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Message no. 1
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:13:33 +0200
Here´s the deck I promised. If people try to win tourneys with bruiser
decks, use this one to discourage them. I can´t hinder you from playing
this just to win a tourney, but I hope you won´t - it´s just too cheesy.
If you wonder if we actually built this: yes we did, and my buddy
actually owns all the cards.

Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist
(Guru point if you know where this title comes from)

Runners:
Glitz x2
Thrash x4
Stomper x4
Louie da´ Bruiser x4
Lord Torgo

Gear:
Monowhip x2
Lucky Wabbit´s Foot x2
Bulldog Van x2
Katana x4

Specials/ Stingers:
GAQ x4
LotI x4
Wanted x3
False Mentor
Just A Rumor
Blindsided
Nerps!

Locations/ Contacts:
Media Chick x2
Mr. Johnson
Shady Manager
Dante´s Inferno x2

Challenges:
Booby Trap x4
Nets x4
Maglocks x3
Flock Of Geese x2
Motion Detector
Guardian Dracoform
Incubus
Heavy Sentry Gun
Widow´s Trap

Objectives:
Wake the Dead x3
Urban Brawl x3

Cards Total: 64/ 6

Guilty of this deck are Olaf Kramer and Felix Hoefert. Tell me what you
think. ---Felix
Message no. 2
From: hansen <hansen@********.COM.SG>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:51:18 +0800
>Here´s the deck I promised. If people try to win tourneys with bruiser
>decks, use this one to discourage them. I can´t hinder you from playing
>this just to win a tourney, but I hope you won´t - it´s just too cheesy.
>If you wonder if we actually built this: yes we did, and my buddy
>actually owns all the cards.
>
>Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist
>(Guru point if you know where this title comes from)
>
>Runners:
>Glitz x2
>Thrash x4
>Stomper x4
>Louie da´ Bruiser x4
>Lord Torgo
>
>Gear:
>Monowhip x2
>Lucky Wabbit´s Foot x2
>Bulldog Van x2
>Katana x4
>
>Specials/ Stingers:
>GAQ x4
>LotI x4
>Wanted x3
>False Mentor
>Just A Rumor
>Blindsided
>Nerps!
>
>Locations/ Contacts:
>Media Chick x2
>Mr. Johnson
>Shady Manager
>Dante´s Inferno x2
>
>Challenges:
>Booby Trap x4
>Nets x4
>Maglocks x3
>Flock Of Geese x2
>Motion Detector
>Guardian Dracoform
>Incubus
>Heavy Sentry Gun
>Widow´s Trap
>
>Objectives:
>Wake the Dead x3
>Urban Brawl x3
>
>Cards Total: 64/ 6
>
>Guilty of this deck are Olaf Kramer and Felix Hoefert. Tell me what you
>think. ---Felix


Eeeeewwwh!!! I used to play a deck like this and it was so obscenely
powerful that I dismantled it.
Message no. 3
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:27:03 -0700
Felix Hoefert wrote:

> Runners:
> Glitz x2
> Thrash x4
> Stomper x4
> Louie da´ Bruiser x4
> Lord Torgo

Wow. You used Glitz. :)

> Gear:
> Monowhip x2
> Lucky Wabbit´s Foot x2
> Bulldog Van x2
> Katana x4

Drop the Monowhips for two more Bulldog Vans.

> Specials/ Stingers:
> GAQ x4
> LotI x4
> Wanted x3
> False Mentor
> Just A Rumor
> Blindsided
> Nerps!

I'd probably sub in at least two Cover Ups (especially after the Bulldog
Vans are added.)

> Locations/ Contacts:
> Media Chick x2
> Mr. Johnson
> Shady Manager
> Dante´s Inferno x2

I'd sub the Mr. Johnson for another Shady Manager (that way you can
protect yourself and zap the other guy.)

