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Message no. 1
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Hand razors are Cyberware not Hand-to-Hand Weapons
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:12:49 -0800
---Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM> wrote:
>
> Heres another thought. If hand razors are just cyberware then
> this could be a possibility
>
> take Domino.
>
> He has a base attack value of 4 (I think). But a melee of two.
> Handrazors state that they give +1/+0 to user plus the runners
> melee skill. you can have two handrazors. So does that mean that
> with two hand razors domino now has an attack power of 10.

Yes, that's exactly how it works per SKuzzy and Jim. The rewrite on
Hand Razors in 2nd Run will be clearer as it will say someting like
"Runner receives +X/+0. X = Runner's melee +1. Runner may use two Hand
Razors at once."

> Then if
> hand razors are just cyberware he could then also have a katana which
> would would then give a total of 14. Now heres the fun part. Runners
> have two arms. Does that mean you can have two cyberarms for an
> additional +4.

No on the Katana. While Hand Razors are definitely cyberware, the also
carry the deisgnation of weapon. Only one weapon may be used per
combat, unless specially designated (Hand Razors, Flatline,
Ambidextrous, ...) Now an Ambidextrous Runner could use one set of
Hand Razors and a Katana at once, but still not use two hand Razors
and the Katana. Common sense is the guide on this

Yes on the cyberarms. Two Hand Razors and to Cyberarms are still under
6 Essence. So with all four Domino would have an impressive 14 attack
in this example. "Com'ere little Skwraaaaaak."

> Just showing how using some of these cyberware/weapon gear cards
> can get a little out of hand. My gaming group uses the common sense
> ruling. hand razors are weapons.

Exactly. The card says so.

> you only get the +2 for melee once, even with two razors.

Not how Jim and Skuzzy rule on this.

This is in the FAQ on FASA's page:

~!~!~!~!~!

Q. If a Runner is holding two Hand Razors does he add his Melee to his
Attack value twice?

A. Yes.

~!~!~!~!~!

2nd Run will make it clearer.

> and that razors cannot be combined with a katana.

I don't think anyone will argue on this one.

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Message no. 2
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Hand razors are Cyberware not Hand-to-Hand Weapons
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:35:43 PST
Loki wrote -

(massive snipping)

>> you only get the +2 for melee once, even with two razors.
>
>Not how Jim and Skuzzy rule on this.
>
>This is in the FAQ on FASA's page:
>
>~!~!~!~!~!
>
>Q. If a Runner is holding two Hand Razors does he add his Melee to his
>Attack value twice?
>
>A. Yes.
>

Really cool. It slices and dices as well :)


>~!~!~!~!~!
>
>2nd Run will make it clearer.
>
>> and that razors cannot be combined with a katana.
>
>I don't think anyone will argue on this one.

Didn't think so. As I said before, we use just common sence
but there are some who will argue this (printing it now to
throw in thier face :)

Thanks for the insite.


*** In ruling, the Sage attends to the heart, not the eye ***
*** - Tao ***

Jayden Stormwalker


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Message no. 3
From: Bradley Aaron Rebh <brebh@*****.BGSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hand razors are Cyberware not Hand-to-Hand Weapons
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:19:57 -0500
On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Loki wrote:

> ---Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM> wrote:
> Yes on the cyberarms. Two Hand Razors and to Cyberarms are still under
> 6 Essence. So with all four Domino would have an impressive 14 attack
> in this example. "Com'ere little Skwraaaaaak."
>
> > Just showing how using some of these cyberware/weapon gear cards
> > can get a little out of hand. My gaming group uses the common sense
> > ruling. hand razors are weapons.
>
> Exactly. The card says so.

funny how we all have selective common sense. I'm not arguing against
being able to use two hand razors at once (you should be able to). anyone
who's been paying attention knows what I'm referring to. Hi Axle. :P

>
> > you only get the +2 for melee once, even with two razors.
>
> Not how Jim and Skuzzy rule on this.
>
> This is in the FAQ on FASA's page:


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Message no. 4
From: ">>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<<" <axlrose@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Hand razors are Cyberware not Hand-to-Hand Weapons
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:35:48 -0500
At 11:19 PM 3/8/98 -0500, Brad wrote:
>> Exactly. The card says so.

>funny how we all have selective common sense. I'm not arguing against
being able to >use two hand razors at once (you should be able to). anyone
who's been paying >attention knows what I'm referring to. Hi Axle. :P

Evening Bradley...

Here's one to ponder - if a runner takes a cyberarm at -2 essence which I
would believe refers to the shoulder, biceps, triceps, elbow, forearm,
wrist, hand, fingers, and thumb, (along with the rest of the meat) then
wouldn't adding hand razors to a metal alloy afterwards be 0 essence loss?

"Common sense" would say so... *snicker*.

>Bradley Aaron Rebh
>>>>>Axlrose - ...<<<<<
Message no. 5
From: Bradley Aaron Rebh <brebh@*****.BGSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hand razors are Cyberware not Hand-to-Hand Weapons
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:41:36 -0500
On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, >>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<< wrote:

> At 11:19 PM 3/8/98 -0500, Brad wrote:
> >> Exactly. The card says so.
>
> >funny how we all have selective common sense. I'm not arguing against
> being able to >use two hand razors at once (you should be able to). anyone
> who's been paying >attention knows what I'm referring to. Hi Axle. :P
>
> Evening Bradley...
>
> Here's one to ponder - if a runner takes a cyberarm at -2 essence which I
> would believe refers to the shoulder, biceps, triceps, elbow, forearm,
> wrist, hand, fingers, and thumb, (along with the rest of the meat) then
> wouldn't adding hand razors to a metal alloy afterwards be 0 essence loss?
>
> "Common sense" would say so... *snicker*.

But to quote from an infamous and priveledged source, "The card says so."
Hand razors says, -1 essence, it would go against the fabric of the game
to think otherwise. Don't you agree? :)

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http://art.bgsu.edu/~rebh

920 E.Wooster #4
Bowling Green, OH 43402
419.353.2405
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