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Message no. 1
From: Sorrow <sorrow@*******.ORG>
Subject: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:26:35 -0500
Recently, I participated in an auction where this person
was selling his entire collection. Following it's progress,
it amazed me how much people were willing to pay for
some of these cards. $25 for the Guardian Dracoform
ad card? $15 for Tempest? $15 for Hatchetman 2057?
Don't these numbers seem somewhat outrageous? I
realize that this is what people are willing to pay, but are
these cards *that* rare so as to illicit such a bid? One
of the bidders has, as of the most current update, bid
$201 for just 33 cards. You could buy 4 *boxes* for that
price. I'm kind of curious if FASA knows what kind of market
the poor distribution of the 1st run has produced?

Please, don't misunderstand this post. I'm not criticizing
anything or anyone, but am just expressing my incredulity.

Sorrow
-almost tempted to start auctioning my rares off...
---
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anymore |--------------------------------
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Message no. 2
From: Kama <kama@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:43:29 -0400
On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Sorrow wrote:

> Recently, I participated in an auction where this person
> was selling his entire collection. Following it's progress,
> it amazed me how much people were willing to pay for
> some of these cards. $25 for the Guardian Dracoform
> ad card? $15 for Tempest? $15 for Hatchetman 2057?
> Don't these numbers seem somewhat outrageous? I
> realize that this is what people are willing to pay, but are
> these cards *that* rare so as to illicit such a bid? One
> of the bidders has, as of the most current update, bid
> $201 for just 33 cards. You could buy 4 *boxes* for that
> price. I'm kind of curious if FASA knows what kind of market
> the poor distribution of the 1st run has produced?
>
> Please, don't misunderstand this post. I'm not criticizing
> anything or anyone, but am just expressing my incredulity.
>
> Sorrow

I know! I know! As one of the people paying ridculous prices I keep
shaking my head at myself. But, when I know completing the set will be the
perfect christmas present for my spouse, I'm not about to quibble about
price even though some of the numbers are shocking. I raised the
bid on the Dracoform Ad to $30 (though if my spouse found out how much I
paid . . . )

- Kama
Message no. 3
From: Noah Overton <NOAH_OVERTON@*************.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:50:21 -0700
>>>
>>>Recently, I participated in an auction where this person
was selling his entire collection. Following it's progress, it amazed
me how much people were willing to pay for
some of these cards. $25 for the Guardian Dracoform ad card? $15 for
Tempest? $15 for Hatchetman 2057? Don't these numbers seem somewhat
outrageous? I
realize that this is what people are willing to pay, but are these
cards *that* rare so as to illicit such a bid? One
of the bidders has, as of the most current update, bid $201 for just
33 cards. You could buy 4 *boxes* for that
price. I'm kind of curious if FASA knows what kind of market the poor
distribution of the 1st run has produced?

Please, don't misunderstand this post. I'm not criticizing anything
or anyone, but am just expressing my incredulity.

Sorrow
-almost tempted to start auctioning my rares off...

>>>>>>>>>>
i agree with you. It seems that to some people the cards are
worth a lot more money then you would think they would be
worth. to me personally. i would never pay more then $4.00
for any card. and i would only go that high if i really need
that card now. for the most part i will not pay more then
about $2.00 for a card. if you think about, you can buy a box
of cards for $69 that includes s/h. so in fact you get 36
rare cards for $69 dollars. so with some quick math you can
see that each rare would cost $1.92. now you say but that
does not make sure i get the cards i want, and that is what
trading is for. and that is what i like most about this list
and game most people still believe that a rare is worth a
rare and not some crazy stuff like. "i want 3 cards for my
1". now granted some of the promo will and can pull a 2 for 1
but i can see that. because if you "bought the magazine with
the card in it probably cost you close to $5.

well i guess i will end this rant by saying, please dont turn
this game into magic or star wars, dont start putting money
value on the cards. this is a fun game not a money making
venture. leave that to the magic geek.

words from "DA' PUCK"



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Subject: [OT] Cards Worth
Author: Non-HP-sorrow (sorrow@*******.ORG) at
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Date: 8/27/98 7:26 AM


Recently, I participated in an auction where this person
was selling his entire collection. Following it's progress,
it amazed me how much people were willing to pay for
some of these cards. $25 for the Guardian Dracoform ad card?
$15 for Tempest? $15 for Hatchetman 2057? Don't these
numbers seem somewhat outrageous? I
realize that this is what people are willing to pay, but are
these cards *that* rare so as to illicit such a bid? One
of the bidders has, as of the most current update, bid $201
for just 33 cards. You could buy 4 *boxes* for that
price. I'm kind of curious if FASA knows what kind of market
the poor distribution of the 1st run has produced?

