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Message no. 1
From: Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: my *new* card
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:32:14 -0600
Well here he is:
Salsa-man - Human (prime) decker
Cost:4
Skills:technical 3,decking 4
Ratings: 1/3
Traits:recon,anti-social,hermit
Text:First program and deck are free.
flavor Text:"Don't throw that away.We might be able to use that again."

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What are you Bulking up to? Fatass? Superfatass? -Southpark kids
Message no. 2
From: Bradley Aaron Rebh <brebh@*****.BGSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: my *new* card
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:19:20 -0500
On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Wyrmy wrote:

> Well here he is:
> Salsa-man - Human (prime) decker
> Cost:4
> Skills:technical 3,decking 4
> Ratings: 1/3
> Traits:recon,anti-social,hermit
> Text:First program and deck are free.
> flavor Text:"Don't throw that away.We might be able to use that again."

Wow, if that isn't a cost effective card, I don't know what is. First
off, you've made him a prime runner without an upkeep cost? Secondly,
he's basically the Mole except he's 1 less in attack/defense and you've
given him anti-social, but you've added recon, technical +2, and decking
+3 AND the first program given to him is free also. Why have you left
the cost of the card the same as the mole if he's so much better!?

Fastjack is a 1/3 with technical 4 and decking 4 and he's a prime runner
with a cost of 7 and an upkeep of 1. Plus his special ability requires
you to spend 4=Y= to use. You could deploy your card with a fairlight and
2 crashes for a meezly 4 =Y=, when the amount it could normally cost is 18
simply for the gear alone. Granted, your runner has 2 negative effects
(anti-social and hermit, but they should only reduce the cost by 2 at the
most.

Let's reevalute some costs here. OK, you have The Mole:
The Mole
Cost: 4=Y=
Skills: Decking Technical
Rating: 2/4
Traits: hermit
Text: first cyberdeck is free.

I'd say -1/-1 would be worth -1 =Y=

anti-social and recon would cancel each other out (I don't know if that's
fair, but it's probably close enough)

IMO, every 2 skills should add 1 to the cost, just to make things seem a
little more even from the recon/anti-social balance, I'd say add 3=Y=

add at least 1 more =Y= from the free program

we have a grand total of keeping in mind the mole's base 4=Y=, the total
come sout to =7=

I don't know if this is the perfect cost, but I think it's at least a
little closer.

Did I figure things right everyone? I think we need a cost breakdown from
the Skuz-man. :)

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Bradley Aaron Rebh

brebh@*****.bgsu.edu
http://art.bgsu.edu/~rebh

920 E.Wooster #4
Bowling Green, OH 43402
419.353.2405
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Message no. 3
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: my *new* card
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:30:26 -0800
---Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET> wrote:
>
> Well here he is:
> Salsa-man - Human (prime) decker
> Cost:4
> Skills:technical 3,decking 4
> Ratings: 1/3
> Traits:recon,anti-social,hermit
> Text:First program and deck are free.
> flavor Text:"Don't throw that away.We might be able to use that
again."

Ahem, 4¥ to deploy a prime runner w/o upkeep... 7 points of skill
(decking in the ranks of Fastjack and Dodger), recon (anti-social and
hermit aren't overly burdening flaws for a decker), and he gets two
items of gear for free?

Mildly under priced isn't he?

Perhaps we're also losing site of the fact the Axl's original post was
what would your card read if you as a RL person were to enter the
SRTCG. Decking four is probably beyond MCSE, we're talking NASA
scientist, IT terrorist or Bill Gate's chief design engineer here.

Sorry, but the 4¥ caught me first thing. Heck, that was the cost I put
on J.J. and he's not even in a different ballpark then this decker
he's playing a whole different sport. :o)

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Message no. 4
From: Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: my *new* card
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:46:20 -0600
>
> Mildly under priced isn't he?

Well to compensate,I decided to put a No armor,no guns,no cyberware on
him,And increase his price to 9 =Y=.Happy now?;-]
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Message no. 5
From: Doug <d.clarke@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: my *new* card
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:46:44 -0800
---Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET> wrote:>Well here he is:
>Salsa-man - Human (prime) decker
>Cost:4
>Skills:technical 3,decking 4
>Ratings: 1/3
>Traits:recon,anti-social,hermit
>Text:First program and deck are free.
>flavor Text:"Don't throw that away.We might be
>able to use that again."

