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Message no. 1
From: Jon Edwards <jonathan.edwards@*****.COM>
Subject: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:30:04 -0700
<snip>
>BTW - does anyone else think that bounty hunter is a little
> too powerful. I put at least one in each of my decks,
> because it really is easier to use. Costs less than
> a wanted less risk involved, and you can kill off the
> torgos and squarrrrrks fairly cheaply.
<snip>

If there was really no way to counter B.H., then I'd agree. As it is:

<card snip>
Bounty Hunter
Type: Contact
Rarity: Common
Description: 3¥. Use Bounty Hunter during any Shadowrun phase against any
Runner
who has just pulled out of a Shadowrun. X¥: Roll a D6. 1: Target evades
Bounty Hunter. 2-5: Target Runner is slain (Trash target Runner). 6: Bounty
Hunter is
killed (trash bounty hunter). X= Body of target Runner.Notes:
Illustrator: Tom Baxa
<card snip>

You've got a two in six chance to choke, one in six of that you're Bounty
Hunter will croak. Admittedly, that gives a person a good chance at losing
a runner, but Even Stevens and Elven Hitmen give returning Shadowrunners a
chance to protect themselves. Another good card, although I don't know if
it's worth using a rare for, would be State Of Confusion. Kill your
opponents' Shady Manager or Squatter. Bounty Hunters miss too....
"Sorry...I thought you were someone else...."

Cheers,

Jon
Message no. 2
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:40:03 -0700
Jon Edwards <jonathan.edwards@*****.com> wrote:
>You've got a two in six chance to choke, one in six of that you're Bounty
>Hunter will croak. Admittedly, that gives a person a good chance at losing
>a runner, but Even Stevens and Elven Hitmen give returning Shadowrunners a
>chance to protect themselves. Another good card, although I don't know if
>it's worth using a rare for, would be State Of Confusion. Kill your
>opponents' Shady Manager or Squatter. Bounty Hunters miss too....
>"Sorry...I thought you were someone else...."

I think SoC only works against specials, not contacts.

David
Message no. 3
From: Jon Edwards <jonathan.edwards@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:51:13 -0700
At 09:40 AM 5/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Jon Edwards <jonathan.edwards@*****.com> wrote:
>>You've got a two in six chance to choke, one in six of that you're Bounty
>>Hunter will croak. Admittedly, that gives a person a good chance at losing
>>a runner, but Even Stevens and Elven Hitmen give returning Shadowrunners a
>>chance to protect themselves. Another good card, although I don't know if
>>it's worth using a rare for, would be State Of Confusion. Kill your
>>opponents' Shady Manager or Squatter. Bounty Hunters miss too....
>>"Sorry...I thought you were someone else...."
>
>I think SoC only works against specials, not contacts.
>
>David
>
You are correct, sir. Seems that if I would read the cards, I'd probably
have a chance at winning a game or two! ;-)
Message no. 4
From: Noah Overton <NOAH_OVERTON@*************.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:55:26 -0700

BTW - does anyone else think that bounty hunter is a little
> too powerful. I put at least one in each of my decks,
> because it really is easier to use. Costs less than
> a wanted less risk involved, and you can kill off the
> torgos and squarrrrrks fairly cheaply.

I dont think it is that cheap.
X¥: Roll a D6. 1: Target evades Bounty Hunter. 2-5: Target Runner=
is
slain (Trash target Runner). 6: Bounty Hunter is
killed (trash bounty hunter). X= Body of target Runner

X= Body of runner, not current body of runner.
just my guess but would that not make torgo and other big body
guy cost alot.

