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Message no. 1
From: "Jeff N." <xanatos@********.NET>
Subject: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:08:10 -0500
Hey all.

I just went to the FASA web site a short time ago,
and if you go to their "Release Schedule" you'll see at
the bottom that Corp Wars is listed as "Discontinued". :(
I guess this does not bode well for the long term future
of the game.

--
Jeff
Message no. 2
From: Zachariah Hoffman <zhoffman@*.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:08:35 -0700
We can't dispute this one. Everyone should email Fasa and ask them to at
least release the card list. I have, but one voice alone is not going to do
it.

Zach

===========================================
Zachariah Hoffman zhoffman@*.arizona.edu
Systems Analyst www.lrc.arizona.edu/ZachH
UA College of Medicine
Message no. 3
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:13:03 EST
In a message dated 11/24/98 5:10:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
zhoffman@*.ARIZONA.EDU writes:

>
> We can't dispute this one. Everyone should email Fasa and ask them to at
> least release the card list. I have, but one voice alone is not going to
do
> it.
>
> Zach
>
for those that want a list email me and ill send you a list...hell i may even
scan the cards...


brakiss
Message no. 4
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:20:34 -0800
At 05:13 PM 11/24/98 EST, Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM> wrote:
>In a message dated 11/24/98 5:10:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>zhoffman@*.ARIZONA.EDU writes:
>> We can't dispute this one. Everyone should email Fasa and ask them to at
>> least release the card list. I have, but one voice alone is not going to
>do
>> it.
>>
>> Zach
>>
>for those that want a list email me and ill send you a list...hell i may even
>scan the cards...
>
>
>brakiss
>
Doesn't this violate the non-disclosure agreement I assume you had to sign
when you became a playtester?

David
Message no. 5
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:24:33 -0800
At 03:08 PM 11/24/98 -0700, Zachariah Hoffman wrote:
>We can't dispute this one. Everyone should email Fasa and ask them to at
>least release the card list. I have, but one voice alone is not going to do
>it.
>
I'm still hoping that FASA will license the game to another company. With
Corp Wars ready to go, the new publisher would be able to get an expansion
out immediately. That's why I don't expect FASA to release the card list
any time soon.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong....

David
Message no. 6
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:01:31 EST
In a message dated 11/24/98 5:23:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
david.reis@*****.COM writes:

> Doesn't this violate the non-disclosure agreement I assume you had to si=
gn
> when you became a playtester?
>
> David
>
ummm i didn't sign anything....and even if i did think fasa has the ¥¥=
¥ to
take me to court...afraid not...

brakiss
Message no. 7
From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:40:05 -0700
At 18:01 11/24/98 -0500, Gabe Rosario wrote:

>> Doesn't this violate the non-disclosure agreement I assume you had to=
sign
>> when you became a playtester?
>>
>>
>ummm i didn't sign anything....and even if i did think fasa has the ¥¥=
¥ to
>take me to court...afraid not...

But it would mean that FASA wouldn't do anything cool for you in the
future. No more playtesting of products you were interested in, no more
advance information, etc.

I'm sure you don't care, though.

-Adam
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Message no. 8
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:42:52 EST
In a message dated 11/24/98 6:40:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
adamj@*********.HTML.COM writes:

>
> But it would mean that FASA wouldn't do anything cool for you in the
> future. No more playtesting of products you were interested in, no more
> advance information, etc.
>
> I'm sure you don't care, though.
>
> -Adam
fasa let me down...i sold all my cards anyways so i'm not playing their game
anymore anyways....so they can keep their playtesting and advanced info..

brakiss
Message no. 9
From: Jacob Spadt <banshee@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:00:57 +0000
> >>
> >for those that want a list email me and ill send you a list...hell i may even
> >scan the cards...
I would love a copy of the list or even scans of the cards.
Banshee@***.net
Message no. 10
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:38:07 -0800
---Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM> wrote:
>
> for those that want a list email me and ill send you a list...hell i may even
> scan the cards...

