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Message no. 1
From: Justin Marcinkus <marci001@***.EDU>
Subject: Here's a couple of questions
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 03:49:14 -0500
1) Is it alright to search through your lost pile at whim?

2) Alright, I've got an objective up that states "awakened challenges can
not be sleazed," and I encounter an _awakened_ challenge that states "if
[yadah yadah yadah] challenge is automatically sleazed." So, which one
takes precedence?

3) Is "Sleep" cool to play during runner to runner combat? The card states
that it "affects only Awakened and Personnel Challenges." However, isn't a
runner akin to Personnel?

4) And the silliest question... How exactly does fatigue work? Ok, I got a
runner with a 6/6 threat rating. He takes 5 points of damage. This gives
him a modified threat rating of 1/1. Now, there's a card in effect that
"doubles the effects of fatigue." This means that the runner's threat
rating is an effective -4/-4. At any point in time, is the runner trashed?
My gut instinct is NO, since the actual damage hasn't exceeded the body
value. However, some chummers of mine seem to read the rules differently.
Message no. 2
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Here's a couple of questions
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:02:01 -0700
---Justin Marcinkus wrote:
>
> 1) Is it alright to search through your lost pile at whim?

No official ruling, and there are cards like Chop Shop that let you
pull items from it, so I'd say you can if you feel the need.

> 2) Alright, I've got an objective up that states "awakened
challenges can
> not be sleazed," and I encounter an _awakened_ challenge that states
"if
> [yadah yadah yadah] challenge is automatically sleazed." So, which
one
> takes precedence?

The Objective.

> 3) Is "Sleep" cool to play during runner to runner combat? The card
states
> that it "affects only Awakened and Personnel Challenges." However,
isn't a
> runner akin to Personnel?

No. Personnel explicitly say personnel. Sleep is used on challenges
only.

> 4) And the silliest question... How exactly does fatigue work? Ok, I
got a
> runner with a 6/6 threat rating. He takes 5 points of damage. This
gives
> him a modified threat rating of 1/1. Now, there's a card in effect
that
> "doubles the effects of fatigue." This means that the runner's threat
> rating is an effective -4/-4. At any point in time, is the runner
trashed?
> My gut instinct is NO, since the actual damage hasn't exceeded the
body
> value. However, some chummers of mine seem to read the rules
differently.

I know the rule book says to subtract Fatigue from both Attack Value
and Body, but it makes more sense to me to think of it this way:

For figuring this count fatigue as only reducing the Attack Value. The
Attack Value cannot drop below zero. No funky healing someone by
hitting them with a negative Attack Value. :o)

Fatigue doesn't actually decrease your Body Rating, it's just that
when damage counters equal or exceed Body Rating you're dead.

However, I'm gonna bounce this one off FASA as well.

-== Loki ==-


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Message no. 3
From: Brett Barksdale <brett@***.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re: Here's a couple of questions
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:29:12 -0700
More unofficial answers...

>1) Is it alright to search through your lost pile at whim?

I believe so.

>2) Alright, I've got an objective up that states "awakened challenges can
>not be sleazed," and I encounter an _awakened_ challenge that states "if
>[yadah yadah yadah] challenge is automatically sleazed." So, which one
>takes precedence?

The card takes precedence. It /has/ to be this way. Otherwise, a combination
like Motion Detectors (which attaches to the objective and prevents any
future sleazing against that objective) and Mine Fields would be impossible
to beat.

>3) Is "Sleep" cool to play during runner to runner combat? The card states
>that it "affects only Awakened and Personnel Challenges." However, isn't a
>runner akin to Personnel?

I would seriously doubt this is cool. Runners are not challenges - even if
they are "personnel-like".

>4) And the silliest question... How exactly does fatigue work? Ok, I got a
>runner with a 6/6 threat rating. He takes 5 points of damage. This gives
>him a modified threat rating of 1/1. Now, there's a card in effect that
>"doubles the effects of fatigue." This means that the runner's threat
>rating is an effective -4/-4. At any point in time, is the runner trashed?
>My gut instinct is NO, since the actual damage hasn't exceeded the body
>value. However, some chummers of mine seem to read the rules differently.

