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Message no. 1
From: "Bourgault, Patrick" <pbourgau@***.CA>
Subject: Here's more questions
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:26:00 PDT
Q1 : Here's the situation : I manage to arrest a Prime Runner (or a
mercenary under Better Offer) and put him in Lone Star Lock-up. Since
the runner is still on the table, thus in play, does the owner has to
keep paying the upkeep ??

Q2 : Does the owner of a PR can stop paying the upkeep of the PR ?? If
so, is the PR trashed or fragged ??

Tx in advance.
Message no. 2
From: Norman McLeod <mcleodn@***********.NET>
Subject: Re: Here's more questions
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:38:43 -0400
>Q1 : Here's the situation : I manage to arrest a Prime Runner (or a
>mercenary under Better Offer) and put him in Lone Star Lock-up. Since
>the runner is still on the table, thus in play, does the owner has to
>keep paying the upkeep ??

Yup.

>Q2 : Does the owner of a PR can stop paying the upkeep of the PR ?? If
>so, is the PR trashed or fragged ??

Trashed.
Message no. 3
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Here's more questions
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 04:00:35 -0700
Bourgault, Patrick wrote:

> Q1 : Here's the situation : I manage to arrest a Prime Runner (or a
> mercenary under Better Offer) and put him in Lone Star Lock-up. Since
> the runner is still on the table, thus in play, does the owner has to
> keep paying the upkeep ??

> Q2 : Does the owner of a PR can stop paying the upkeep of the PR ?? If
> so, is the PR trashed or fragged ??

....Would the owner of a Runner trapped as a Ghost in the Hell House
have to pay upkeep? A Runner who's been Abducted?

No, in both cases; this extends to Lone Star Lock-Up as well.
Similarly, you wouldn't be able to deploy new Gear on the Runner, or use
him for Specials (Moonlighting and Bar Fight come to mind).


- Matt

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Message no. 4
From: "Bourgault, Patrick" <pbourgau@***.CA>
Subject: Re: Here's more questions
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:06:00 PDT
Bourgault, Patrick wrote:

> Q1 : Here's the situation : I manage to arrest a Prime Runner (or a
> mercenary under Better Offer) and put him in Lone Star Lock-up. Since
> the runner is still on the table, thus in play, does the owner has to
> keep paying the upkeep ??

> Q2 : Does the owner of a PR can stop paying the upkeep of the PR ?? If
> so, is the PR trashed or fragged ??

....Would the owner of a Runner trapped as a Ghost in the Hell House
have to pay upkeep? A Runner who's been Abducted?

No, in both cases; this extends to Lone Star Lock-Up as well.
Similarly, you wouldn't be able to deploy new Gear on the Runner, or use
him for Specials (Moonlighting and Bar Fight come to mind).

In case of the Hell House objective, the runners are dead, so they are
considered trashed. As for the abducted special card, it specifically
says that the TR is considured fragged for a turn. Since you don't pay
upkeep for frag/trashed runners, the problem is also solved.

But since LSLU doesn't say neither and that the runner is still alive and
in play, I thought that the owner must still pay the updeep. If not, the
runner must be considered trashed/fragged so that other players may put
the same PR on the table. What do you think ??


- Matt

------------------------------------
Quid gignitur ex hyaena et psittaco?
Animal uiribus ridendi in ioca sua eximum.

GridSec: SRCard / Freedonian Research Assistant
Teen Poets FAQ: http://pw1.netcom.com/~mbreton/poetry/poetfaq.htm
SRTCG Website: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/2189/ccgtop.htm
Message no. 5
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Here's more questions
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:05:39 -0700
Bourgault, Patrick wrote:

> > Q1 : Here's the situation : I manage to arrest a Prime Runner (or a
> > mercenary under Better Offer) and put him in Lone Star Lock-up. Since
> > the runner is still on the table, thus in play, does the owner has to
> > keep paying the upkeep ??

> > Q2 : Does the owner of a PR can stop paying the upkeep of the PR ?? If
> > so, is the PR trashed or fragged ??

> ....Would the owner of a Runner trapped as a Ghost in the Hell House
> have to pay upkeep? A Runner who's been Abducted?

> No, in both cases; this extends to Lone Star Lock-Up as well.
> Similarly, you wouldn't be able to deploy new Gear on the Runner, or use
> him for Specials (Moonlighting and Bar Fight come to mind).

> In case of the Hell House objective, the runners are dead, so they are
> considered trashed. As for the abducted special card, it specifically
> says that the TR is considured fragged for a turn. Since you don't pay
> upkeep for frag/trashed runners, the problem is also solved.

OTOH, it can be argued that since they're going to return to play to
attack the shadowrunning team, they're special abilities should be able
to be put to use (although it'd be rather unclear by whom). It's very
nearly an identical situation to Hell House: in the case of LSLU, the
Runners were arrested previous to being placed on the card; in the
normal course of events, being back in the player's hand, they wouldn't
be able to turn. For both Hell House and LSLU, as the original poster
noted, the Runners are back on the table.

Good point you raise about Abducted, since, for most intents and
purposes, Runners underneath LSLU *are* fragged.

> But since LSLU doesn't say neither and that the runner is still alive and
> in play, I thought that the owner must still pay the updeep. If not, the
> runner must be considered trashed/fragged so that other players may put
> the same PR on the table. What do you think ??

LSLU breaks the rules. :) Rather obviously, Runners under LSLU
shouldn't be allowed to turn for special abilities (they're under watch
and key) or have Gear deployed on them; however, it seems fictionally
satisying ot say that you wouldn't be able to bring a new Torgo into
play since the real one is in jail. Lone Star -- or rather, the
tax-payers in the city that bought the Lone Star contract -- provides
for his three squares and a cot, though.


- Matt

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Quid gignitur ex hyaena et psittaco?
Animal uiribus ridendi in ioca sua eximum.

GridSec: SRCard / Freedonian Research Assistant
Teen Poets FAQ: http://pw1.netcom.com/~mbreton/poetry/poetfaq.htm
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