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Message no. 1
From: Mamoulian <shine@************.NET>
Subject: My Deck
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 10:52:30 -0700
I am posting my current deck which has worked well in 3-4 player games. I
would like the lists feedback on viewed strengths and weaknesses of the
deck.

Objectives:
Amazonian Hunt(2)
Cleanse the Hive
Dunkelzahn's Black Book
Room 5B78
Site of Power
Total: 225 points
<6 cards>

Runners:
Glitz(4)
Thrash(4)
Wishbone(4)
Scarecrow(3)
Scorpio(2)
Knuckles(2)
Ripper
Kham
<21 cards>

Gear:
Bulldog Van(3)
Dermal Plating(3)
Muscle Replacement(3)
City Spirit(3)
Nature Spirit(3)
Fireball(2)
Heal(2)
Sleep(2)
Bullet Barrier
Lucky Wabbit's Foot
Maglock Passkey
<24 cards>

Challenges:
Ambused en Route
Highway Showdown
The Big Chase
Guardian Dracoform
Nets
Runners on Retainer
Hunting Gargoyle(2)
Mage Strike Force(2)
Maglocks(2)
Manticore(2)
Mine Field(3)
<17 cards>

Locations:
Iron Lung(2)
<2 cards>

Contacts:
Squatter
<1 card>

Specials\Stingers:
Riots(4)
Nerps
False Mentor
Wild Goose Chase(2)
Even Steven(2)
<10 cards>

75 card deck.

It's obviously a heavy magic\Ork deck.

The cyberware and bodyguards are used to protect the whimpy guys.

Rockers are for the money, and Kham is for the bonus to the orks. I put
the bulldogs on the rockers as they come up and stockpile the riots to
throw either in one big hit, or after people come back really wounded.

The lucky wabbits foot is used and pulled out of the trash with the
squatter (expensive, yet effective)

The even stevens are used for anyone who throws a Humanis polyclub, or
kills the squatter.

The Iron Lung is used to get cards so I can always get money.

Nerps is used for anything under the sun.

Any questions or comments would be appreciated.

Thanks,


Mamo
Message no. 2
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:33:29 -0800
Mamoulian wrote:

> I am posting my current deck which has worked well in 3-4 player games. I
> would like the lists feedback on viewed strengths and weaknesses of the
> deck.

> Objectives:
> Amazonian Hunt(2)
> Cleanse the Hive
> Dunkelzahn's Black Book
> Room 5B78
> Site of Power
> Total: 225 points
> <6 cards>

Eeeep. Those are all pretty daunting. I'm kind of surprised that you
didn't include a Ragnarok, however -- the added Social skill to sleazing
requirements makes it a really tough run.

> Runners:
> Glitz(4)
> Thrash(4)
> Wishbone(4)
> Scarecrow(3)
> Scorpio(2)
> Knuckles(2)
> Ripper
> Kham
> <21 cards>

While the Rockers are almost necessary, I'd suggest easing back on Glitz
and substituting in Jackyl: He's another Ork Mage, and as a burn-out he
can use cyberware as well. Good cost-to-stat ratio as well. (Skag's
got an incredible cost-to-stat ratio, but that Anti-social thing really
hurts... he's rare, too, so you might not have extras.)

Reaper and/or Razorback might make a nice addition, although both are
terribly expensive; you don't have a lot of skills, though, so a nice,
well-rounded runner might come in handy.

Ripper's a cool card. I always used to overlook him. But he's got good
stats and a much-needed Tech skill.

> Gear:
> Bulldog Van(3)
> Dermal Plating(3)
> Muscle Replacement(3)
> City Spirit(3)
> Nature Spirit(3)
> Fireball(2)
> Heal(2)
> Sleep(2)
> Bullet Barrier
> Lucky Wabbit's Foot
> Maglock Passkey
> <24 cards>

That's an awful lot of spirits for just a few (one?) Runner who can use
them. Because of the Indoor/Outdoor thing, I suggest replacing them
with Elementals -- slightly weaker, but Wishbone can use two of them
anyway. Since he's got C-2, you might want to add in an ally Spirit;
the stat bonus is nice but the ability to duck damage is nicer.

Luckly you - you have an extra Passkey :P

> Challenges:
> Ambused en Route
> Highway Showdown
> The Big Chase
> Guardian Dracoform
> Nets
> Runners on Retainer
> Hunting Gargoyle(2)
> Mage Strike Force(2)
> Maglocks(2)
> Manticore(2)
> Mine Field(3)
> <17 cards>

Highway Showdown sticks out: None of your Runners have Piloting (but
then again - why do we always judge Challenges by whether the deck can
sleaze them or not?) Runners on Retainer is kind of surprising, too,
since none of your Runners are that tough - but I've always liked the
built-in Threat Rating better myself.