Please, don't misunderstand this post. I'm not criticizing
anything or anyone, but am just expressing my incredulity.

Sorrow
-almost tempted to start auctioning my rares off...
---
I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am
anymore |--------------------------------
I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...?
anymore | you never seen anyone try to
I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon
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Message no. 4
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:25:39 -0700
---Sorrow <sorrow@*******.ORG> wrote:
>
> Recently, I participated in an auction where this person
> was selling his entire collection. Following it's progress,
> it amazed me how much people were willing to pay for
> some of these cards. $25 for the Guardian Dracoform
> ad card? $15 for Tempest? $15 for Hatchetman 2057?
> Don't these numbers seem somewhat outrageous? I
> realize that this is what people are willing to pay, but are
> these cards *that* rare so as to illicit such a bid? One
> of the bidders has, as of the most current update, bid
> $201 for just 33 cards. You could buy 4 *boxes* for that
> price. I'm kind of curious if FASA knows what kind of market
> the poor distribution of the 1st run has produced?
>
> Please, don't misunderstand this post. I'm not criticizing
> anything or anyone, but am just expressing my incredulity.

You know what they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Not saying
any cards are trash, mind you. ;o) Still, some collector's consider the ad
cards or slugs essential to a complete collection, where another person may
have no interest. The value of a given card is purely an objective and
personal matter.

With your comment about poor distribution creating a given market, and that
the cost of a few cards at an auction could buy boxes, you need to realize
something. A couple of those high bid cards - Dracoform Ad Card and H-man 2057
- aren't available in boxes. The ad cards are only available via hand outs at
cons and such, and I didn't see any at the last couple of cons. H-man 2057 is
a promo no longer available, even FASA hasn't had him at their corp HQ for the
last few months. This is probably why they went so high at a collector's
auction.

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Message no. 5
From: Bolton Sara <Sara.bolton@****.BE>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:29:01 +0200
At 09:26 27/08/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Recently, I participated in an auction where this person
<<<<<snip>>>>>
$25 for the Guardian Dracoform ad card? $15 for Tempest? $15 for
Hatchetman 2057?
>Don't these numbers seem somewhat outrageous? You could buy 4 *boxes* for that
>price. I'm kind of curious if FASA knows what kind of market the poor
distribution of the 1st run has produced?
<<<<SNIP>>>>
>Please, don't misunderstand this post. I'm not criticizing
>anything or anyone, but am just expressing my incredulity.
>
Some things to say here:

First, i'll try to get the Guardian Dracoform ad card myself, and would
probaly still be bidding if the post office tax (fee?) for international
money order would not have been so high, it's the only one i need to have a
full set and it is unaivaible in Belgium (i will probably post a big trade
offer for it soon)

second, we are still far away of the price of certain M:TG cards (nearly
300$ for a piece of paper with "Black Lotus" writen on it, that's outrageous!)

Last, well you could buy a box of booster and don't have any of the cards
you are looking for, and as some of them are very hard to find on trade
(skwaaaaark!,.....) so it is somewhat normal people who are looking for them
since a long time pay a high price.(I just hope this will not give people a
false idea of card's value.)

Vincent"lost again" Schmitt.
Message no. 6
From: Sorrow <sorrow@*******.ORG>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:31:51 -0500
>With your comment about poor distribution creating a given market, and that
>the cost of a few cards at an auction could buy boxes, you need to realize
>something. A couple of those high bid cards - Dracoform Ad Card and H-man
>2057 - aren't available in boxes.