> Challenges:
> Booby Trap x4
> Nets x4
> Maglocks x3
> Flock Of Geese x2
> Motion Detector
> Guardian Dracoform
> Incubus
> Heavy Sentry Gun
> Widow´s Trap

Drop the number of Challenges even lower (since it's a sixty-four card
deck, slip four of them out.)

No, serious; this means you can choose to trash your starting hand in
case you don't get the Stomper-Katana draw. Doesn't mean your next hand
will be any better, but hey.

Sinec you've got all these big guys, intercepts should take the place of
Challenges for you.

> Objectives:
> Wake the Dead x3
> Urban Brawl x3

No more than necessary. :)

> Cards Total: 64/ 6


...You wanted cheese, you got cheese.


- Matt

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Message no. 4
From: Puckstpr <Puckstpr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:05:33 EDT
>Here´s the deck I promised. If people try to win tourneys with bruiser
>decks, use this one to discourage them. I can´t hinder you from playing
>this just to win a tourney, but I hope you won´t - it´s just too cheesy.
>If you wonder if we actually built this: yes we did, and my buddy
>actually owns all the cards.
>
>Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist
>(Guru point if you know where this title comes from)
>
>Runners:
>Glitz x2
>Thrash x4
>Stomper x4
>Louie da´ Bruiser x4
>Lord Torgo
>
>Gear:
>Monowhip x2
>Lucky Wabbit´s Foot x2
>Bulldog Van x2
>Katana x4
>
>Specials/ Stingers:
>GAQ x4
>LotI x4
>Wanted x3
>False Mentor
>Just A Rumor
>Blindsided
>Nerps!
>
>Locations/ Contacts:
>Media Chick x2
>Mr. Johnson
>Shady Manager
>Dante´s Inferno x2
>
>Challenges:
>Booby Trap x4
>Nets x4
>Maglocks x3
>Flock Of Geese x2
>Motion Detector
>Guardian Dracoform
>Incubus
>Heavy Sentry Gun
>Widow´s Trap
>
>Objectives:
>Wake the Dead x3
>Urban Brawl x3
>
>Cards Total: 64/ 6
>
>Guilty of this deck are Olaf Kramer and Felix Hoefert. Tell me what you
>think. ---Felix

this looks like a mean deck.

shall we look at ways to stop said deck.

Humanis policlub ganger-- target troll.

Metahuman Prejudice ---- especially Torgo

Poor Craftsmanship--- Monos and Katanas

Jade --- keep them turned

Loki ---- put the hurt on

Holmes and Suicidal Tendencies ---- any of the runners.

In-Fighting --- make hurt his own Rockers.

In the Spotlight --- only one of each troll

Conflicting Loyalties ---- frag one runner

Some Thing Never Change --- make them face the challenges

Shady Manager --- take there Money

your Objectives -
Humanis Policlub Rally -- hamper them trolls.

The Ghost Dance -- play with some conjure take out them Dante's Inferno

use Change of Plans --- make run on your Objectives

well there are a few ways to play against this and other troll Bully Decks
can you think of more?