<card snip>
>Bounty Hunter
>Type: Contact
>Rarity: Common
>Description: 3¥. Use Bounty Hunter during any Shadowrun phase ag=
ainst
>any Runner
>who has just pulled out of a Shadowrun. X¥: Roll a D6. 1: Target=

>evades Bounty Hunter. 2-5: Target Runner is slain (Trash target
>Runner). 6: Bounty Hunter is
>killed (trash bounty hunter). X= Body of target Runner.Notes:
>Illustrator: Tom Baxa
><card snip>
Message no. 5
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:49:10 PDT
> BTW - does anyone else think that bounty hunter is a little
> > too powerful. I put at least one in each of my decks,
> > because it really is easier to use. Costs less than
> > a wanted less risk involved, and you can kill off the
> > torgos and squarrrrrks fairly cheaply.

>
> I dont think it is that cheap.
> X¥: Roll a D6. 1: Target evades Bounty Hunter. 2-5: Target
Runner is slain (Trash target Runner). 6: Bounty Hunter is
> killed (trash bounty hunter). X= Body of target Runner
> X=the Body of runner, not current body of runner.
> just my guess but would that not make torgo and other big body
> guy cost alot.
>
I've already asked about this and if memory serves it is the
current body of the runner. Not what is on the card. To kill off
a healthy squarrrrrrk with dermal plating would cost 10¥, but to
kill of a squarrrrrk with only 2 points of body left only costs
2¥ . . . that is the power of the bounty Hunter.

*** In ruling, the Sage attends to the heart, not the eye ***
*** - Tao ***


Donald Arganbright
Jayden Stormwalker


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Message no. 6
From: Jon Edwards <jonathan.edwards@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:37:24 -0700
> I've already asked about this and if memory serves it is the
>current body of the runner. Not what is on the card. To kill off
>a healthy squarrrrrrk with dermal plating would cost 10¥, but to
>kill of a squarrrrrk with only 2 points of body left only costs
>2¥ . . . that is the power of the bounty Hunter.
>

I'd really be curious to see what the general consensus is on that
suggestion on this list. God, it'd be nice to actually be able to afford
to kill Skwaaaark, Grizzly, and Torgo!

;-)

Jon
Message no. 7
From: Daniel van der Graaf <dvdgraaf@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:54:26 -0400
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Hello Chummers,

Use common sense -not weasel wording. The physical situation would be =
the bounty hunter faces off against a fully tooled up opponent. =
Squarrrrrk does not remove his stuff and leave himself naked ( 2 points =
of body) just as the bounty hunter shows up .

Clone Sly-Strike

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Edwards [SMTP:jonathan.edwards@*****.COM]
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 4:37 PM
To: SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.

> I've already asked about this and if memory serves it is the
>current body of the runner. Not what is on the card. To kill off
>a healthy squarrrrrrk with dermal plating would cost 10¥, but to
>kill of a squarrrrrk with only 2 points of body left only costs
>2¥ . . . that is the power of the bounty Hunter.
>

I'd really be curious to see what the general consensus is on that
suggestion on this list. God, it'd be nice to actually be able to =
afford
to kill Skwaaaark, Grizzly, and Torgo!

;-)

Jon

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Message no. 8
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:03:01 -0700
>>>I've already asked about this and if memory serves it is the
>>>a healthy squarrrrrrk with dermal plating would cost 10¥, but to
>>>kill of a squarrrrrk with only 2 points of body left only costs
>>>2¥ . . . that is the power of the bounty Hunter.
>>>
>>I'd really be curious to see what the general consensus is on that
>>suggestion on this list. God, it'd be nice to actually be able to afford
>>to kill Skwaaaark, Grizzly, and Torgo!
>>
>Use common sense -not weasel wording. The physical situation would be the
>bounty hunter faces off against a fully tooled up opponent. Squarrrrrk
does >not remove his stuff and leave himself naked ( 2 points of body) just
as the >bounty hunter shows up .
>
No consensus needed on this one. The Official Unofficial SRTCG FAQ at
http://members.home.net/porthos/srtcg/sc_QandA.html has this ruling from=
FASA:

Q2: Regarding the Bounty Hunter, does the amount of nuyen paid always equal
the Body as printed in the Runner's threat rating? Or does the amount of
nuyen paid equal "current" body (i.e. - augmented by cyberware, decreased
by damage taken, etc.)
A2: You pay the Runner's current Body value (however it's modified--damage,
dermal plating, whatever) when using Bounty Hunter.