Gabe, I hate to say it but it's twonks with an attitude like yours that made
FASA so gun shy about going outside house for playtesting any of their lines.
Whether or not you signed anything legally binding on non-disclusore (as the
rest of us did), there's a certain gentleman's agreement and honor system
involved in playtesting.

Someone did just what you're advertising with a Shadowrun RPG sourcebook in
playtesting. Copies were scanned and distributed onlined. Granted FASA may not
have taken the peron in-question to court, but the incident burned them badly
and all playtesting was handled in-house until just very recently.

It took alot for a number of us to get in on playtesting, both SRTCG, SRRPG,
EDRPG and Battletech. It sucks that a twonk like you will tout around the fact
that they would ruin it, for whatever reason... wither craving the attention
or throwing a tantrum because a corporate decision was made to put the game on
hold.

Even if SRTCG is shelved at the moment, you don't have license to release
their material. I.E. the Earthdawn line has been officially discontinued since
June. A long awaited sourcebook, "Dragons," is in pretty much complete
pre-press form, and I was able to humb through it in preparation for judging
the ED tourney at GC'98. Since then, I've done everything I can asking for
either a hardcopy or scan of the book. You'd think since the line is
discontinued, and I'm already under playtesting and other non-disclosure
clauses, thant it would be a simple task. However, I've been informed by
varied sources that the book cannot be handed out, as third parties or FASA
may pick up the line and release the book through commercial channels.

The same would apply to Corp Wars.

You may feel from other posts that FASA may have no recourse for passing on
playtesting material, but I feel it fair to let you know I'm cc:ing this
message to the DLOH's just to give them fair warning.

-== Loki ==-
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Some of our best plans started with stupid ideas.
- Seethian, Windling Thief
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Message no. 11
From: Cédric Beudot <cbeudot@*************.FR>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:05:07 +0100
i want a copy too
cbeudot@***************

thank

Jacob Spadt a écrit :

> > >>
> > >for those that want a list email me and ill send you a list...hell i may
even
> > >scan the cards...
> I would love a copy of the list or even scans of the cards.
> Banshee@***.net
Message no. 12
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:46:37 EST
In a message dated 11/25/98 2:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
daddyjim@**********.COM writes:

>
> You may feel from other posts that FASA may have no recourse for passing on
> playtesting material, but I feel it fair to let you know I'm cc:ing this
> message to the DLOH's just to give them fair warning.
>
> -== Loki ==-
> +------------------------------
it's a list....not a spoiler list (which has the text)....which in fact from
play testing underworld some of the cards changed anyways....i feel fasa owes
it to the players to at least post the card list i mean geez ol' pete... i;m
a freaking card player and a good one at that.... and when i put my trust into
a company and get burnt that make me a very unhappy card player...so jim
please don't stick up for fasa the way you do...makes you look like a kiss
ass!!! excuse my language.... i know this isn't skuzzy's fault btw...he is a
damn good guy...and i know he wanted to put the game out...fasa just sold us
(the players) out to the mighty dollar....


so jimmy it's nothing personal with you....it just pisses me off that you
always have something to say about me or about something i said...personally i
don't give a fuck anymore..
this game is done and so is this list....so thanks for having me....it was
real, it was fun, but it wasn't real fun...

and even if they did release sometime down the road i wouldn't play even if it
was the last game left....shit i'd rather play magic and as most of you know i
hate the game...

later days

gabe "brakiss" rosario

if you're not down with me i got 2 words for ya.... you suck!!!
Message no. 13
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:50:30 +1000
>it's a list....not a spoiler list (which has the text)....which in fact from
>play testing underworld some of the cards changed anyways....i feel fasa owes
>it to the players to at least post the card list i mean geez ol' pete... i;m
>a freaking card player and a good one at that.... and when i put my trust
into
>a company and get burnt that make me a very unhappy card player...so jim
>please don't stick up for fasa the way you do...makes you look like a kiss
>ass!!! excuse my language.... i know this isn't skuzzy's fault btw...he is a
>damn good guy...and i know he wanted to put the game out...fasa just sold us
>(the players) out to the mighty dollar....