> Locations:
> Iron Lung(2)
> <2 cards>

No surprise here. :)

> Contacts:
> Squatter
> <1 card>

> Specials\Stingers:
> Riots(4)
> Nerps
> False Mentor
> Wild Goose Chase(2)
> Even Steven(2)
> <10 cards>

I'd really suggest some Loaded Dice; they help against the Bug
Challenge, Ripper's ability (when you want to make sure you get the
money) and the Lung. OK, it'll make your deck too big and I can't think
of anything to take out except the Riots...


-Matt

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Message no. 3
From: Norman McLeod <mcleodn@***********.NET>
Subject: My Deck
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:33:58 -0500
Hello all you shadowrunners out there! I am looking for some input on my
deck from more experienced players. Well, here it is. There is a bit of a
focus on decking and mages, and hopefully you guys can help me make that
work without imbalancing my skill selection. It's mainly a sleaze deck, with
sleaze to reset the alarm should it go off.
My Deck (72 Cards)
Runners (24):
-1 Static
-1 Ice Queen
-2 Hollywood
-4 Thrash
-Lord Torgo
-Macabre
-Razorback
-The Preacher
-2 Scarecrow
-Nightshade
-Shasta
-2 Tinkerbell
-2 Ajax
-2 Hawkwind
-Foxy Roxy
-Sam The Sleuth

Gear (15):
-2 Browse
-2 Sleaze
-Steamroller
-2 Invisibility
-2 Sleep
-2 Fireball
-2 Armor Spell
-Bullet Barrier
-Lucky Wabbit’s Foot

Other (10):
-2 Whoops!
-Nerps!
-Squatter
-2 Mr. Johnson
-Just A Rumor
-2 Luck O’ The Irish
-Talismonger

Challenges (24):
-2 Corpselight
-2 Hellish Traffic
-4 Maglocks
-Street Scum
-Hunting Gargoyle
-Ambushed En Route
-2 Lone Star Patrol
-2 Minefield
-2 Sabatged Controls
-Steppin’ Wolf Ambush
-Manticore
-Halloweener Hell
-Security Camera
-Fusion Gate
-Mafia Goons
-Mage Strike Force
Message no. 4
From: "Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)" <dirkkenn@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:13:13 -0800
Norman McLeod wrote:
>
> Hello all you shadowrunners out there! I am looking for some input on my
> deck from more experienced players. Well, here it is. There is a bit of a
> focus on decking and mages, and hopefully you guys can help me make that
> work without imbalancing my skill selection. It's mainly a sleaze deck, with
> sleaze to reset the alarm should it go off.
> My Deck (72 Cards)
> Runners (24):
> -1 Static
> -1 Ice Queen
> -2 Hollywood
> -4 Thrash
> -Lord Torgo
> -Macabre
> -Razorback
> -The Preacher
> -2 Scarecrow
> -Nightshade
> -Shasta
> -2 Tinkerbell
> -2 Ajax
> -2 Hawkwind
> -Foxy Roxy
> -Sam The Sleuth
>
> Gear (15):
> -2 Browse
> -2 Sleaze
> -Steamroller
> -2 Invisibility
> -2 Sleep
> -2 Fireball
> -2 Armor Spell
> -Bullet Barrier
> -Lucky Wabbit’s Foot
>
> Other (10):
> -2 Whoops!
> -Nerps!
> -Squatter
> -2 Mr. Johnson
> -Just A Rumor
> -2 Luck O’ The Irish
> -Talismonger
>
> Challenges (24):
> -2 Corpselight
> -2 Hellish Traffic
> -4 Maglocks
> -Street Scum
> -Hunting Gargoyle
> -Ambushed En Route
> -2 Lone Star Patrol
> -2 Minefield
> -2 Sabatged Controls
> -Steppin’ Wolf Ambush
> -Manticore
> -Halloweener Hell
> -Security Camera
> -Fusion Gate
> -Mafia Goons
> -Mage Strike Force

Might want to trim down the size of your deck. cut out some of the
challenges, and maybe a gear(matrix) card or 2. Just a thought.

Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)
Message no. 5
From: Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: My deck!
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:45:49 -0600
I have got my deck down to 60 cards.Thanks all you listmembers that
helped me do that.
--
What are you Bulking up to? Fatass? Superfatass? -Southpark kids
Message no. 6
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: My Deck
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:32:23 +0100
Hi again!

I´ve rebuilt my deck several times from the original, and now here´s my
60-card deck (I didn´t get Underworld yet). This deck might come into
trouble with lack of Challenges, but I can´t decide what to replace to
get a higher proportion of Challenges. Please comment if you have
sufficient experience. I´ve played a lot of tournaments (almost twice a
week since January), and the trouble is that I kept missing certain
cards I needed on my hand to win. Our champion´s deck is also a 60 card
deck, and mine has a lot of similarities with his. As I own all but 19
cards, feel free to make suggestions about cards to add or replace.

Objectives: Hive x2, Cermak x2, Sucker x4 (I took out the Brawls as it
came out that they were too easy to crack for my opponents).

Runners:
Skwraaaaaark! x2
Glitz x4
Thrash x4
Knuckles x3
Gore Tusk x4
Lord Torgo

Gear:
Hand Razors x4
Katana x3
Heavy Armor (Full) x2
Bulldog Van x4
Doc Wagon (Platinum)
Harley Scorpion x2
Lucky Wabbit´s Foot

Specials:
Tactics: Scatter
Blindsided
All Or Nothing
Luck O´The Irish
False Mentor
Wanted x3
Bad Reputation x2

Challenges:
Toxic Spirit x2
Corpselight x2
Killer Drone
Runners On Retainer x2
Kuenstliche Intelligenz
Heavy Sentry Gun
Booby Trap x2
Fusion Gate

Contacts:
Squatter
Mr. Johnson

Location: Iron Lung

Thanks, Felix
Message no. 7
From: "Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)" <dirkkenn@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:34:05 -0800
Felix Hoefert wrote:
>
> Hi again!
>
> I´ve rebuilt my deck several times from the original, and now here´s my
> 60-card deck (I didn´t get Underworld yet). This deck might come into
> trouble with lack of Challenges, but I can´t decide what to replace to
> get a higher proportion of Challenges. Please comment if you have
> sufficient experience. I´ve played a lot of tournaments (almost twice a
> week since January), and the trouble is that I kept missing certain
> cards I needed on my hand to win. Our champion´s deck is also a 60 card
> deck, and mine has a lot of similarities with his. As I own all but 19
> cards, feel free to make suggestions about cards to add or replace.
>
> Objectives: Hive x2, Cermak x2, Sucker x4 (I took out the Brawls as it
> came out that they were too easy to crack for my opponents).
>
> Runners:
> Skwraaaaaark! x2
> Glitz x4
> Thrash x4
> Knuckles x3
> Gore Tusk x4
> Lord Torgo
>
> Gear:
> Hand Razors x4
> Katana x3
> Heavy Armor (Full) x2
> Bulldog Van x4
> Doc Wagon (Platinum)
> Harley Scorpion x2
> Lucky Wabbit´s Foot
>
> Specials:
> Tactics: Scatter
> Blindsided
> All Or Nothing
> Luck O´The Irish
> False Mentor
> Wanted x3
> Bad Reputation x2
>
> Challenges:
> Toxic Spirit x2
> Corpselight x2
> Killer Drone
> Runners On Retainer x2
> Kuenstliche Intelligenz
> Heavy Sentry Gun
> Booby Trap x2
> Fusion Gate
>
> Contacts:
> Squatter
> Mr. Johnson
>
> Location: Iron Lung
>
> Thanks, FelixOK, here's my humble imput. First, you
need to add more objectives. You
must have 6 objectives, and sucker run does NOT count toward that
minimum. The runners look great. You might not need 4 bulldog vans in
your deck. I would also take out the bad reputations. Chances are that
(except for your famers) most of your guys are big enough they probably
wont get attacked too often. Finally, throw a few extra challenges in.
Most decks work well between 60 and 70 cards. If you took out the cards
I suggested (say 2 bulldog van and 2 bad rep), and added threw in 6
additonal challenges, your deck would only be 62 cards. For the
challenges, well, I've always been partial to maglocks.

