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Message no. 1
From: LordBurger <LordBurger@***.COM>
Subject: Help Me out on this rule question please!!!
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:18:35 EST
In a message dated 98-03-15 18:39:10 EST, you write:

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Here is a rule question that came up in a recent game we had.

For the sake of arguement, a run was attempted at one of the 3 following
objectives.
1. Cermack Blast
2. Urban Brawl
3. Cleanse The Hive

A running team went to the hive, which reads the following.

Cleanse the Hive (objective) 40 Pts.
Roll d6 for each challenge and Face the result instead of the challenge.
Treat all spirits as awakened. 1-2, Beetle Spirit 8/8 A1, 3-4, Cicada Spirit
9/9 A2, 5-6 10/10 A2. Requirements: Fight Queen Ant Spirit 11/11 A3

Now, if the 1st challenge faced was say a booby trap, and the running team
posessed a demolitions skill, which is the slease requirement for booby trap.
Now, would the runnig team get to slease the booby trap, and not have to fight
a spirit for that challenge???

Question in general, do you get a chance to slease a challenge on one of the 3
above objectives??? (using the slease requirements on the challenge itself)

A few of my friends said no, because you dont face the booby trap, and must
fight the spirit which can only be sleased by say an invisibility or runner
special ability. Now i disagree on this. Here is my points why...

In the SRCCG rule book, on page 56 says the following..."The shadowrunning
player must slease or face each challenge his opponents have placed on the
target objective". And, on pages 57-58 it says the following..."The owner of
the challenge reveals the challenge, and reads the slease requiremenst (if
any). If a runner or combination of runners meets the slease requirements,
the challenge is sleased-the running team sneeks by that challenge without
triggering the alarm. If a team of runners fails to slease a challenge, they
trigger the alarm and must face the challenge card."

Now, that states that first you try and slease the challenge, if not you face
the challenge. Now, on the cleanse the hive, it says "Roll d6 for each
challenge and Face the result instead of the challenge". On the urban brawl
it says the same thing, and the cermack blast the same too. So first A
happens, (A= reveal the challenge), then B (B= attempt to slease the
challenge), then C (Cúce the challenge). So the roll for the above
ovjectives would happen during C of the shadowrun phase, correct???

This is just my idea and how i see the cards working, well from reading the
rule book and the cards, thats how i see it. Please let me know if you know
the official ruling, or even if you dont, please let me hear your opinions.

Thanks For Reading,

Dennis Shea

PS> Does anyone have an Underworld Spoiler Yet, if you do, or know where you
can get it, please let me know, Thanks in advance.
Message no. 2
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Help Me out on this rule question please!!!
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:42:37 -0800
---LordBurger <LordBurger@***.COM> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-03-15 18:39:10 EST, you write:
>
> << SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET >>
>
> Here is a rule question that came up in a recent game we had.
>
> For the sake of arguement, a run was attempted at one of the 3
following
> objectives.
> 1. Cermack Blast
> 2. Urban Brawl
> 3. Cleanse The Hive
>
> A running team went to the hive, which reads the following.
>
> Cleanse the Hive (objective) 40 Pts.
> Roll d6 for each challenge and Face the result instead of the
challenge.
> Treat all spirits as awakened. 1-2, Beetle Spirit 8/8 A1, 3-4,
Cicada Spirit
> 9/9 A2, 5-6 10/10 A2. Requirements: Fight Queen Ant Spirit 11/11 A3
>
> Now, if the 1st challenge faced was say a booby trap, and the
running team
> posessed a demolitions skill, which is the slease requirement for
booby trap.
> Now, would the runnig team get to slease the booby trap, and not
have to fight
> a spirit for that challenge???
>
> Question in general, do you get a chance to slease a challenge on
one of the 3
> above objectives??? (using the slease requirements on the challenge
itself)
>
> A few of my friends said no, because you dont face the booby trap,
and must
> fight the spirit which can only be sleased by say an invisibility or
runner
> special ability.

Sorry LB, but IMHO I side with your friends on this.

The way I understand it when you run on one of these Objectives is
that the cards are revealed to show whether they're a Challenge or
bluff. If it's a bluff it is trashed per usual. If it's a Challenge
then the die roll is made to determine what type of Brawl Team or
Insect Spirit Challenge represents.

This is the same as if the card was being swapped out for a different
Challenge card. This new Insect Spirit or Brawl Team Challenge does
not have skill sleaze requirements that can be met (think of it as if
it were a Challenge card like the Guardian Dracoform) the only way to
sleaze would be something like Sleep, Shock Gloves or Invisibility in
the case of the bugs (pretty much Inivis only in the case of the Brawl).

The _individual_ Challenge cards place on one of these Objective types
really mean nothing except to mark if the space is a bluff or a
Bug/Team.

Just for comment, I can't see how Tech or Demo is going to help you
sleaze a true-form Fly or Ant warrior. :o)

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