Call it weasel-wording if you will, it's still the word from FASA.

David
Message no. 9
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:16:00 PDT
>
>Hello Chummers,
>
>> I've already asked about this and if memory serves it is the
>>current body of the runner. Not what is on the card. To kill off
>>a healthy squarrrrrrk with dermal plating would cost 10¥, but to
>>kill of a squarrrrrk with only 2 points of body left only costs
>>2¥ . . . that is the power of the bounty Hunter.
>

>Use common sense -not weasel wording. The physical situation would be
>the bounty hunter faces off against a fully tooled up opponent.
>Squarrrrrk does not remove his stuff and leave himself naked ( 2 points
of body) just as the bounty hunter shows up .

I would disagree. Squarrrrrk comes back from a shadowrun with
only 2 body points left. Why would the bounty hunter have to
deal out 8+ points of damage just to take out the last two. Look
at it this way. My oponents Squarrrk comes home from a run with two
hitpoints. On my turn I play Riots and squarrrk takes two points
of damage killing him. To kill off a runner. You only need to do
damage equal to what damage it is left to kill it.

*** In ruling, the Sage attends to the heart, not the eye ***
*** - Tao ***


Donald Arganbright
Jayden Stormwalker


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Message no. 10
From: JD <germany@*****************.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:01:47 -0600
Hello Chummers,

Use common sense -not weasel wording. The physical situation would be
the bounty hunter faces off against a fully tooled up opponent.
Squarrrrrk does not remove his stuff and leave himself naked ( 2 points
of body) just as the bounty hunter shows up .

Clone Sly-Strike

> I've already asked about this and if memory serves it is the
>current body of the runner. Not what is on the card. To kill off
>a healthy squarrrrrrk with dermal plating would cost 10¥, but to
>kill of a squarrrrrk with only 2 points of body left only costs
>2¥ . . . that is the power of the bounty Hunter.
>

I'd really be curious to see what the general consensus is on that
suggestion on this list. God, it'd be nice to actually be able to
afford
to kill Skwaaaark, Grizzly, and Torgo!

;-)

Jon



From the Official FASA FAQ:

The Bounty Hunter card reads: "X = Body of target Runner". Does that
mean the Body of the Runner as it is printed on the card or the current
Body of the Runner (taking damage, etc. into account)?

Use the current Body of the Runner and take damage, Dermal Plating, etc.
into account.

This means that a Skwaaark coming off a shadowrun with 2 body left would
cost 4 nuyen (2 nuyen for the armor and 2 for the body).

Jon Doud
germany@*****************.com
Message no. 11
From: Quicksilver <qwksilvr@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:21:30 -0500
At 02:16 PM 5/14/98 PDT, you wrote:
>>Use common sense -not weasel wording. The physical situation would be
>>the bounty hunter faces off against a fully tooled up opponent.
>>Squarrrrrk does not remove his stuff and leave himself naked ( 2 points
>of body) just as the bounty hunter shows up .
>
> I would disagree. Squarrrrrk comes back from a shadowrun with
>only 2 body points left. Why would the bounty hunter have to
>deal out 8+ points of damage just to take out the last two. Look
>at it this way. My oponents Squarrrk comes home from a run with two
>hitpoints. On my turn I play Riots and squarrrk takes two points
>of damage killing him. To kill off a runner. You only need to do
>damage equal to what damage it is left to kill it.

Ah, but a smart bounty hunter would still be justified in charging you
full price :).

For the record, I agree w/, and play it, as FASA ruled - the cost is the
'present' body.

Hg
....an analog person, stuck, in a digital world
Message no. 12
From: Noah Overton <NOAH_OVERTON@*************.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:33:18 -0700
>From the Official FASA FAQ:

>The Bounty Hunter card reads: "X = Body of target Runner". Does that
>mean the Body of the Runner as it is printed on the card or the
>current Body of the Runner (taking damage, etc. into account)?