Just my two cents worth

Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)
Message no. 8
From: Gumbyflex1 <Gumbyflex1@***.COM>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:32:38 EST
In a message dated 98-03-19 18:21:32 EST, you write:

<<
Runners:
Skwraaaaaark! x2
Glitz x4
Thrash x4
Knuckles x3
Gore Tusk x4
Lord Torgo >>
my ideas on this deck is to put in stompers instead of the goretusks
---reason, 1 less to cast and they get more use out of the katanas/hand razors
yes i know that they are bigger and tougher butwhat you need in a deck like is
armor not toughness, the power is added when you drop the wepons on him.
also, two mors skwraaaaaark's couldnt hurt

to solve the challenge problem, just intercept the first time your opponent
trys to run then just draw up and hopefully you will pull challenges. a key
point to remember also is that not many decks can take the hive early on even
if there isno challenges on it so if you can, leave it bare till you have
extra challenges to drop there

hope this can help alittle
-J
Message no. 9
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:34:49 -0800
---Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE> wrote:
>
> Objectives: Hive x2, Cermak x2, Sucker x4 (I took out the Brawls as it
> came out that they were too easy to crack for my opponents).

First issue is here. According to our SRCard Q&A, Jim & Skuzzy have
stated that Suckers don't count towards the minimum of six Challenges.
You either need to add a couple more or trade out two of the Suckers.
"Waking the Dead" from Underworld may be a good choice for fitting
with your choices.

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Message no. 10
From: "Jens P. DrÀger" <a1616@****.UNI-BAYREUTH.DE>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:25:25 +0100
Ken Dirk (DrugDoc) wrote:
>
> Felix Hoefert wrote:
> >
> > Runners:
> > Skwraaaaaark! x2
> > Glitz x4
> > Thrash x4
> > Knuckles x3
> > Gore Tusk x4
> > Lord Torgo
> >
> > Gear:
> > Hand Razors x4
> > Katana x3
> > Heavy Armor (Full) x2
> > Bulldog Van x4
> > Doc Wagon (Platinum)
> > Harley Scorpion x2
> > Lucky Wabbit´s Foot
> >
> > Specials:
> > Tactics: Scatter
> > Blindsided
> > All Or Nothing
> > Luck O´The Irish
> > False Mentor
> > Wanted x3
> > Bad Reputation x2
> >
> > Challenges:
> > Toxic Spirit x2
> > Corpselight x2
> > Killer Drone
> > Runners On Retainer x2
> > Kuenstliche Intelligenz
> > Heavy Sentry Gun
> > Booby Trap x2
> > Fusion Gate
> >
> > Contacts:
> > Squatter
> > Mr. Johnson
> >
> > Location: Iron Lung
> >
> > Thanks, FelixOK, here's my humble imput. First,
you need to add more objectives. You
> must have 6 objectives, and sucker run does NOT count toward that
> minimum. The runners look great. You might not need 4 bulldog vans in
> your deck. I would also take out the bad reputations. Chances are that
> (except for your famers) most of your guys are big enough they probably
> wont get attacked too often. Finally, throw a few extra challenges in.
> Most decks work well between 60 and 70 cards. If you took out the cards
> I suggested (say 2 bulldog van and 2 bad rep), and added threw in 6
> additonal challenges, your deck would only be 62 cards. For the
> challenges, well, I've always been partial to maglocks.
>
> Just my two cents worth

Oh, in the beginning everyone around here loved the Maglock too - but
now that I have a few Maglocks Passkeys that challenge isn't a real
challenge anymore :-)
You might want to add a Cherry Bomb to your runners - never know if
someone's not playing Fuchi... or just to destroy their Iron Lung and
see them work hard to get through their deck!

Jens P.
Message no. 11
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:41:47 +0100
Loki wrote:
>
> ---Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE> wrote:
> >
> > Objectives: Hive x2, Cermak x2, Sucker x4 (I took out the Brawls as it
> > came out that they were too easy to crack for my opponents).
>
> First issue is here. According to our SRCard Q&A, Jim & Skuzzy have
> stated that Suckers don't count towards the minimum of six Challenges.
> You either need to add a couple more or trade out two of the Suckers.
Yeah, I knew that. Just something I overlooked. ---Felix
Message no. 12
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:40:44 +0100
Gumbyflex1 wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-03-19 18:21:32 EST, you write:
>
> <<
> Runners:
> Skwraaaaaark! x2
> Glitz x4
> Thrash x4
> Knuckles x3
> Gore Tusk x4
> Lord Torgo >>
> my ideas on this deck is to put in stompers instead of the goretusks
> ---reason, 1 less to cast and they get more use out of the katanas/hand razors
> yes i know that they are bigger and tougher butwhat you need in a deck like is
> armor not toughness, the power is added when you drop the wepons on him.
As far as I see it, there´s no benefit of Stomper over Gore Tusk with a
Katana - the final Attack value is the same. I want to reserve the Hand
Razors for my Skwraaaaaarks, if possible. ---Felix
Message no. 13
From: Jon Palmer <jmp225@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:24:30 -0500
>Gumbyflex1 wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 98-03-19 18:21:32 EST, you write:
>>
>> <<
>> Runners:
>> Skwraaaaaark! x2
>> Glitz x4
>> Thrash x4
>> Knuckles x3
>> Gore Tusk x4
>> Lord Torgo >>
>> my ideas on this deck is to put in stompers instead of the goretusks
>> ---reason, 1 less to cast and they get more use out of the katanas/hand
>>razors
>> yes i know that they are bigger and tougher butwhat you need in a deck li=
ke
>>is
>> armor not toughness, the power is added when you drop the wepons on him.
>As far as I see it, there´s no benefit of Stomper over Gore Tusk with a
>Katana - the final Attack value is the same. I want to reserve the Hand
>Razors for my Skwraaaaaarks, if possible. ---Felix