No, they didn't "sell us out to the mighty dollar". They don't owe us
_ANYTHING_. They are a corporation, and they have to make money, bottom
line. Or would you rather FASA exhaust its financial resources putting out
the SRTCG and ultimately drive themselves bankrupt because of it?

Get over it. FASA did not owe us anything. They put out a product, we
bought it. Nowhere on the product was there a warranty saying "We promise
to support this product forever and ever."

Yes, they dropped SRTCG. Yes, that _sucks_. But for God's sake, cope!
They're a company, they have to make money or THEY WILL FOLD.

>if you're not down with me i got 2 words for ya.... you suck!!!

Please, such mature and adult commentary just doesn't fit in on this list.

*sigh*

Lady Jestyr

- The Australian dream: Football, meat pies and Holden cars. -
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Message no. 14
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:05:59 EST
In a message dated 11/25/98 6:57:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jestyr@*******.COM.AU writes:

> They don't owe us
> _ANYTHING_. They are a corporation,


like hell they don't.....think about this... all the loyal fans of
srccg...they all feel screwed...so say fasa decides some where down the
road..to release a new expansion... lot of people gonna trust them again???...
i don't think so... so yes they do owe it to us to make the best quality
product out there if they want our business.. if players are happy...they
spend money...if they spend money..that puts more money in fasa....more money
for fasa means...more expansions..to make even more money....geez this isn't
freaking rocket science here....you're not building and atomic bomb here...


brak
Message no. 15
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:19:10 +1000
>> They don't owe us
>> _ANYTHING_. They are a corporation,
>
>
>like hell they don't.....think about this... all the loyal fans of
>srccg...they all feel screwed...

I beg to differ. For every ranter, there's someone who says "it sucks, but
I'll cope". We don't _all_ feel screwed, thanks.

>so say fasa decides some where down the
>road..to release a new expansion... lot of people gonna trust them
again???...
>i don't think so...

Trust hell. What's to trust? It's sitting there in the game store. You pay
your bucks, you get your packet. Why do you have to trust FASA to buy the
game?

>so yes they do owe it to us to make the best quality
>product out there if they want our business.. if players are happy...they
>spend money...if they spend money..that puts more money in fasa....more money
>for fasa means...more expansions..to make even more money....geez this isn't
>freaking rocket science here....you're not building and atomic bomb here...

Or how about... poorer sales means less profit, which means paying staff to
work on SRTCG is a bad decision if you could divert them to work on other,
more profitable projects. (Incidentally, building an atomic bomb is
actually pretty simple. It's getting your hands on the raw materials that's
the tricky bit.)

(Note that I'm not saying SRTCG didn't sell. It just obviously didn't sell
_well enough_ to justify continued support _at this time_.)

For heaven's sake - you're behaving like this was a relationship and they
dumped you! They're a company, you paid money for their products. What, you
were expecting a proposal??

Okay... I think I've said all I can say on the subject. We're evidently not
going to convince you, and you're sure as hell not going to convince me.
Let's agree to disagree, shall we?

And having said that, I don't think such discussions need to be carried on
on-list any longer. If you're so upset at FASA, refuse to play the game,
sold all your cards, won't ever buy it again - why are you still here?
Please either contribute constructively, stay quiet, or take your
persecution complex elsewhere.

Final Disclaimer: This was not said while wearing my AFL hat. These are my
personal opinions.

Thankyou.

Lady Jestyr

- The Australian dream: Football, meat pies and Holden cars. -
- Holdens are American, meat pies are British, and football is stupid. -
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Message no. 16
From: Sha'iich Desert Twister <dtelad11@*********.NET.IL>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:10:37 +0200
Zachariah Hoffman wrote:
>
> We can't dispute this one. Everyone should email Fasa and ask them to at
> least release the card list. I have, but one voice alone is not going to do
> it.
>
> Zach
>

Where can I send it to?


