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Message no. 1
From: Andy Scheffler <ascheffl@*******.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:18:46 -0700
I know I speak for most people on this list when I say I don't give a hoot
about people trading on this list. I have no intention of trading, and if
I needed to, I would go to newsgroups or such.

So why don't we go about creating a separate list for trades? That way,
it could be filtered out by people who want to have it, but not have them
get in the way, or just have people not subscribe to it if they don't want
trades at all (like me).

-Andy

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Message no. 2
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:45:03 -0700
Andy Scheffler wrote:

> So why don't we go about creating a separate list for trades? That way,
> it could be filtered out by people who want to have it, but not have them
> get in the way, or just have people not subscribe to it if they don't want
> trades at all (like me).

Considering the volume of trade posts we get, I second the motion. It
should be easy enough to establish. We just have to sucker Loki into
being boss of that list as well :)


- Matt

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Message no. 3
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:29:53 -0700
At 03:18 PM 5/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I know I speak for most people on this list when I say I don't give a hoot
>about people trading on this list. I have no intention of trading, and if
>I needed to, I would go to newsgroups or such.
>
>So why don't we go about creating a separate list for trades? That way,
>it could be filtered out by people who want to have it, but not have them
>get in the way, or just have people not subscribe to it if they don't want
>trades at all (like me).

I personally like the format of the list, and I don't think it needs to be
changed. IIRC, one of the purposes of the list, according to the list FAQ,
is to facilitate trading.

David
Message no. 4
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:44:48 -0700
---Andy Scheffler <ascheffl@*******.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
>
> I know I speak for most people on this list when I say I don't give a hoot
> about people trading on this list. I have no intention of trading, and if
> I needed to, I would go to newsgroups or such.
>
> So why don't we go about creating a separate list for trades? That way,
> it could be filtered out by people who want to have it, but not have them
> get in the way, or just have people not subscribe to it if they don't want
> trades at all (like me).

Well, SRCard was started 8/97 (by yours truly) as a forum for game discussion
and an arena for traders to meet. Both parts are equal. I encourage trading,
as SRTCG is afterall a (T)rading (C)ard (G)ame. I don't see myself dropping
this part of SRCard (couldn't complete my set without it. ;o)

However, I agree that beyond the posting of a Have/Want list, SRCard's
involvement is done and the trading needs to go to private mail. I and the
GridSecs have stated this over and over. More severs measures are now being
taken.

SRTCG game discussion is 90% of what should be seen by a list member. Rules
clarifications, strategies, deck builds, fanatasy cards and alternate gaming
styles.

All a SRCard members should see on the list for trades is a have/want list by
other members. In this I'm really wanting to see particular formats:

1. Make it _clear_ in the subject line this is a trade post and who you are.
Something like "[Trade] Loki's Haves & Wants." This way someone like Andy,
that doesn't care about trading can click the delete button and get on with
life. Including your name in the subject line is just proper netiquette, I
store five to ten active trade mails at a time, it really helps when they're
not all subjected as "Trade."

2. List 1st Run, Undwerworld and future expansions seperately in the post.
Some members are still trying to complete just one set while others prefer to
only trade kind-for-kind.

3. DO NOT REPLY TO A HAVE/WANT LIST PUBLICY. It's been out of hand recently.
This is in the FAQ, people. I know we can all read, or you woudn't be on an
emailing list. I've type warning messages 'til I'm blue in the face. Andy is
correct here in saying there are list members who don't even care about
trading. Add to that that NO ONE cares about X's personal trading with Y. I'm
dropping to one warning and then you're unsubbed, until it comes back under
control.

I'm not going to pull trading from SRCard. I don't have the time to admin to
seperate mailing lists, and I don't see the point. Trading is just as much
part of SRTCG as hashing out the rules (if not more). If everyone follows by
the few _simple_ guidelines on trading posts, then someone like Andy should
really only see the few [TRADE] posts come by now and then and can delete them
at will rather than wading through a salvo of misposted trade responses.

Welcome to the 6th World. Play nice.