>Use the current Body of the Runner and take damage, Dermal Plating,
>etc. into account.

>This means that a Skwaaark coming off a shadowrun with 2 body left
>would cost 4 nuyen (2 nuyen for the armor and 2 for the body).

>Jon Doud

I would say that it only cost 2 nuyen. armor does not increase your
body count. just stops damage from source. and yes this is because
of the wording on the card. X=body not XÚmage need to kill.

Noah
Message no. 13
From: hansen <hansen@********.COM.SG>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:26:20 +0800
<SNIPAROO>
> I would disagree. Squarrrrrk comes back from a shadowrun with
>only 2 body points left. Why would the bounty hunter have to
>deal out 8+ points of damage just to take out the last two. Look
>at it this way. My oponents Squarrrk comes home from a run with two
>hitpoints. On my turn I play Riots and squarrrk takes two points
>of damage killing him. To kill off a runner. You only need to do
>damage equal to what damage it is left to kill it.

BTW, ariots cannot kill a Skwraaaaaark! with 2 body left.... In fact it
won't even hurt him..... (armor saves the day!!!!)
Message no. 14
From: hansen <hansen@********.COM.SG>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:29:03 +0800
<SNIP>
>This means that a Skwaaark coming off a shadowrun with 2 body left would
>cost 4 nuyen (2 nuyen for the armor and 2 for the body).


Nope... it mean 2Y.... 2 for the body only..... Hey he's using AP
rounds......
Message no. 15
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:55:40 PDT
>
><SNIPAROO>
>> I would disagree. Squarrrrrk comes back from a shadowrun with
>>only 2 body points left. Why would the bounty hunter have to
>>deal out 8+ points of damage just to take out the last two. Look
>>at it this way. My oponents Squarrrk comes home from a run with two
>>hitpoints. On my turn I play Riots and squarrrk takes two points
>>of damage killing him. To kill off a runner. You only need to do
>>damage equal to what damage it is left to kill it.
>
>BTW, ariots cannot kill a Skwraaaaaark! with 2 body left.... In fact it
>won't even hurt him..... (armor saves the day!!!!)
>
This was assumming riots was armor piercing. I thought it
was, but I don't have the card infront of me at the moment

*** In ruling, the Sage attends to the heart, not the eye ***
*** - Tao ***


Donald Arganbright
Jayden Stormwalker


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Message no. 16
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:12:06 -0700
At 03:55 PM 5/14/98 PDT, you wrote:
>>
>><SNIPAROO>
>>> I would disagree. Squarrrrrk comes back from a shadowrun with
>>>only 2 body points left. Why would the bounty hunter have to
>>>deal out 8+ points of damage just to take out the last two. Look
>>>at it this way. My oponents Squarrrk comes home from a run with two
>>>hitpoints. On my turn I play Riots and squarrrk takes two points
>>>of damage killing him. To kill off a runner. You only need to do
>>>damage equal to what damage it is left to kill it.
>>
>>BTW, ariots cannot kill a Skwraaaaaark! with 2 body left.... In fact it
>>won't even hurt him..... (armor saves the day!!!!)
>>
> This was assumming riots was armor piercing. I thought it
>was, but I don't have the card infront of me at the moment
>
Nope, it isn't. That's why it's good to have a Bulldog Van or two in play
before the rioting starts.

David
Message no. 17
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunter Too Powerful Q.
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:14:45 +0200
[snik-- no: snig-- no: snip!]
> > This was assumming riots was armor piercing. I thought it
> >was, but I don't have the card infront of me at the moment
> >
> Nope, it isn't. That's why it's good to have a Bulldog Van or two in play
> before the rioting starts.
>
Remember that the Runners need to be unturned to be protected - too bad
if you want to use your locations or come home from a run. ---Felix

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