You are right. I gave poor examples. There were plenty of other cards that
were going for that price ($10-$15+) that are available in boxes. And while
I haven't seen the ad card in trade lists, I have seen H-man 2056, Maglock
Passkeys and the other promos. Granted, not that frequently, but still made
available.

Sorrow
---
I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am
anymore |--------------------------------
I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...?
anymore | you never seen anyone try to
I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon
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Message no. 7
From: Tatsulong <tiehlong@******.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:43:49 -0500
You are correct Sorrow. FASA has done a piss poor job of distribution. I
have purchased 8 boxes, note that is 8 boxes at 90.00 dollars a box plus
tax. Thats 720.00 dollars and guess what, no fairlight excaliber, no humanis
policlub ganger, no draco form, and there were 10 other cards. Now explain
to me how this could happen. So your saying the bids are getting outrageous,
you are correct, how do we know some of these people really exist and are
not just bidding to bid to drive the prices up, we do not and cannot assume
this. So what is one left to do except accept the facts as they are.

Sorrow wrote:

> Recently, I participated in an auction where this person
> was selling his entire collection. Following it's progress,
> it amazed me how much people were willing to pay for
> some of these cards. $25 for the Guardian Dracoform
> ad card? $15 for Tempest? $15 for Hatchetman 2057?
> Don't these numbers seem somewhat outrageous? I
> realize that this is what people are willing to pay, but are
> these cards *that* rare so as to illicit such a bid? One
> of the bidders has, as of the most current update, bid
> $201 for just 33 cards. You could buy 4 *boxes* for that
> price. I'm kind of curious if FASA knows what kind of market
> the poor distribution of the 1st run has produced?
>
> Please, don't misunderstand this post. I'm not criticizing
> anything or anyone, but am just expressing my incredulity.
>
> Sorrow
> -almost tempted to start auctioning my rares off...
> ---
> I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am
> anymore |--------------------------------
> I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...?
> anymore | you never seen anyone try to
> I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Message no. 8
From: Mo'ike Manawa <ManawaWolf@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:06:01 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-27 11:32:31 EDT, you write:

<< >Recently, I participated in an auction where this person
<<<<<snip>>>>>
$25 for the Guardian Dracoform ad card? $15 for Tempest? $15 for
Hatchetman 2057?
>Don't these numbers seem somewhat outrageous? >>


Well, as the person who took Tempest into the double digits originally I must
say that this is the most I have EVER offered for a card and I have been
trading cards for almost three years for a few different games. I originally
had Tempest but when my roommate started to get interested I gace her half of
my cards. Now the deck that I have built could really use Tempest's boost and
can't trade anything for her. Heck I even offered Skills to Pay the Bills,
Blindsided, and Reinforcements to no avail. Like was said, it's a buyer's
market out there with how bad distribution was. I mean c'mon, the game has
been out for how long and most of us are still looking for mostly 1st Run? I
personally got a complete set of Underworld when I bought one box. Thus far,
it has been completely impossible to get about half the good rare cards and I
own two boxes of starters and one box of Boosters. Maybe Second Run will
clean things up a bit, but until then I think there are going be some even
higher numbers on auction forums.
Message no. 9
From: Joshua Cho <YuHyunCho@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:43:09 EDT
In a message dated 8/27/98 10:29:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sorrow@*******.ORG writes:

>
> Recently, I participated in an auction where this person
> was selling his entire collection. Following it's progress,
> it amazed me how much people were willing to pay for
> some of these cards. $25 for the Guardian Dracoform
> ad card? $15 for Tempest? $15 for Hatchetman 2057?
> Don't these numbers seem somewhat outrageous? I
> realize that this is what people are willing to pay, but are
> these cards *that* rare so as to illicit such a bid? One
> of the bidders has, as of the most current update, bid
> $201 for just 33 cards. You could buy 4 *boxes* for that
> price. I'm kind of curious if FASA knows what kind of market
> the poor distribution of the 1st run has produced?
>
> Please, don't misunderstand this post. I'm not criticizing
> anything or anyone, but am just expressing my incredulity.