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Message no. 5
From: Norman McLeod <mcleodn@***********.NET>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:42:15 -0400
>1. Make it _clear_ in the subject line this is a trade post and who you
are.
>Something like "[Trade] Loki's Haves & Wants." This way someone like
Andy,
>that doesn't care about trading can click the delete button and get on with
>life. Including your name in the subject line is just proper netiquette, I
>store five to ten active trade mails at a time, it really helps when
they're
>not all subjected as "Trade."

Is there a way we can keyword trade lists so that computers could group them
by subject? that way someone who isn't at all interested in trading can just
delete the group of messages each with the "Trades" keyword.
Message no. 6
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:51:50 -0600
At 23:42 18/05/98 -0400, you wrote:

>Is there a way we can keyword trade lists so that computers could group them
>by subject? that way someone who isn't at all interested in trading can just
>delete the group of messages each with the "Trades" keyword.

Most decent email programs can filter email by subject, originating
address, etc. For example, I have Eudora set up to send messages from all
the mailing lists I'm subscribed to to different mailboxes, messages from
certain people marked as high priority, messages with certain words in the
topic filtered to other mailboxes or to the trash, etc.

Pegasus can do this too, AFAIK.

-Adam J
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Message no. 7
From: JD <germany@*****************.COM>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:35:48 -0600
>I know I speak for most people on this list when I say I don't give a
hoot
>about people trading on this list. I have no intention of trading, and
if
>I needed to, I would go to newsgroups or such.
>
>So why don't we go about creating a separate list for trades? That
way,
>it could be filtered out by people who want to have it, but not have
them
>get in the way, or just have people not subscribe to it if they don't
want
>trades at all (like me).
>
> -Andy


Just set your e-mail filtering to delete the subjects with [trade] or
similar words. Then you don't have to be bothered by the rest of us.

Jon Doud
germany@*****************.com
Message no. 8
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:13:43 -0700
--Norman McLeod <mcleodn@***********.NET> wrote:
>
> >1. Make it _clear_ in the subject line this is a trade post and who you
> are.
> >Something like "[Trade] Loki's Haves & Wants." This way someone
like Andy,
> >that doesn't care about trading can click the delete button and get on with
> >life. Including your name in the subject line is just proper netiquette, I
> >store five to ten active trade mails at a time, it really helps when
> they're
> >not all subjected as "Trade."
>
> Is there a way we can keyword trade lists so that computers could group them
> by subject? that way someone who isn't at all interested in trading can just
> delete the group of messages each with the "Trades" keyword.

That's pretty much what I was trying to get across.

Dvixen gone for the moment, so I can't actually get something in the FAQ.
However, if we can get list members as a whole to mark trade lists with
[TRADE] in the subject line, then people who aren't wanting to see them can
just filter then to the trash as I do with junk mail from known addresses.

GridSecs and Admin, consider the [TRADE] flag a list policy and help me start
getting it into the works. I know that with the trouble we have getting people
to avoid personal trade replies on SRCard this may be an impossible task, but
we can at least give it a try.

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Message no. 9
From: {Chad Clawson} <slfs2@**.USU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:29:09 -0700
On Mon, 18 May 1998, Andy Scheffler wrote:

> I know I speak for most people on this list when I say I don't give a hoot
> about people trading on this list. I have no intention of trading, and if
> I needed to, I would go to newsgroups or such.
>
> So why don't we go about creating a separate list for trades? That way,
> it could be filtered out by people who want to have it, but not have them
> get in the way, or just have people not subscribe to it if they don't want
> trades at all (like me).
>
> -Andy
>
> +-------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
> | Hamster-powered since 1992! | ascheffl@*******.berkeley.edu |
> |http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ascheffl \ Andy Scheffler |
> +---------------------------------------------+-----------------------------+
>