lets find a way to keep these Troll/Bully/Bug/WtD Decks down

Puckstpr
Message no. 5
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:13:14 +0200
Matb wrote:
>
> Felix Hoefert wrote:
>
> > Runners:
> > Glitz x2
> > Thrash x4
> > Stomper x4
> > Louie da´ Bruiser x4
> > Lord Torgo
>
> Wow. You used Glitz. :)
>
> > Gear:
> > Monowhip x2
> > Lucky Wabbit´s Foot x2
> > Bulldog Van x2
> > Katana x4
>
> Drop the Monowhips for two more Bulldog Vans.
>
> > Specials/ Stingers:
> > GAQ x4
> > LotI x4
> > Wanted x3
> > False Mentor
> > Just A Rumor
> > Blindsided
> > Nerps!
>
> I'd probably sub in at least two Cover Ups (especially after the Bulldog
> Vans are added.)
>
> > Locations/ Contacts:
> > Media Chick x2
> > Mr. Johnson
> > Shady Manager
> > Dante´s Inferno x2
>
> I'd sub the Mr. Johnson for another Shady Manager (that way you can
> protect yourself and zap the other guy.)
>
> > Challenges:
> > Booby Trap x4
> > Nets x4
> > Maglocks x3
> > Flock Of Geese x2
> > Motion Detector
> > Guardian Dracoform
> > Incubus
> > Heavy Sentry Gun
> > Widow´s Trap
>
> Drop the number of Challenges even lower (since it's a sixty-four card
> deck, slip four of them out.)
>
> No, serious; this means you can choose to trash your starting hand in
> case you don't get the Stomper-Katana draw. Doesn't mean your next hand
> will be any better, but hey.
>
> Sinec you've got all these big guys, intercepts should take the place of
> Challenges for you.
>
> > Objectives:
> > Wake the Dead x3
> > Urban Brawl x3
>
> No more than necessary. :)
>
> > Cards Total: 64/ 6
>
> ...You wanted cheese, you got cheese.
>
Thanks. Your comments seem quite useful. Lets see what happens in the
tourney tomorrow. I bet I can out-cheese them all...

Felix
Message no. 6
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:09:44 +0200
Puckstpr wrote:
>
> >Here´s the deck I promised. If people try to win tourneys with bruiser
> >decks, use this one to discourage them. I can´t hinder you from playing
> >this just to win a tourney, but I hope you won´t - it´s just too cheesy.
> >If you wonder if we actually built this: yes we did, and my buddy
> >actually owns all the cards.
> >
> >Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist
> >(Guru point if you know where this title comes from)
> >
> >Runners:
> >Glitz x2
> >Thrash x4
> >Stomper x4
> >Louie da´ Bruiser x4
> >Lord Torgo
> >
> >Gear:
> >Monowhip x2
> >Lucky Wabbit´s Foot x2
> >Bulldog Van x2
> >Katana x4
> >
> >Specials/ Stingers:
> >GAQ x4
> >LotI x4
> >Wanted x3
> >False Mentor
> >Just A Rumor
> >Blindsided
> >Nerps!
> >
> >Locations/ Contacts:
> >Media Chick x2
> >Mr. Johnson
> >Shady Manager
> >Dante´s Inferno x2
> >
> >Challenges:
> >Booby Trap x4
> >Nets x4
> >Maglocks x3
> >Flock Of Geese x2
> >Motion Detector
> >Guardian Dracoform
> >Incubus
> >Heavy Sentry Gun
> >Widow´s Trap
> >
> >Objectives:
> >Wake the Dead x3
> >Urban Brawl x3
> >
> >Cards Total: 64/ 6
> >
> >Guilty of this deck are Olaf Kramer and Felix Hoefert. Tell me what you
> >think. ---Felix
>
> this looks like a mean deck.
>
> shall we look at ways to stop said deck.
>
> Humanis policlub ganger-- target troll.
>
> Metahuman Prejudice ---- especially Torgo
>
> Poor Craftsmanship--- Monos and Katanas
>
> Jade --- keep them turned
>
> Loki ---- put the hurt on
>
> Holmes and Suicidal Tendencies ---- any of the runners.
>
> In-Fighting --- make hurt his own Rockers.
>
> In the Spotlight --- only one of each troll
>
> Conflicting Loyalties ---- frag one runner
>
> Some Thing Never Change --- make them face the challenges
>
> Shady Manager --- take there Money
>
> your Objectives -
> Humanis Policlub Rally -- hamper them trolls.
>
> The Ghost Dance -- play with some conjure take out them Dante's Inferno
>
> use Change of Plans --- make run on your Objectives
>
> well there are a few ways to play against this and other troll Bully Decks
> can you think of more?
>
> lets find a way to keep these Troll/Bully/Bug/WtD Decks down
>
A lot of cards - none will stop this deck from winning. This deck needs
no more than 5 or 6 turns to win an 80 point one-on-one game (which it
was designed for). We´ve playtested this against any possible
configuration mentioned above - and it wins every time. If you build
your deck with the above (and you need a lot of them), you will not be
able to score many points yourself. ---Felix
Message no. 7
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:20:10 -0700
Felix Hoefert wrote:

> Thanks. Your comments seem quite useful. Lets see what happens in the
> tourney tomorrow. I bet I can out-cheese them all...

