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Message no. 1
From: Michael/Tamara Pease-Lorenz <treehugr@****.ON.ROGERS.WAVE.CA>
Subject: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:42:49 -0500
Hi Loki and group.

Is it just me or is FASA being unresponsive to questions now? They have
not answered any of my email in almost a month. Even the activity on
this list has died off.

Does anyone know what is going to differeniate the limited run from the
Unlimited run?

Or some basics questions like... Can multiple ppl win a game of
shadowrun? If everyone is playing with Media Chicks and thus we all go
over the required Rep total ... who wins? The person whose turn it is?
The person with the highest rep total regardless of the turn?

Tamara
Message no. 2
From: Quicksilver <qwksilvr@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:01:16 -0600
At 11:42 AM 12/1/97 -0500, you wrote:

<<snippage of other questions>>

> Or some basics questions like... Can multiple ppl win a game of
>shadowrun? If everyone is playing with Media Chicks and thus we all go
>over the required Rep total ... who wins? The person whose turn it is?
>The person with the highest rep total regardless of the turn?

You lost me (not all that hard to do sometimes).

AFAIK, multiple players cannot score rep at the same time.

Hg

...an analog person, stuck, in a digital world.
Message no. 3
From: Michael/Tamara Pease-Lorenz <treehugr@****.ON.ROGERS.WAVE.CA>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:29:40 -0500
Quicksilver wrote:
> You lost me (not all that hard to do sometimes).
> AFAIK, multiple players cannot score rep at the same time.

Yikes a reply! I dinna think anyone was on this anymore. OKay while I
have someone's attention :-) here is what i mean.

Player A,B,C all have media chicks out and in play. Player D is about to
make a game winning run and players A,B,C all bet with their Media
chicks enuff that they will also achieve the required Rep points to win.

My question is simply Who is the winner? Since everyone achieved the
required Rep points off one run.

Tamara
Message no. 4
From: Neil Fathulla <fathullan@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:40:03 +1100
I get the feeling someone is looking at the wording, which is
understandable ;) and not the intention. I believe the intention is that
Media Chick is used on your own shadowruns and not someone elses. Any
other views?



Regards
Neil




treehugr @ MAIL.ON.ROGERS.WAVE.CA
02/12/97 09:29



Yikes a reply! I dinna think anyone was on this anymore. OKay while
I have someone's attention :-) here is what i mean.

Player A,B,C all have media chicks out and in play. Player D is about to
make a game winning run and players A,B,C all bet with their Media
chicks enuff that they will also achieve the required Rep points to win.

My question is simply Who is the winner? Since everyone achieved
the required Rep points off one run.

Tamara
Message no. 5
From: Quicksilver <qwksilvr@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:43:40 -0600
At 06:29 PM 12/1/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Quicksilver wrote:
>> You lost me (not all that hard to do sometimes).
>> AFAIK, multiple players cannot score rep at the same time.
>
> Yikes a reply! I dinna think anyone was on this anymore. OKay while=
I
>have someone's attention :-) here is what i mean.
>
>Player A,B,C all have media chicks out and in play. Player D is about to
>make a game winning run and players A,B,C all bet with their Media
>chicks enuff that they will also achieve the required Rep points to win.
>
> My question is simply Who is the winner? Since everyone achieved=
the
>required Rep points off one run.

I think one of us is misinterpreting the way Media Chick works.

Media Chick states: You must declare your intention touse Media
Chick before a shadowrun begins. 1¥: A successful shadowrun is worth +10
Reputation. If the shadowrun fails (the team pulls out or fails to take the
Objective) then you lose 10 Reputation from your total Reputation.

To me this states that for every 1¥ invested in Media Chick, the
Reputation award for completing the run is increased by +10 points, not
that an individual's Reptution is increased. For example, with 1¥ invested
a Milkrun would be worth 10+10= 20 Reputation points. Not 10 reptutation
points for Milkrun and 10 reputation points for the Media Chick. So a
player could not score of someone else's run. (Although the way it is
worded, you *can* lose on someone elses run <g>).

See why I'm having trouble answering your question :)?

