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Message no. 1
From: ">>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<<" <axlrose@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT Big Time...] [FASA] 2nd posting of Skitz
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:26:48 -0500
At 02:58 PM 4/3/98 -0800, Loki wrote:

<Snipped Steven's post...>

>I've seen four wrong answers from personal opinions so far...

As I successfully argued against a philosophy professor that dealt with
logic problems, having a personal opinion does not make a wrong answer.
Just because FASA sent you an e-mail about an issue that because of their
nature - they made the game, therefore what they decide is 'fact', another
disagreeing with or having another opinion all-together different from said
'fact' does not make it wrong. There have been past replies from FASA I
did not agree with. My opinion does not make me wrong. If I was
participating in a tournament sanctioned by them, there would be the rules
I would follow. If I was playing the game with the locals and had house
rules, those rules would not be wrong just because they are not following
FASA's official example.

Again, it really seems to me that as of late, too many cards are falling
into a pattern of question. Pick a card, then possibly pick another card
as a combination. One person has one opinion while another has another
opinion. A few debates rage on here for about an hour or two before the
infamous (and again Loki, not directed towards you, but you seem to be the
'fall guy' with this), "Loki, can you ask the DLOH for an official ruling
on <said card combo here>." FASA replies, Loki posts the reply, the
winners cheer, while the loosers still don't agree. That argument fizzles
before another pops up. The point is, I think instead of having fun and
going with the flow of the game (mixed in with a bit of common sense), too
many want everything cut and dried. They want said card to do this and
only this under all conditions. Add a different card which would alter
that condition, and one or the other ~has~ to be changed, because things
have to be too ordered, too precise.

My thoughts on the recent influx of messages.


<Snipped FASA's reply, signature, all that extra stuff...>

Who said trolls have to be 'dumb'?
>>>>>Axlrose - ...<<<<<

P.S. Much thanks for the sigs Loki, though I have not received them yet...
Message no. 2
From: Bradley Aaron Rebh <brebh@*****.BGSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: [OT Big Time...] [FASA] 2nd posting of Skitz
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:38:46 -0500
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, >>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<< wrote:

> At 02:58 PM 4/3/98 -0800, Loki wrote:
>
> <Snipped Steven's post...>
>
> >I've seen four wrong answers from personal opinions so far...
>
> My thoughts on the recent influx of messages.

Here here Axl! Good post, couldn't have said it better myself.

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Message no. 3
From: Jon Palmer <jmp225@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: [OT Big Time...] [FASA] 2nd posting of Skitz
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:09:56 -0500
>Again, it really seems to me that as of late, too many cards are falling
>into a pattern of question. Pick a card, then possibly pick another card
>as a combination. One person has one opinion while another has another
>opinion. A few debates rage on here for about an hour or two before the
>infamous (and again Loki, not directed towards you, but you seem to be the
>'fall guy' with this), "Loki, can you ask the DLOH for an official ruling
>on <said card combo here>." FASA replies, Loki posts the reply, the
>winners cheer, while the loosers still don't agree. That argument fizzles
>before another pops up. The point is, I think instead of having fun and
>going with the flow of the game (mixed in with a bit of common sense), too
>many want everything cut and dried. They want said card to do this and
>only this under all conditions. Add a different card which would alter
>that condition, and one or the other ~has~ to be changed, because things
>have to be too ordered, too precise.

Better to have a lot of rulings that make SENSE than have every single card
have it's own ruling, a la Magic. I don't know Jim or Mike, but I'd assume
they're not offended by any criticism. On the L5R listservers, lead
designer Dave Williams often answers rules questions directly. Sometimes,
he doesn't even answer them right, at which point other people pipe up, and
he's more than willing to change his ruling. I'd think Jim & Mike are the
same way. It might be better for the game if they were actually ON this
listserver, but I don't know what time constraints they face so I'm not
gonna be judgmental or anything. Just an observation from my experience.

Jon Palmer
Message no. 4
From: "Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)" <dirkkenn@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: [OT Big Time...] [FASA] 2nd posting of Skitz
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:39:26 -0800
>>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<< wrote:
>
> At 02:58 PM 4/3/98 -0800, Loki wrote:
>
> <Snipped Steven's post...>
>
> >I've seen four wrong answers from personal opinions so far...
>
> As I successfully argued against a philosophy professor that dealt with
> logic problems, having a personal opinion does not make a wrong answer.
> Just because FASA sent you an e-mail about an issue that because of their
> nature - they made the game, therefore what they decide is 'fact', another
> disagreeing with or having another opinion all-together different from said
> 'fact' does not make it wrong. There have been past replies from FASA I
> did not agree with. My opinion does not make me wrong. If I was
> participating in a tournament sanctioned by them, there would be the rules
> I would follow. If I was playing the game with the locals and had house
> rules, those rules would not be wrong just because they are not following
> FASA's official example.
>
> Again, it really seems to me that as of late, too many cards are falling
> into a pattern of question. Pick a card, then possibly pick another card
> as a combination. One person has one opinion while another has another
> opinion. A few debates rage on here for about an hour or two before the
> infamous (and again Loki, not directed towards you, but you seem to be the
> 'fall guy' with this), "Loki, can you ask the DLOH for an official ruling
> on <said card combo here>." FASA replies, Loki posts the reply, the
> winners cheer, while the loosers still don't agree. That argument fizzles
> before another pops up. The point is, I think instead of having fun and
> going with the flow of the game (mixed in with a bit of common sense), too
> many want everything cut and dried. They want said card to do this and
> only this under all conditions. Add a different card which would alter
> that condition, and one or the other ~has~ to be changed, because things
> have to be too ordered, too precise.
>
> My thoughts on the recent influx of messages.
>
> <Snipped FASA's reply, signature, all that extra stuff...>
>
> Who said trolls have to be 'dumb'?
> >>>>>Axlrose - ...<<<<<

Got to agree with this one. Sometimes we forget in arguing about the
rules that fun is the most important "objective" of all.

Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)

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