Actually, since this is meant to be an anti-Wake the Dead deck, you
might want to add an In The Spotlight (which someone mentioned as an
anti-this deck strategy). It's only 1Y, meaning you can put Stomper out
*and* In The Spotlight on the first turn, so no one else can put him
into play. Since everyone else is playing with four Stompers in the
deck...

Not sure what cards to sub out for it. Maybe two of the GAQs.

So the ideal situation becomes:

Turn one: Draw Stomper, Katana, In The Spotlight, Cover Up, random four
other cards (preferably *not* Challenges!) Deploy Stomper, play In The
Spotlight on him.

Turn two: Collect nuyen instead of cards, play a Cover Up on your
opponent's objective (preventing them from running against it on their
turn), deploy the katana, and get goin'. Assuming the worst, you end up
scoring the Reputation and Stomper winds up with six points of damage.

Looking at things this way, you might want to sub out the Glitzes for
Hawkwinds (since running twice in a row becomes a main strategy).

Incidentally, you might want to replace one of the Urban Brawls with a
fourth Wake the Dead.

Cheese almighty. :)


- Matt

------------------------------------
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For I am drunk and full of reasons....

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Message no. 8
From: Puckstpr <Puckstpr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:12:25 EDT
In a message dated 98-05-03 19:42:21 EDT, you write:

> > this looks like a mean deck.
> >
> > shall we look at ways to stop said deck.
> >
> > Humanis policlub ganger-- target troll.
> >
> > Metahuman Prejudice ---- especially Torgo
> >
> > Poor Craftsmanship--- Monos and Katanas
> >
> > Jade --- keep them turned
> >
> > Loki ---- put the hurt on
> >
> > Holmes and Suicidal Tendencies ---- any of the runners.
> >
> > In-Fighting --- make hurt his own Rockers.
> >
> > In the Spotlight --- only one of each troll
> >
> > Conflicting Loyalties ---- frag one runner
> >
> > Some Thing Never Change --- make them face the challenges
> >
> > Shady Manager --- take there Money
> >
> > your Objectives -
> > Humanis Policlub Rally -- hamper them trolls.
> >
> > The Ghost Dance -- play with some conjure take out them Dante's Inferno
> >
> > use Change of Plans --- make run on your Objectives
> >
> > well there are a few ways to play against this and other troll Bully
Decks
> > can you think of more?
> >
> > lets find a way to keep these Troll/Bully/Bug/WtD Decks down
> >
> A lot of cards - none will stop this deck from winning. This deck needs
> no more than 5 or 6 turns to win an 80 point one-on-one game (which it
> was designed for). We´ve playtested this against any possible
> configuration mentioned above - and it wins every time. If you build
> your deck with the above (and you need a lot of them), you will not be
> able to score many points yourself. ---Felix
>
it does not take all of these cards and they all will slow this deck down.

and if this is the deck that wins every game why would any one want to play
against you/it. nothing personal but i think it is better to find ways to make
the
game fun not just i can beat you in six turns. whice i dont think is very
reallistic.
it may win quick but not 6 tunrs.
it takes two tunrs to get out your runner and his weapon and take frist
objective.
then two turns just to be able to run your next objective. two more to run the
third.
i guess that would work with all urban brawl with 35 point but you could lose
your
runner on that one too. if the dice dont like you.

does any one else think that UB has a to high of a point total for what you
have to face.