Fatigue only effects the attack value (the number in front of the slash).
If doubling the penalty from wounds brings the attack below 0, it's just
counted as zero. Only /damage/ lowers body. Fatigue is just an effect, based
on damage, that lowers the runner's ability to inflict damage.

- Brett
Message no. 4
From: Brett Barksdale <brett@***.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re: Here's a couple of questions
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:31:22 -0700
>> 2) Alright, I've got an objective up that states "awakened
>challenges can
>> not be sleazed," and I encounter an _awakened_ challenge that states
>"if
>> [yadah yadah yadah] challenge is automatically sleazed." So, which
>one
>> takes precedence?
>
>The Objective.

Whoops. I made a mistake. In my earlier reply, I was looking at a general
case. In this specific case, I would agree with Loki.

- Brett
Message no. 5
From: Justin Marcinkus <marci001@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Here's a couple of questions
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:49:24 -0500
> >1) Is it alright to search through your lost pile at whim?
>
> I believe so.

This is the second statement made that it is ok to search your lost pile at
whim (lost pile being trash or frag pile). My problem with the idea, is
that, even though we are all honorable and would never think of cheating,
the possibility that you might accidently lean towards that direction
occurs.

Of course, the cards that allow you to get cards back out of the trash
(i.e. squatter and chop shop), is not the issue I'm debating. However,
forgetting if you have a decent card to get in trash and looking through it
before paying the cost of the card could be abused. For example, if I've
got four mages in my deck, and I know I lost a bunch of them, but I'm not
sure if I lost all of them, I could just simply search my trash to find
out. This could make a difference because I would trash all the spells I
had in my hand in order to pick up better cards if all the mages were
trashed, but if I knew I still had one left in my deck, especially if
there's only a few cards left, hell, I'll keep those cards.

I know the trash gets recycled, so in the long run, it probably won't
matter. Yet, I can see some instances where the "knowledge is power."

Justin "Tinman"
Message no. 6
From: Andrew Payne III <smiling_bandit@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Here's a couple of questions
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:58:39 -0700
---Justin Marcinkus wrote:
>
> > >1) Is it alright to search through your lost pile at whim?
> >
> > I believe so.
>
> This is the second statement made that it is ok to search your lost
> pile at whim (lost pile being trash or frag pile). My problem with
the
> idea, is that, even though we are all honorable and would never
think
> of cheating, the possibility that you might accidently lean towards
> that direction occurs.
>

I would say that in a tournement setting you should not be able to
search through your lost pile. In a friendly game I would ask the
group before doing so and then make judgement amongst the group then.

Andrew Payne III
smiling_bandit@**********.com
http://www.oakland.edu/~ddmccoll/sr

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Message no. 7
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Here's a couple of questions
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:22:29 -0400
At 03:49 AM 8/29/97 -0500, Justin Marcinkus wrote these timeless words:
>1) Is it alright to search through your lost pile at whim?
>
I would say Yes, as long as you don;t shuffle any cards around. This is
following up on some of the more recent cards in Magic that affect your
discard pile...

>2) Alright, I've got an objective up that states "awakened challenges can
>not be sleazed," and I encounter an _awakened_ challenge that states "if
>[yadah yadah yadah] challenge is automatically sleazed." So, which one
>takes precedence?
>
Good question, but I would think the first card has precedance...

>3) Is "Sleep" cool to play during runner to runner combat? The card states
>that it "affects only Awakened and Personnel Challenges." However, isn't a
>runner akin to Personnel?
>
Good question. I'd say yes, but...

>4) And the silliest question... How exactly does fatigue work? Ok, I got a
>runner with a 6/6 threat rating. He takes 5 points of damage. This gives
>him a modified threat rating of 1/1. Now, there's a card in effect that
>"doubles the effects of fatigue." This means that the runner's threat
>rating is an effective -4/-4. At any point in time, is the runner trashed?
>My gut instinct is NO, since the actual damage hasn't exceeded the body
>value. However, some chummers of mine seem to read the rules differently.
>
Ok... Technically. Fatigue only effects your Power/Threat Rating.
Otherwise characters with Stamina wouldn;t take any damage! So thus, in
your above example, he'd become a -4/1, which is effectively a 0/1.

Bull
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