Hg

Standard Disclaimer: The above are just my opinions. I have been wrong
before, I will be wrong again.
Message no. 6
From: "J.P Haworth" <jhaworth@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:48:58 -0800
Michael/Tamara Pease-Lorenz wrote:

> Player A,B,C all have media chicks out and in play. Player D is about
> to
> make a game winning run and players A,B,C all bet with their Media
> chicks enuff that they will also achieve the required Rep points to
> win.
>
> My question is simply Who is the winner? Since everyone
> achieved the
> required Rep points off one run.
>

Because any player can only use contacts and locations during their own
legwork phase (rulebook pg 42-43) players A, B and C could not use their
Media Chick for player D's shadowrun.
Redman
Message no. 7
From: Michael/Tamara Pease-Lorenz <treehugr@****.ON.ROGERS.WAVE.CA>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:53:35 -0500
Neil Fathulla wrote:
>
> I get the feeling someone is looking at the wording, which is
> understandable ;) and not the intention. I believe the intention is that
> Media Chick is used on your own shadowruns and not someone elses. Any
> other views?
>

No I think that this card was designed for multiplayer use, much like
Yamaha Rapier and some others....

Tamara
Message no. 8
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:41:32 -0800
---Michael/Tamara Pease-Lorenz <treehugr@****.ON.ROGERS.WAVE.CA> wrote:
>
> Hi Loki and group.
>
> Is it just me or is FASA being unresponsive to questions now? They
have
> not answered any of my email in almost a month. Even the activity on
> this list has died off.

I haven't heard much from Jim or Skuzzy, but then I can't point
fingers as I still have 120+ mails in backlog from when I on vacation
the end of October. :o) Sometimes a person can just get busy, and
email becomes hard to wade through. The FASA press release I put out
to the list said 2nd Print and Underworld were slated for release
January and February, so our DLOH's could still be rather busy in wrap
up.

> Does anyone know what is going to differeniate the limited
run from the
> Unlimited run?

50 cards are slated to be swapped out for new. Runners are a primary
target as they want some of the Prime Runners to become collectibles.
Also, the Objectives will probably have alot of new faces.

Card text is going to get some reworking, clearing up things like Hand
Razors, Bam Bam, Maglocks and the old Sleaze/Trash mess.

Other than that, I can't give you any real specifics.

> Or some basics questions like... Can multiple ppl win a game
of
> shadowrun? If everyone is playing with Media Chicks and thus we all go
> over the required Rep total ... who wins? The person whose turn it is?
> The person with the highest rep total regardless of the turn?

I'd vote for the highest rep total. In case of a tie then I'd go with
the person who's turn it is, or a d6 roll to decide.

-== Loki ==-
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Message no. 9
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:46:06 -0800
---Michael/Tamara Pease-Lorenz <treehugr@****.ON.ROGERS.WAVE.CA> wrote:
>
> Quicksilver wrote:
> > You lost me (not all that hard to do sometimes).
> > AFAIK, multiple players cannot score rep at the same time.
>
> Yikes a reply! I dinna think anyone was on this anymore.
OKay while I
> have someone's attention :-) here is what i mean.
>
> Player A,B,C all have media chicks out and in play. Player D is
about to
> make a game winning run and players A,B,C all bet with their Media
> chicks enuff that they will also achieve the required Rep points to
win.
>
> My question is simply Who is the winner? Since everyone
achieved the
> required Rep points off one run.

I didn't think to comment on this in my previous reply. However, Media
Chick wouldn't work that way for the players who's turn it isn't. By
the wording of Media Chick, they would just be increasing the rep of
the player who's currently taking their turn (a stupid move on their
part).

The double edge is by the wording of the card, should the play
currently taking their turn decide to pull out. The other players that
had used Media Chick out of turn would be sunk abd lose rep.

Read the card, using it any other time outside of your own turn for
your own run is a no-win situation.

-== Loki ==-
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Message no. 10
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:54:50 -0800
---Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM> wrote:
>
> I haven't heard much from Jim or Skuzzy, but then I can't point
> fingers as I still have 120+ mails in backlog from when I on vacation
> the end of October. :o) Sometimes a person can just get busy, and
> email becomes hard to wade through. The FASA press release I put out
> to the list said 2nd Print and Underworld were slated for release
> January and February, so our DLOH's could still be rather busy in wrap
> up.

Yes, I'm replying to myself. Talking to myself is only one of many
eccentricities. ;o)

Anyways, I also thought it fair to point out that FASA is primarily an
RPG company, and the SRTCG is a sister product. Jim and Skuzzy, though
being the SRTCG designers, are members of the FASA art department.
From correspondance I've had with Mike Mulvihill, Shadowrun line
developer, there's alot going on for the S/R RPG throughout the near
future. Odds are Jim and Skuzzy are just finishing up 2nd Run and
Underworld only to face deadlines on RPG product as well.