puckstpr
Message no. 9
From: hansen <hansen@********.COM.SG>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 02:11:37 +0800
>In a message dated 98-05-03 19:42:21 EDT, you write:
>
>> > this looks like a mean deck.
>> >
>> > shall we look at ways to stop said deck.
>> >
>> > Humanis policlub ganger-- target troll.
>> >
>> > Metahuman Prejudice ---- especially Torgo
>> >
>> > Poor Craftsmanship--- Monos and Katanas
>> >
>> > Jade --- keep them turned
>> >
>> > Loki ---- put the hurt on
>> >
>> > Holmes and Suicidal Tendencies ---- any of the runners.
>> >
>> > In-Fighting --- make hurt his own Rockers.
>> >
>> > In the Spotlight --- only one of each troll
>> >
>> > Conflicting Loyalties ---- frag one runner
>> >
>> > Some Thing Never Change --- make them face the challenges
>> >
>> > Shady Manager --- take there Money
>> >
>> > your Objectives -
>> > Humanis Policlub Rally -- hamper them trolls.
>> >
>> > The Ghost Dance -- play with some conjure take out them Dante's
Inferno
>> >
>> > use Change of Plans --- make run on your Objectives
>> >

<SNIP>
>>
>it does not take all of these cards and they all will slow this deck down.
>
>and if this is the deck that wins every game why would any one want to play
>against you/it. nothing personal but i think it is better to find ways to
make
>the
>game fun not just i can beat you in six turns. whice i dont think is very
>reallistic.
>it may win quick but not 6 tunrs.
>it takes two tunrs to get out your runner and his weapon and take frist
>objective.
>then two turns just to be able to run your next objective. two more to run
the
>third.
>i guess that would work with all urban brawl with 35 point but you could
lose
>your
>runner on that one too. if the dice dont like you.
>
>does any one else think that UB has a to high of a point total for what you
>have to face.
>
>puckstpr

Not really, You do have to keep the runner you assign as ball carrier alive
to score... just get rid of the the ball carrier (GAQ,etc,etc) after some
runner have died (hopefully) or all have got wounded (definately) the
restock UB....
Message no. 10
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:55:29 +0200
hansen wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 98-05-03 19:42:21 EDT, you write:
> >
> >> > this looks like a mean deck.
> >> >
> >> > shall we look at ways to stop said deck.
> >> >
> >> > Humanis policlub ganger-- target troll.
> >> >
> >> > Metahuman Prejudice ---- especially Torgo
> >> >
> >> > Poor Craftsmanship--- Monos and Katanas
> >> >
> >> > Jade --- keep them turned
> >> >
> >> > Loki ---- put the hurt on
> >> >
> >> > Holmes and Suicidal Tendencies ---- any of the runners.
> >> >
> >> > In-Fighting --- make hurt his own Rockers.
> >> >
> >> > In the Spotlight --- only one of each troll
> >> >
> >> > Conflicting Loyalties ---- frag one runner
> >> >
> >> > Some Thing Never Change --- make them face the challenges
> >> >
> >> > Shady Manager --- take there Money
> >> >
> >> > your Objectives -
> >> > Humanis Policlub Rally -- hamper them trolls.
> >> >
> >> > The Ghost Dance -- play with some conjure take out them Dante's
> Inferno
> >> >
> >> > use Change of Plans --- make run on your Objectives
> >> >
>
> <SNIP>
> >>
> >it does not take all of these cards and they all will slow this deck down.
> >
> >and if this is the deck that wins every game why would any one want to play
> >against you/it. nothing personal but i think it is better to find ways to
> make
> >the
> >game fun not just i can beat you in six turns. whice i dont think is very
> >reallistic.
> >it may win quick but not 6 tunrs.
> >it takes two tunrs to get out your runner and his weapon and take frist
> >objective.
> >then two turns just to be able to run your next objective. two more to run
> the
> >third.
> >i guess that would work with all urban brawl with 35 point but you could
> lose
> >your
> >runner on that one too. if the dice dont like you.
> >
> >does any one else think that UB has a to high of a point total for what you
> >have to face.
> >
> >puckstpr
>
> Not really, You do have to keep the runner you assign as ball carrier alive
> to score... just get rid of the the ball carrier (GAQ,etc,etc) after some
> runner have died (hopefully) or all have got wounded (definately) the
> restock UB....
Plus you can´t use magic against UB teams. ---Felix
Message no. 11
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:32:21 -0700
>Plus you can´t use magic against UB teams. ---Felix
>
You lost me there. Why not?