Hmm... for Tempest, I can almost see it go for that high a price... but
guardian dracoform and hatchetman are both unique, so they shouldn't be that
hard to get... Perhaps some people just aren't very in turn with the going
prices. Certainly, most of us would never pay such prices.
4 boxes for about $200? where do they sell them that cheap?

jc
Message no. 10
From: Joshua Cho <YuHyunCho@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:46:39 EDT
In a message dated 8/27/98 11:29:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
daddyjim@**********.COM writes:

> With your comment about poor distribution creating a given market, and that
> the cost of a few cards at an auction could buy boxes, you need to realize
> something. A couple of those high bid cards - Dracoform Ad Card and H-man
> 2057
> - aren't available in boxes. The ad cards are only available via hand outs
> at
> cons and such, and I didn't see any at the last couple of cons. H-man 2057
> is
> a promo no longer available, even FASA hasn't had him at their corp HQ for
> the
> last few months. This is probably why they went so high at a collector's
> auction.

oh, were they ad cards? my bad... I imagine people who are missing one card
from the set would go almost any length to get what they need... I know I
certainly did. Just curious.. where do you get those ad posters?

jc
Message no. 11
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:19:20 -0700
---Tatsulong <tiehlong@******.COM> wrote:
>
> You are correct Sorrow. FASA has done a piss poor job of distribution.

In defense of FASA, they are not the ones responsible for the sorting fiasco
of 1st Run. The printer was the one handling the sorting, and thus caused the
muck up. The DLOH's have stated numerous times that they recognize the issue
cuased by said printer and were just as upset, if not more, than we were.

They've since changed printers, as we saw with the sorting in Underworld. Corp
Wars and 2nd Run will be from this other printer, and thus will also display a
much better sorting and distribution mix.

BTW, Tatsulong, you're mailer overrides the list's address in the Reply-To
filed with your psersonal one.

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Message no. 12
From: Noah Overton <NOAH_OVERTON@*************.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:37:29 -0700
> You are correct Sorrow. FASA has done a piss poor job of
distribution.

>In defense of FASA, they are not the ones responsible for the sorting
>fiasco of 1st Run. The printer was the one handling the sorting, and
>thus caused the muck up. The DLOH's have stated numerous times that
>they recognize the issue cuased by said printer and were just as
>upset, if not more, than we were.

plus with a set of cards that has 122 rares. just because you buy 4
boxes does not mean that you will not get any doubles, or even more of
one card. think about it. even with good sorting the odds of not get 1
out of 122 are Hugh. even with 288 try's (8 boxes). so i dont think
that just because you bought 8 boxes and did not get a couple of cards
has anything to do with FASA job of distribution. It has to do with
just plan dumb luck or lack there of.

words from "DA' PUCK"


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Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Author: Non-HP-daddyjim (daddyjim@**********.COM) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2
Date: 8/27/98 10:19 AM


---Tatsulong <tiehlong@******.COM> wrote:
>
> You are correct Sorrow. FASA has done a piss poor job of distribution.

In defense of FASA, they are not the ones responsible for the sorting fiasco
of 1st Run. The printer was the one handling the sorting, and thus caused the
muck up. The DLOH's have stated numerous times that they recognize the issue
cuased by said printer and were just as upset, if not more, than we were.

They've since changed printers, as we saw with the sorting in Underworld. Corp
Wars and 2nd Run will be from this other printer, and thus will also display a
much better sorting and distribution mix.

BTW, Tatsulong, you're mailer overrides the list's address in the Reply-To
filed with your psersonal one.

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Message no. 13
From: Apone <mpcheval@********.FR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:48:10 +0200
Bolton Sara wrote:

<SNIP>

> Last, well you could buy a box of booster and don't have any of the cards
> you are looking for, and as some of them are very hard to find on trade
> (skwaaaaark!,.....) so it is somewhat normal people who are looking for them
> since a long time pay a high price.(I just hope this will not give people a
> false idea of card's value.)

As long as Auctions will keep going instead of people listing the cards with set up
prices, I guess that the "Magic Syndrom" may be avoided. For instance on a
previous
auction I got Skwaaaark for 7$. In the auction which bring this discussion it
reaches 15$.
But the important point, is that it can start at 1$. It's not a "pay 15$ or die"
thing. The final price will depend of the auction's length, of people's will, their
resources at that moment and such other things...
That leaves us the choice.

so long
Apone


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Message no. 14
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:12:52 -0700
---Joshua Cho <YuHyunCho@***.COM> wrote:
>
> oh, were they ad cards? my bad... I imagine people who are missing one card
> from the set would go almost any length to get what they need... I know I
> certainly did. Just curious.. where do you get those ad posters?