And then changed to

>Salsa-man - Human (prime) decker
>Cost:9
>Skills:technical 3,decking 4
>Ratings: 1/3
>Traits:recon,anti-social,hermit
>Text:First program and deck are free. No armor,no guns,no cyberware.
>flavor Text:"Don't throw that away.We might be
>able to use that again."

So Wyrmy,
What do you do for a living? I've been programming computer (writing
applications and creating operating systems) for 15 years and I gave
myself Decking 2. I've also worked as an Electronic Engineer for 5 years
so I gave myself Technical 1.

Are you building your own computers from scratch (hardware and
software) and using then to break into the Pentagon?

I am glad to see that you used your decking 4 to get your system clock
set.

Doug.
Message no. 6
From: Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: my *new* card
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:32:34 -0600
> I am glad to see that you used your decking 4 to get your system clock
> set.
Sorry.I am just a kid,but I posted this card just to be odd,and because
I was bored.I hope that was just a joke.If it was you shopuld have used
a smily.
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What are you Bulking up to? Fatass? Superfatass? -Southpark kids
Message no. 7
From: Bradley Aaron Rebh <brebh@*****.BGSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: my *new* card
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:05:29 -0500
On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Wyrmy wrote:

> > I am glad to see that you used your decking 4 to get your system clock
> > set.
> Sorry.I am just a kid,but I posted this card just to be odd,and because
> I was bored.I hope that was just a joke.If it was you shopuld have used
> a smily.
> --

With your obvious knowledge of netiquette and the use of the smiley, I
would give you Social of 4 as well.

Pick your smiley chummer.
:P :) ;) :> :]

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Bradley Aaron Rebh

brebh@*****.bgsu.edu
http://art.bgsu.edu/~rebh

920 E.Wooster #4
Bowling Green, OH 43402
419.353.2405
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Message no. 8
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: my *new* card
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:17:02 -0800
Bradley Aaron Rebh wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Wyrmy wrote:

(ksnip)

> With your obvious knowledge of netiquette and the use of the smiley, I
> would give you Social of 4 as well.

> Pick your smiley chummer.
> :P :) ;) :> :]

|| THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL GRIDSEC REPRIMAND ||

... but, Bradley, that last smiley :] is trademarked
with Bull's name on it.

Next time I won't go so light -- I'll have to smack you with
one (or more?) of Bull's old cyberarms.



..Yeah, there was a smiley after that GridSec crack, too.


-Matt

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"I will work harder." -- Boxer: Animal Hero, First-Class

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Message no. 9
From: Bradley Aaron Rebh <brebh@*****.BGSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: my *new* card
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:23:27 -0500
On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Matb wrote:

> Bradley Aaron Rebh wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Wyrmy wrote:
>
> (ksnip)
>
> > With your obvious knowledge of netiquette and the use of the smiley, I
> > would give you Social of 4 as well.
>
> > Pick your smiley chummer.
> > :P :) ;) :> :]
>
> || THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL GRIDSEC REPRIMAND ||
>
> ... but, Bradley, that last smiley :] is trademarked
> with Bull's name on it.
>
> Next time I won't go so light -- I'll have to smack you with
> one (or more?) of Bull's old cyberarms.

Guess I have a have poor netiquette also. Apologies to Bull and all who
would be offended by this, bummer too, after I typed the smiley, I liked
how it looked and planned on using it again. :(



-----------------------------------------
Bradley Aaron Rebh

brebh@*****.bgsu.edu
http://art.bgsu.edu/~rebh

920 E.Wooster #4
Bowling Green, OH 43402
419.353.2405
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Message no. 10
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: my *new* card
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:31:34 -0800
Bradley Aaron Rebh wrote:
> > > Pick your smiley chummer.
> > > :P :) ;) :> :]

> > ... but, Bradley, that last smiley :] is trademarked
> > with Bull's name on it.

> Guess I have a have poor netiquette also. Apologies to Bull and all who
> would be offended by this, bummer too, after I typed the smiley, I liked
> how it looked and planned on using it again. :(

<veiled WotC bash>
I'm sure Bull might be willing to license it out to you, if you agree
to his terms.... :)

Speaking of Comrade Ratkovich, anyone heard from him lately?


-Matt

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"I will work harder." -- Boxer: Animal Hero, First-Class

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Message no. 11
From: Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: my *new* card
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:30:53 -0600
> Pick your smiley chummer.
> :P :) ;) :> :]
I pick Choice F, ;^]
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What are you Bulking up to? Fatass? Superfatass? -Southpark kids

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