David
Message no. 12
From: hansen <hansen@********.COM.SG>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 04:32:16 +0800
>>Plus you can´t use magic against UB teams. ---Felix
>>
>You lost me there. Why not?
>
>David


Sorry Felix, I think your confused with another card. You can use magic.
Nowhere on the card does it say that magic is disallowed.
Message no. 13
From: Puckstpr <Puckstpr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:36:53 EDT
In a message dated 98-05-04 16:23:02 EDT, you write:

> > >does any one else think that UB has a to high of a point total for what
> you
> > >have to face.
> > >
> > >puckstpr
> >
> > Not really, You do have to keep the runner you assign as ball carrier
> alive
> > to score... just get rid of the the ball carrier (GAQ,etc,etc) after some
> > runner have died (hopefully) or all have got wounded (definately) the
> > restock UB....
> Plus you can´t use magic against UB teams. ---Felix
>
why cant you use magic against UB teams --- puckstpr
Message no. 14
From: Norman McLeod <mcleodn@***********.NET>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:53:07 -0400
>> Runners:
>> Glitz x2
>> Thrash x4
>> Stomper x4
>> Louie da´ Bruiser x4
>> Lord Torgo

>Wow. You used Glitz. :)

Why not, my deck has four and no other rockers.
Message no. 15
From: Joshua Bell <joshbell@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:32:05 -0400
At 06:53 PM 5/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>> Runners:
>>> Glitz x2
>>> Thrash x4
>>> Stomper x4
>>> Louie da´ Bruiser x4
>>> Lord Torgo
>
>>Wow. You used Glitz. :)
>
>Why not, my deck has four and no other rockers.
>

I have two Glitz and 4 Thrash, I don't use many Glitz(s) because they are
so easy to off with Riots (2 damage to all runners). So I pack a Bulldog
to keep them alive. Still its a risk, if I need "FAME" bad AND don't have
the Van, I would rather draw a Thrash.
Message no. 16
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:33:22 -0700
hansen wrote:

> Sorry Felix, I think your confused with another card. You can use magic.
> Nowhere on the card does it say that magic is disallowed.

You can use magic - but not Sleep or Invisibility (let's face it, the
top two Magic cards in the game). Fireball, sure.


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Message no. 17
From: Phil Jaros <chakan@****.PYROTECHNICS.COM>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 00:42:06 -0500
>Here´s the deck I promised. If people try to win tourneys with bruiser
>decks, use this one to discourage them. I can´t hinder you from playing
>this just to win a tourney, but I hope you won´t - it´s just too cheesy.
>If you wonder if we actually built this: yes we did, and my buddy
>actually owns all the cards.

<Deck deleted to save space>

OK, over the weekend I made this deck card for card (well actually
I traded in a Wake the Dead in for the third Urban Brawl), and tonight I put
it up against my shaman deck with one of my friends. Of the four games
we played the Shaman Deck won three of them and the one it lost was
a very close game. We each played the troll deck twice to balance out
the player factor if there was one...

Was the deck you posted the nasty version of the deck, or just what you
built to counter it?