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Message no. 17
From: Sorrow <sorrow@*******.ORG>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:38:47 -0600
>a freaking card player and a good one at that.... and when i put my trust
into
>a company and get burnt that make me a very unhappy card player...so jim

Please explain to me exactly how it is you got burnt?
You bought some cards that, up to now, you've been playing with just
fine. So you find out that there will be no expansions (at least in the
foreseeable future). Does that make the cards you currently have any
less playable? No. Does that mean you can't have the same fun
playing the game you had say 2 or 3 months ago? No.
So, I would love to hear how you got burnt by FASA.

Sorrow
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Message no. 18
From: Jon Edwards <jonathan.edwards@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:35:38 -0800
>like hell they don't.....think about this... all the loyal fans of
>srccg...they all feel screwed...so say fasa decides some where down the
>road..to release a new expansion... lot of people gonna trust them
again???...
>i don't think so... so yes they do owe it to us to make the best quality
>product out there if they want our business.. if players are happy...they
>spend money...if they spend money..that puts more money in fasa....more money
>for fasa means...more expansions..to make even more money....geez this isn't
>freaking rocket science here....you're not building and atomic bomb here...


Gabriel, Gabriel, Gabriel.....(sigh......)


FYI. I received a very nice e-mail from Fasa Marketing just this morning.
I had asked in a message if they had considered licensing out the game. In
that message they even laid out why people wouldn't be interested in
licensing the game from FASA, some costs associated included, along with
additional environmental factors which would affect this type of decision.
This wasn't a knee-jerk decision to pull a popular game from the shelves to
make MORE money somewhere else. This is a matter of being profitable, so
they CAN retain people like Skuzzy and use their creativeness to produce
products with the hope that the market will settle enough for them to try
and release it later. This is not exactly what they said, but I believe
the inferrences can be drawn.

Just because we work to help make a game popular doesn't mean it's going to
be profitable. Some of the most popular cult classic movies from the 80's
were poor financial performers. What it appears the majority likes doesn't
mean it's bringing in the "big bucks." So, even though a game is selling,
and you're not making money on it, is that a justification to keep making
the game? No. Just like you said, it's not rocket science. I assume you
can make that logical jump with me too. No profit + Expenses = NO COMPANY.
Again, just because we support a game and it sells cards doesn't mean it's
profitable. Profit and Popularity are in some cases mutually exclusive.

Also, I am at odds about releasing the message to this site, mainly because
it was private correspondance btw. myself and FASA, and they sent the
message to me privately. Loki, e-mail me privately so we can discuss this,
ok? You seem to have a pretty good feel about what they are comfortable
with as far as their messages getting posted to list.

So Gabe, think before you jump. I know that can be difficult, especially
when it's so obvious that you're very passionate about the game, which is a
good thing. Everyone needs a little passion about something in their lives.

Cheers,

Jon
Message no. 19
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:34:36 PST
Hoi,

>> They don't owe us
>> _ANYTHING_. They are a corporation,
>
>
>like hell they don't.....think about this... all the loyal fans of
>srccg...they all feel screwed...so say fasa decides some where down
>the road..to release a new expansion... lot of people gonna trust >them
again???...

Lets see... Every morning I insert my Coke iv to get me through the day.
I play their little under the cap game every morning and have yet to
win. Now... Does coke OWE me to continue the stupid little game until I
do win... NOT Do I stop drinking coke because they stoped the game
before I can win. Do I loose faith in Coke and drink the dreaded
Pepsi... NOT.

Get with it Gabe... If you feel that every company that ever produced a
product that you bought owes you something... you going to have a long
life of dissapointment.

>i don't think so... so yes they do owe it to us to make the best
>quality product out there if they want our business.. if players are

Umm... they did make the best available product they could... up until
the point they couldn't afford to make more of it.

>happy...they spend money...if they spend money..that puts more money
>in fasa....more money for fasa means...more expansions..to make even
>more money....geez this isn't freaking rocket science here....you're
>not building and atomic bomb here...

At a small 2.99 retail price per booster (around here anyway), Fasa
probably gets back about a 1.50 of that back for every one sold. So if
the original cost was 150,000 bucks to put it all out, they would have
to sell 100,000 boosters to get back the money spent on production. For
every pack after that it is pure profit, but seeing as how that money
does not come back in one lump sum... but over years, they would have to
sell a heck of a lot more than 100,000 packs to have enough NET money at
one time to finance another expansion, and pay the bills.