Still, I'll pop off an email or two and see if I can find out what got
our DLOH's wrapped up.

-== Loki ==-
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Message no. 11
From: Michael/Tamara Pease-Lorenz <treehugr@****.ON.ROGERS.WAVE.CA>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:02:21 -0500
Loki wrote:
> I didn't think to comment on this in my previous reply. However, Media
> Chick wouldn't work that way for the players who's turn it isn't. By
> the wording of Media Chick, they would just be increasing the rep of
> the player who's currently taking their turn (a stupid move on their
> part).

Hi Loki great to hear from you again! Perhaps we have been playing the
Media Chick incorrectly. My gaming group assumed that we could use Media
Chick when it was NOT our legwork phase. But no where on the card does
it actually state that MEdia Chick CAN be used out of turn, while on the
Fatman contact it states that it can be used ANYTIME. Sheesh... I 've
been playing this card all wrong.
What do you think?

Tamara
Message no. 12
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:24:03 -0800
---Michael/Tamara Pease-Lorenz <treehugr@****.ON.ROGERS.WAVE.CA> wrote:
>
> Hi Loki great to hear from you again! Perhaps we have been
playing the
> Media Chick incorrectly. My gaming group assumed that we could use
Media
> Chick when it was NOT our legwork phase. But no where on the card does
> it actually state that MEdia Chick CAN be used out of turn, while on
the
> Fatman contact it states that it can be used ANYTIME. Sheesh... I 've
> been playing this card all wrong.
> What do you think?

It's not even that. Read the card text. If you play it out of turn
you're only going to hurt yourself. Media Chick makes the rep for a
successful run worth +10 for each payment, this doesn't give you
anything, it just makes the Objective worth more for your opponent if
he gains it (i.e. Up and Over is now worth 50 if he takes it rather
than 30). He wins and you get nadda. If he's malicious, he'd just pull
out and screw you even more because Media Chick says if the run isn't
completed YOU lose rep. Note that specifially says YOU, not the person
making the run.

So all in all, using your Media Chick on someone else's turn and
someone else's run is either going to make the Objective worth more to
them if they take it, or cost you rep if they don't. A no winner
either way for you.

Why would you want to use her outside of your own turn?

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Message no. 13
From: Blade Hunter <bladehnt@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:22:38 -0500
On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Loki wrote:
> So all in all, using your Media Chick on someone else's turn and
> someone else's run is either going to make the Objective worth more to
> them if they take it, or cost you rep if they don't. A no winner
> either way for you.
>
> Why would you want to use her outside of your own turn?

Two words. False Mentor. (Sorry, I've always considered the Media Chick
to be only usable on one's own turn, but I seem to love cans of worms...)

Lofwyr made me do it!,
-me.
bladehnt@*********.net
Message no. 14
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 05:23:53 -0800
---Blade Hunter <bladehnt@*********.NET> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Loki wrote:
> > So all in all, using your Media Chick on someone else's turn and
> > someone else's run is either going to make the Objective worth
more to
> > them if they take it, or cost you rep if they don't. A no winner
> > either way for you.
> >
> > Why would you want to use her outside of your own turn?
>
> Two words. False Mentor.

Pretty risky, since the player who's run it is could simply pull out
and cost you negative rep before False Mentor is even an option.

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Message no. 15
From: Joel Biske <TryRyche@***.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA alive or dead?
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:43:15 -0500
While this doesn't answer any of the questions, hopefully it'll shed some
light on FASA's silence. To the best of my knowledge, FASA isn't dead.......
just busy.

Right now, they're scrambling to get out 2nd Run, Underworld, and Battleforce
(for BattleTech) With Jim and Mike (and Mike M.) suddenly become the card
experts in addition to the jobs they had BEFORE the CCG. Remember Jim is also
the Art Director and Mike one of the Art staff while not designing the card
game. My having moved 1200 miles away puts more strain on the "In house" art
staff. FASAhas not increased it's staff AT ALL to put out the CCG. It's being
done in addition to the rest of the schedule.

Unfortunately, there are going to be periods when Jim and Mike are too busy
actually getting the products out the door to hop online. It should clear up
soon...

Joel

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