Admittedly there have been a lot of trades that should have been private
that got posted to the list accidentally or at least unintentionally. I
have to disagree that trade lists should be eliminated. I don't think
that you speak for most people, because I have personally traded or am in
the process of trading with well over 50% of the people who are constantly
making remarks. Not everyone has the money to go out and buy all of the
cards they want or need, either because it's not the ruling passion in
their life, or they are going to school or whatever. To eliminate trades
lists is almost like making this an elitist group where only a select few
can talk and discuss. And really, how long does it take to read in the
subject line that the message involves a trade and skip right past it.
Anyway, that's my $1.72 about that.
Chad
Message no. 10
From: hansen <hansen@********.COM.SG>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 07:37:25 +0800
>On Mon, 18 May 1998, Andy Scheffler wrote:
>
>> I know I speak for most people on this list when I say I don't give a
hoot
>> about people trading on this list. I have no intention of trading, and
if
>> I needed to, I would go to newsgroups or such.
>>
>> So why don't we go about creating a separate list for trades? That way,
>> it could be filtered out by people who want to have it, but not have them
>> get in the way, or just have people not subscribe to it if they don't
want
>> trades at all (like me).
>>
>> -Andy
>
>Admittedly there have been a lot of trades that should have been private
>that got posted to the list accidentally or at least unintentionally. I
>have to disagree that trade lists should be eliminated. I don't think
>that you speak for most people, because I have personally traded or am in
>the process of trading with well over 50% of the people who are constantly
>making remarks. Not everyone has the money to go out and buy all of the
>cards they want or need, either because it's not the ruling passion in
>their life, or they are going to school or whatever. To eliminate trades
>lists is almost like making this an elitist group where only a select few
>can talk and discuss. And really, how long does it take to read in the
>subject line that the message involves a trade and skip right past it.
>Anyway, that's my $1.72 about that.
>Chad


I've been reading all this discussion on taking trading out of the list and
I seriously disagree. When I joined this list the intention was to be able
to do trading. I'm happy to say that I've got almost all the cards I've
wanted. Yes true, there have been alot of replies that were supposed to go
private but came on to the list. (I've been guilty of that transgrssion
before). It's almost always a mistake. Anyway if you really arn't interested
in trades, how much effort does it take to push the delete button?
Message no. 11
From: NosaJKreaF <NosaJKreaF@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:19:46 EDT
In a message dated 5/18/98 5:27:10 PM EST, ascheffl@*******.BERKELEY.EDU
writes:

<< I know I speak for most people on this list when I say I don't give a hoot
about people trading on this list. I have no intention of trading, and if
I needed to, I would go to newsgroups or such.

So why don't we go about creating a separate list for trades? That way,
it could be filtered out by people who want to have it, but not have them
get in the way, or just have people not subscribe to it if they don't want
trades at all (like me).

-Andy >>

Please take this as constructive criticism,

But ya know that little subject line, the one that tells you what the post is
about, well if you see anything that resembles a trade thread then ingnore or
delete before you start reading the other info, same as you probably do for
the "looking for players in..." post.

I agree with david that this site does not need to be reformatted, just that
people need to take more care when they reply to said trade post.

Jason :)
Message no. 12
From: Norman McLeod <mcleodn@***********.NET>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 16:45:04 -0400
><< I know I speak for most people on this list when I say I don't give a
hoot
> about people trading on this list. I have no intention of trading, and if
> I needed to, I would go to newsgroups or such.
>
> So why don't we go about creating a separate list for trades? That way,
> it could be filtered out by people who want to have it, but not have them
> get in the way, or just have people not subscribe to it if they don't want
> trades at all (like me).
>
> -Andy >>
>
>Please take this as constructive criticism,
>
>But ya know that little subject line, the one that tells you what the post
is
>about, well if you see anything that resembles a trade thread then ingnore
or
>delete before you start reading the other info, same as you probably do for
>the "looking for players in..." post.
>
>I agree with david that this site does not need to be reformatted, just
that
>people need to take more care when they reply to said trade post.


I agree, I just think that they should also be more careful about the
subject lines of their posts. As someone who DOES enjoy trading on the list,
I would also like to see the dissappearence of subject lines like: Crazy
little thing called HUH??? They should at least say that they are trade
lists, and perhaps even have a (TRADE) keyword at the beginning.

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