*** Knife Sharpens on Stone... Man Sharpens on Man ***
*** - Tao ***

Jayden Stormwalker
Donald Arganbright


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Message no. 20
From: "O.Kramer" <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:16:41 +0100
> Okay... I think I've said all I can say on the subject. We're evidently not
> going to convince you, and you're sure as hell not going to convince me.
> Let's agree to disagree, shall we?
>
> And having said that, I don't think such discussions need to be carried on
> on-list any longer. If you're so upset at FASA, refuse to play the game,
> sold all your cards, won't ever buy it again - why are you still here?
> Please either contribute constructively, stay quiet, or take your
> persecution complex elsewhere.
>
> Final Disclaimer: This was not said while wearing my AFL hat. These are my
> personal opinions.
>
> Thankyou.
>
> Lady Jestyr
>
> - The Australian dream: Football, meat pies and Holden cars. -
> - Holdens are American, meat pies are British, and football is stupid. -
> - jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr -

I can understand all of you.
If i`m right FASA has printed to many first run cards and now they sit on it.
So, maybe they havent the money to bring out new cards.But if so why can they
bring out a new table top game ?
Maybe the sales rate is less then they need to be.But if so why they do not
answer on mail most time.I need 4 ore more mails to get an answer with not more
than 10 words.
Why I dont have read something in the newspaper about the end ?
Why there was nothing on the web side of FASA ?

I think the worth of a man is the worth of his worth and with the relesedates on
the web side and in the magacines they have give us the word that corp war will
relesed THIS YEAR.

But thats just the way i think about it.

OLAF

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Message no. 21
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:08:55 +1000
>I can understand all of you.
>If i`m right FASA has printed to many first run cards and now they sit on it.
>So, maybe they havent the money to bring out new cards.But if so why can they
>bring out a new table top game ?

Presumably because they thought a new tabletop game had the potential for
bringing them a lot more money than the card game, which has already been
tried and failed to live up to their expectations.

>Maybe the sales rate is less then they need to be.But if so why they do not
>answer on mail most time.I need 4 ore more mails to get an answer with not
more
>than 10 words.

1. They're busy. Jim, for a start, has been tied up lately doing an art
piece for Renraku Arcology: Shutdown for the RPG.

2. All the staff wear many hats. Hell, I got a response to one of my emails
about the SRTCG (just a simple one about card distribution) from Jill
Lucas, the president of the company. Obviously it was just her turn to
check the mail that day. Whatever, that means that they all have more
urgent things to do than answer their email about a game that's not making
them much money anyway.

3. Many of them aren't that internet-literate. Although this is changing...

>Why I dont have read something in the newspaper about the end ?
>Why there was nothing on the web side of FASA ?

The newspaper? Why would the newspaper have anything about it? And as for
the web site, well, that's always been notoriously out-of date.

Lady Jestyr

- The Australian dream: Football, meat pies and Holden cars. -
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Message no. 22
From: "O.Kramer" <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:38:53 +0100
Donald Arganbright schrieb:

>
> At a small 2.99 retail price per booster (around here anyway), Fasa
> probably gets back about a 1.50 of that back for every one sold. So if
> the original cost was 150,000 bucks to put it all out, they would have
> to sell 100,000 boosters to get back the money spent on production. For
> every pack after that it is pure profit, but seeing as how that money
> does not come back in one lump sum... but over years, they would have to
> sell a heck of a lot more than 100,000 packs to have enough NET money at
> one time to finance another expansion, and pay the bills.
>
>
> *** Knife Sharpens on Stone... Man Sharpens on Man ***
> *** - Tao ***
>
> Jayden Stormwalker
> Donald Arganbright
>
>
Hi,

its only fiction but i think its worth to think about it.

