrew Payne III
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Message no. 16
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Cards that give money
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:46:18 -0700
Andrew Payne III wrote:
>
> ---Nemein wrote:
> >
> > I'll try to dig through the archives later this week. In the mean
> > time, if anyone has ideas that they have proposed that they would
> like
> > included please mail them to me directly (eness@**********.com or
> > nemein@*********.com). I'll dump them on a page with applicable
> > references back to the originator (email/web).

> I have been archiving most of the card ideas, though not all. Can you
> read and or use an Access database? If so I could send you my
> database containing the NERPS expansion set.

I would be verrry interested in this.. I'm just about to post my "High
Seas" set (off of Cyberpirates - I have a tendency to use sourcebooks
before they've been released yet.)

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