Um... Stomper doesn't trip personnel alarms, or damage guys with that new
UW special. And isn't he 1¥ cheaper?

Jon Palmer
Message no. 14
From: Norman McLeod <mcleodn@***********.NET>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:31:08 -0500
>As far as I see it, there´s no benefit of Stomper over Gore Tusk with a
>Katana - the final Attack value is the same. I want to reserve the Hand
>Razors for my Skwraaaaaarks, if possible. ---Felix


There are 3 advantages:
1) No antisocial
2)He's cheaper to get on the table
3)Stamina
Message no. 15
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:22:32 +0100
Jon Palmer wrote:
> Um... Stomper doesn't trip personnel alarms, or damage guys with that new
> UW special. And isn't he 1¥ cheaper?
I made the mistake of overlooking the Stamina of Stomper - I changed it
back. The one Nuyen really doesn´t make me care much. As far as other
changes go, I´ll have to wait ´til I get the Underworld set - that
should be next week, hopefully. ---Felix
Message no. 16
From: Shawn Plume <plumes@*********.COM>
Subject: My Deck
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:21:32 -0600
Runners (19)

Glitz x 4
Thrash x 4
Tin Man x 4
Macabre x 4
Tempest x 3

Challenges (17)

Maglocks x 4
Security Camera x 3
Gut Check x 3
Double Jeopardy x 2
Swarm of Drones x 2
Guardian Dracoform x 1
Guardian Earth Elemental x 1
Guardian Fire Elemental x 1

Stingers (19)

Green Apple Quicksteps x 3
Bad Reputation x 2
All or Nothing x 2
Blindsided x 2
Wild Goose Chase x 2
Change of Plans x 2
Lofwyr's Schemes x 2
Cowards x 2
False Mentor x 1

Specials (5)

Wanted x 3
Bar Fight x 2

Locations (2)

The Iron Lung x 2

Contacts (3)

Mr. Black x 3

Objectives (6)

Sucker Run x 2
Room 5B78 x 2
Cleanse the Hive x 2


This deck I found to make people pull there hairs out. Most of the time I
only need to make 1 objetive to win a 80 point game. It has backfire against
quick decks because it takes me about 3 to 4 turns to have everything in
place. Blindsided and Lofwyr's Schemes have won me alot of games. The
dealers are so slow here I'm finally getting Underworld tomorrow. It's about
time. If anyone out there is from Calgary, Alberta or area that wants to
play, e-mail me. There's next to no one to play here.

Shawn
(plumes@*********.com)
Message no. 17
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:48:40 -0700
Shawn Plume wrote:

> Objectives (6)

> Sucker Run x 2
> Room 5B78 x 2
> Cleanse the Hive x 2

FASA's made the announcement that Sucker Run does not count toward the
minimum number of Objectives needed. Should be erratad in Second Run.


- Matt

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Message no. 18
From: Shawn Plume <plumes@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: My Deck
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:22:06 -0600
At 09:48 PM 5/4/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Shawn Plume wrote:
>
>> Objectives (6)
>
>> Sucker Run x 2
>> Room 5B78 x 2
>> Cleanse the Hive x 2
>
>FASA's made the announcement that Sucker Run does not count toward the
>minimum number of Objectives needed. Should be erratad in Second Run.
>
>
>- Matt
>
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>For I am drunk and full of reasons....
>
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>
>
Matt,

Thanks alot, I'll make the change today.

"frantic"

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