Lets say we whoud buy our packs direcly by FASA and we pay 2.99 per booster.
Howmany people are online and howmany friends of them play SRTCG ? 300 ? maybe.
Ok, 150.000 Booster : 300 fans = 500 Booster per fan. To many ? No, everey body
knows some stores. If we can handle it that some stores order some displays it is
posible for us to keep it alive.Whats you think about that ??

OLAF
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Message no. 23
From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:20:18 -0700
At 22:38 11/25/98 +0100, O.Kramer wrote:

>Lets say we whoud buy our packs direcly by FASA and we pay 2.99 per booster.
>Howmany people are online and howmany friends of them play SRTCG ? 300 ?
maybe.
>Ok, 150.000 Booster : 300 fans = 500 Booster per fan. To many ? No, everey
body
>knows some stores. If we can handle it that some stores order some displays
>it is
>posible for us to keep it alive.Whats you think about that ??

Err.. .this is exactly what FASA has already done. They've let people order
the game online, they've sent cases to distributors to go to game shops,
they've sent cases to online retailers like All Star Trading Cards.

Their efforts failed. Pure and simple.

-Adam J
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Message no. 24
From: "O.Kramer" <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:20:20 +0100
Adam J schrieb:
> At 22:38 11/25/98 +0100, O.Kramer wrote:
>
> >Lets say we whoud buy our packs direcly by FASA and we pay 2.99 per booster.
> >Howmany people are online and howmany friends of them play SRTCG ? 300 ?
> maybe.
> >Ok, 150.000 Booster : 300 fans = 500 Booster per fan. To many ? No, everey
> body
> >knows some stores. If we can handle it that some stores order some displays
> >it is
> >posible for us to keep it alive.Whats you think about that ??
>
> Err.. .this is exactly what FASA has already done. They've let people order
> the game online, they've sent cases to distributors to go to game shops,
> they've sent cases to online retailers like All Star Trading Cards.
>
> Their efforts failed. Pure and simple.
>
> -Adam J
> --
I dont think its the same even if it looks like.
Fasa hase produce a game and then they haved searched for consumers.
I want search for consumers to bring up enougth money for FASA to print the
expansion. You see, FASA is walking from point A to point B and I want walk from
point B to point A.
I have no problem with spending my money and waiting for the cards untill they
have printed them and if we find more guy like me, I think its possible to keep
it alive.And if FASA whoud send some starter boxes to the costumer and the
costumer whoud pay it after sale it we have a chance to bring new gamers to the
game.
I know terible english and many "if" but I belive it can work if(one more of
them) we all whoud help and if(the last one) FASA whoud acept the idea.
BTW, there are some guys on the list that want help to keep it alive.Do they have
no meaning about this idea ???

OLAF
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Message no. 25
From: Mazer <talos187@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:56:56 -0800
> I know terible english

Better than my German, neh?
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peace be thy path,

talos landone
Message no. 26
From: "O.Kramer" <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 08:51:52 +0100
Mazer schrieb:
> > I know terible english
>
> Better than my German, neh?
> --
>
> peace be thy path,
>
> talos landone

I dont know your german,so I cant say anythink about it.

OLAF
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Message no. 27
From: Dedog Schwarz <dedog@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:39:36 PST
Hey whats this I here about fasa not releasing corp war?Why aren't they
gonna release it?After all if they did release it they'd be makn' alota
$$$$.SO why don't they just release it??

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Message no. 28
From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:50:45 -0700
At 14:39 11/29/98 -0800, Dedog Schwarz wrote:
>Hey whats this I here about fasa not releasing corp war?Why aren't they
>gonna release it?After all if they did release it they'd be makn' alota
>$$$$.SO why don't they just release it??

They've delayed it indefinately. Printing the cards and the other stuff
that goes along with them will cost in the range of 150,000 dollars
american, and they obviously haven't sold well enough to warrant that cost
when FASA can devote their time, efforts, and money into their older solid
game lines (Shadowrun and Battletech), as well as their two upcoming games,
Crimson Skies and Carniverse.

-Adam
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Message no. 29
From: Joshua Cho <YuHyunCho@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp Wars Discontinued
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:22:27 EST
can I have the card list?

jc

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