I've really only seen the ad cards as handouts at Cons and such.

Last year at GC, they had all three ad cards all over the place. At GC'98 I
only saw the Doc Apoc ad card and a small number of the Skillosft Gunnery. It
seems the Dracoform ad card has become a rarity.

I've also gotten a few of the ad cards stuffed in with mails from FASA (such
as playtesting stuff). I don't know of a way to get ahold of them outside of
FASA channels though, which is why they've become trade fodder.

Same goes for the slugs.

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Message no. 15
From: Tatsulong <tiehlong@******.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:57:39 -0500
sorry about that. My ISP is working on it. Suppose to have it corrected by now.

Loki wrote:

> ---Tatsulong <tiehlong@******.COM> wrote:
> >
> > You are correct Sorrow. FASA has done a piss poor job of distribution.
>
> In defense of FASA, they are not the ones responsible for the sorting fiasco
> of 1st Run. The printer was the one handling the sorting, and thus caused the
> muck up. The DLOH's have stated numerous times that they recognize the issue
> cuased by said printer and were just as upset, if not more, than we were.
>
> They've since changed printers, as we saw with the sorting in Underworld. Corp
> Wars and 2nd Run will be from this other printer, and thus will also display a
> much better sorting and distribution mix.
>
> BTW, Tatsulong, you're mailer overrides the list's address in the Reply-To
> filed with your psersonal one.
>
> -== Loki ==-
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Message no. 16
From: Tatsulong <tiehlong@******.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:01:22 -0500
Loki, I just checked my setup under preference. It has my name as tatsulong and my
e-mail as tiehlong@******.com, as far as I know this is the correct preference
setting. How is my mailer overriding the other?

Loki wrote:

> ---Tatsulong <tiehlong@******.COM> wrote:
> >
> > You are correct Sorrow. FASA has done a piss poor job of distribution.
>
> In defense of FASA, they are not the ones responsible for the sorting fiasco
> of 1st Run. The printer was the one handling the sorting, and thus caused the
> muck up. The DLOH's have stated numerous times that they recognize the issue
> cuased by said printer and were just as upset, if not more, than we were.
>
> They've since changed printers, as we saw with the sorting in Underworld. Corp
> Wars and 2nd Run will be from this other printer, and thus will also display a
> much better sorting and distribution mix.
>
> BTW, Tatsulong, you're mailer overrides the list's address in the Reply-To
> filed with your psersonal one.
>
> -== Loki ==-
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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> SRCard FAQ: www.primenet.com/~gamemstr/srstuff/tcgfaq1.htm
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Message no. 17
From: "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:09:07 -0400
From: Bolton Sara <Sara.bolton@****.BE>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth

> second, we are still far away of the price of certain M:TG cards (nearly
> 300$ for a piece of paper with "Black Lotus" writen on it, that's
> outrageous!)

Of course it is. But there are good reasons for it. First, there are
only like 16,000 of them that have ever been in print. There are
quite a few more people who play the game. Second, that is an
extremely powerfull card in the game, and especially now with the
big money prizes being offered in tournaments, it is a worthwhile
investment for some people.


--Droopy
Message no. 18
From: Sorrow <sorrow@*******.ORG>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:21:41 -0500
> second, we are still far away of the price of certain M:TG cards (nearly
> 300$ for a piece of paper with "Black Lotus" writen on it, that's
> outrageous!)

/me kicks himself really friggin hard.

I gave away a bunch of M:tG cards that were dumped in my lap and
there was at least 1 (maybe 2) of the Black Lotus.