The contents of my Shaman deck are the following:

60/10

Runners: 13
1 Drake
4 Hawkwind
1 Knuckles
4 Moon Shadow
1 Stomper
1 Tin Man
1 Titan

Gear: 10
4 Ally Spirit
1 Jinx Spirit
1 Protective Spirit
2 Beretta
2 Doc Wagon Platinum

Contacts: 2
1 Shady Manager
1 Squatter

Location: 1
1 Club Vortex

Specials: 14
1 All or Nothing
4 Bear Totem
1 Blindsided
1 Even Steven
1 Green Apple Quick Steps
1 In-Fighting
1 Luck o' the Irish
1 Moonlighting
1 Reinforcements
2 Tactics: Converge

Challenges: 20
1 Chomps-2000 Guard Dog
1 Elite Security Mage
1 Fusion Gate
1 Guardian Dracoform
2 Hellhound
2 Hellish Traffic
1 Highway Showdown
2 Hunting Gargoyle
2 Killer Drone
1 Maglocks
1 Mine Field
1 The Big Chase
1 Widow's Trap
2 Yakuza Assassin
1 Yakuza Hit Squad

Objectives: 10

4 Haunted High Rise
2 Operation Cottonmouth
4 Sucker Run


I'll put it up against my R-3 deck this weekend and see how it goes. I
still don't think big bruiser decks are a huge problem. I might switch
up the Troll deck a bit too since I think a few changes could make it
stronger.

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Message no. 18
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:55:11 +0200
Phil Jaros wrote:
>
> >Here´s the deck I promised. If people try to win tourneys with bruiser
> >decks, use this one to discourage them. I can´t hinder you from playing
> >this just to win a tourney, but I hope you won´t - it´s just too cheesy.
> >If you wonder if we actually built this: yes we did, and my buddy
> >actually owns all the cards.
>
> <Deck deleted to save space>
>
> OK, over the weekend I made this deck card for card (well actually
> I traded in a Wake the Dead in for the third Urban Brawl), and tonight I put
> it up against my shaman deck with one of my friends. Of the four games
> we played the Shaman Deck won three of them and the one it lost was
> a very close game. We each played the troll deck twice to balance out
> the player factor if there was one...
>
> Was the deck you posted the nasty version of the deck, or just what you
> built to counter it?
>
> The contents of my Shaman deck are the following:
>
> 60/10
>
> Runners: 13
> 1 Drake
> 4 Hawkwind
> 1 Knuckles
> 4 Moon Shadow
> 1 Stomper
> 1 Tin Man
> 1 Titan
>
> Gear: 10
> 4 Ally Spirit
> 1 Jinx Spirit
> 1 Protective Spirit
> 2 Beretta
> 2 Doc Wagon Platinum
>
> Contacts: 2
> 1 Shady Manager
> 1 Squatter
>
> Location: 1
> 1 Club Vortex
>
> Specials: 14
> 1 All or Nothing
> 4 Bear Totem
> 1 Blindsided
> 1 Even Steven
> 1 Green Apple Quick Steps
> 1 In-Fighting
> 1 Luck o' the Irish
> 1 Moonlighting
> 1 Reinforcements
> 2 Tactics: Converge
>
> Challenges: 20
> 1 Chomps-2000 Guard Dog
> 1 Elite Security Mage
> 1 Fusion Gate
> 1 Guardian Dracoform
> 2 Hellhound
> 2 Hellish Traffic
> 1 Highway Showdown
> 2 Hunting Gargoyle
> 2 Killer Drone
> 1 Maglocks
> 1 Mine Field
> 1 The Big Chase
> 1 Widow's Trap
> 2 Yakuza Assassin
> 1 Yakuza Hit Squad
>
> Objectives: 10
>
> 4 Haunted High Rise
> 2 Operation Cottonmouth
> 4 Sucker Run
>
> I'll put it up against my R-3 deck this weekend and see how it goes. I
> still don't think big bruiser decks are a huge problem. I might switch
> up the Troll deck a bit too since I think a few changes could make it
> stronger.
>
Interesting. Can you give me more details on what happened? For
instance, did the Troll player wait with putting Challenges on his
opponent´s Objectives so he had a chance to intercept? How where the
Wanteds used? Where GAQs used freely or only on specific occasions?
As I´ve said earlier, I won 7 of 8 games (6 of 6 full-time). One of my
opponents, a more experienced player than myself, was playing a Shaman
deck heavy on Ally and Protective spirits, and he didn´t score one Rep
point in three games we played.
By my experience, the Troll deck mostly relies on the ability to
intercept its opponent, and on using the Bulldog Van. Of course, its
generally a BIG mistake for the Troll player to go on protected
Objectives of his opponent (have you guys done this in your games?). I
usually try to make an early run on an unprotected Objective (if I can
survive the interception and still have an unturned runner in my
safehouse to intercept the possibly unprotected other Objective). This
forces my opponent to either intercept with a possibly vital Runner or
to give me the Reputation. I attack the Runners he uses to sleaze (if
that´s his kind of deck), specifically those which I know are able to
sleaze my Challenges, with Wanted. Then I GAQ his most useful Runners
when he goes on a Run. ---Felix
Message no. 19
From: Phil Jaros <chakan@****.PYROTECHNICS.COM>
Subject: Re: Deck: Way of the Exploding Fist/ Cheesecake Troll Size
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:15:47 -0500
Felix wrote:

<Stuff talking about Trool/Wake the Dead being beaten by my SHamans
deleted to save space>

> Interesting. Can you give me more details on what happened? For
> instance, did the Troll player wait with putting Challenges on his
> opponent´s Objectives so he had a chance to intercept?

Actually I think only one of the Shaman deck's objectives was taken in
all four of our games. Anyone who plays me know that I turn my own
objective into a death trap and rarely ever run on them. The troll
player would refrain from putting any challenges on his own run, until
he had a few to play on them though.

Interceptions only work once and I have no problem surviving an
intercept with this deck.

> How where the Wanteds used?

The wanteds were used on the Shaman's and Drakes for the most part,
since often times my big guys would survive the fight or I would protective
spirit the wanted if I really wanted the Runner to live.

3-5 Rep is basically nothing in the larger scheme of things and with the
squatter (it came out in all 4 games) they were back in action the next
turn.

>Where GAQs used freely or only on specific occasions?

Well they were used when they were available and effective. They
bluched and intercept, set up the death of a few runners and ruined a
few shadowruns. GAQ is a great card, but there still are only four
in the deck....

>As I´ve said earlier, I won 7 of 8 games (6 of 6 full-time). One of my
>opponents, a more experienced player than myself, was playing a Shaman
>deck heavy on Ally and Protective spirits, and he didn´t score one Rep
>point in three games we played.

I'm rather suprized by that, since a 8/6 (A2) that can abosrb damage
Hawkwind is pretty effective. They also can Biotech their fellow
runners while on the shadowrun. Shaman decks are nasty because the
pretty much are at full strength every turn, via biotech....

>By my experience, the Troll deck mostly relies on the ability to
>intercept its opponent, and on using the Bulldog Van. Of course, its
>generally a BIG mistake for the Troll player to go on protected
>Objectives of his opponent (have you guys done this in your games?). I
>usually try to make an early run on an unprotected Objective (if I can
>survive the interception and still have an unturned runner in my
>safehouse to intercept the possibly unprotected other Objective). This
>forces my opponent to either intercept with a possibly vital Runner or
>to give me the Reputation. I attack the Runners he uses to sleaze (if
>that´s his kind of deck), specifically those which I know are able to
>sleaze my Challenges, with Wanted. Then I GAQ his most useful Runners
>when he goes on a Run. ---Felix

Well that's how it was played. Keep in mind that you can only intercept
once and I usually make sure that the victims I send on an interceptable
run are expendable...

BTW I think you are way to heavy on GAQs and LotI....

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