*sigh*

Sorrow
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I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am
anymore |--------------------------------
I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...?
anymore | you never seen anyone try to
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Message no. 19
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:37:09 +1000
>You are correct Sorrow. FASA has done a piss poor job of distribution. I
>have purchased 8 boxes, note that is 8 boxes at 90.00 dollars a box plus
>tax. Thats 720.00 dollars and guess what, no fairlight excaliber, no humanis

I can understand why you'd be rather annoyed after having spend that much
money (I only bought one box plus a heap of boosters, and traded on the net
to get what else I needed) but it's only fair to put the blame where it's
due - on the card printers. FASA had nothing to do with which cards went
into which packets, and which packets went into which boxes - that was the
printers' job. FASA has acknowledged that the printers did a very poor job
at card sorting, and have changed printers for future releases, to avoid
the same problem.

Doesn't necessarily make you feel much better when you've spent $700+ on
the cards, though... :)

Lady Jestyr

- Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr
Message no. 20
From: "a . a" <alphirius@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:23:24 EDT
>>>but it's only fair to put the blame where it's due - on the card
printers. FASA had nothing to do with which cards went into which
packets, and which packets went into which boxes - that was the printers'
job. FASA has acknowledged that the printers did a very poor job at card
sorting, and have changed printers for future releases, to avoid the same
problem.<<<

Okay folks..... I was just curious if anyone else had noticed this.....
Probably not, I'm just suffering from a severe case of ocd so of course
I'd take note.....

A few months back I bought a stater deck and 3 booster packs... I
opened the booster packs and Whoa..... Moonshadow in the first,
Kamakize Run in the Second, and Ice Queen in the third..... I opened up
the stater deck..... and Moonshadow, Kamikaze run, and Ice queen..... I
was Pissed..... Okay, it's nice to get twin Ice queens..... but the
same cards in the startes as the boosters..... come on..... But then I
got to thinking..... I looked at how the cards were sorted..... all the
cards..... I'm sure we've all noticed that you seem to get the same runs
of cards in booster packs..... So I did track it..... Wrote down
which cards came in relation to each other..... and frighteningly
enough..... it happens more than not..... but all the cards seem to
be sorted the same.... Now granted, this isn't the absolute rule.....
but it works out..... and judging from the pattern, if you have a choice
of boxes to get cards from..... you can do pretty well at getting the
cards you need..... from going off fromt hat point on your list.....
of course, if the boxe has been shuffled after being opened your
screwed..... but if not.....

I was able to pinpoint a few cards I needed using this method..... Of
course..... I still don't have the entire sorting order..... but I have
a good portion of it.....


Okay, enough ranting for now..... nap time..... bye.

alphirius

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Message no. 21
From: Tatsulong <tiehlong@******.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cards Worth
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:31:26 -0500
Lets put it this way. Not only did I have to trade to get a few more cards to get
one set up to par. I also spent another 100.00 dollars and now am in the bidding
contest to complete the rest of the set, add another 200+ dollars. And by the way
to the individual who said the boxes do not cost that much. The retail value of
the starter packs cost 89.90 x 8 boxes plus I completed the Underworld set in 1
box tack on another 107.54 plus I made bids in the first auction and spent
another 100.00 and now am in the current auction to win a few more cards to be
able to compete without having to use one set, add on another 200.00 and
throughout this entire gathering I have not gotten one single Guardian Draco
Form. But if there is anyone out there whos willing to trade or sell, talk to me.
I need 3 Guardian Draco Forms. One to complete my set, 2 to play in competition.

Lady Jestyr wrote:

> >You are correct Sorrow. FASA has done a piss poor job of distribution. I
> >have purchased 8 boxes, note that is 8 boxes at 90.00 dollars a box plus
> >tax. Thats 720.00 dollars and guess what, no fairlight excaliber, no humanis
>
> I can understand why you'd be rather annoyed after having spend that much
> money (I only bought one box plus a heap of boosters, and traded on the net
> to get what else I needed) but it's only fair to put the blame where it's
> due - on the card printers. FASA had nothing to do with which cards went
> into which packets, and which packets went into which boxes - that was the
> printers' job. FASA has acknowledged that the printers did a very poor job
> at card sorting, and have changed printers for future releases, to avoid
> the same problem.
>
> Doesn't necessarily make you feel much better when you've spent $700+ on
> the cards, though... :)
>
> Lady Jestyr
>
> - Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
> jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr

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