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Message no. 1
From: Pablo Castellanos <lshot@**********.COM>
Subject: Question on Shirkin (or however you spell it)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:07:07 -0400
Can shirkin be used by my guy against another runner on a run

ex. Play1 and play2 are in a game. Play1 has a runner with a shirkin on him
and play2 goes on a run. after several challenges play2's runners are fairly
beat up and still have another challenge. play2's main brute force runner
has only 1 point of health left can Play1 use his shirkin to off that runner
or can it only be used if Play 1 was present at the same place.

I don't know if that made sense but me and my friend disagree on how this
would work. I say you can pop anyone anywhere...is there an official ruling?

Thanks in advance


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From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
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Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 12:32 PM
Subject: Media Chick (was Re: eMailaing FASA)


>---Joshua Cho <YuHyunCho@***.COM> wrote:
>>
>> I've always played it where you can use as many MC as you got in play...
>> anyway, how are they going to limit it in 2nd run?
>
>I already said, the card text will be changed to read that MC may only be
used
>once of three times in a turn, depending on what Jim and Skuzzy finally
decide.
>
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Message no. 2
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Question on Shirkin (or however you spell it)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:21:43 PDT
Hoi,

>Can shirkin be used by my guy against another runner on a run
>
>ex. Play1 and play2 are in a game. Play1 has a runner with a shirkin
>on him and play2 goes on a run. after several challenges play2's
>runners are fairly beat up and still have another challenge. play2's
>main brute force runner has only 1 point of health left can Play1 use
>his shirkin to off that runner or can it only be used if Play 1 was
>present at the same place.
>
>I don't know if that made sense but me and my friend disagree on how
>this would work. I say you can pop anyone anywhere...is there an
>official ruling?
>
>Thanks in advance

We play this as an anytime any where sort of thing as well. There are
some limits of when it can't happen though. It cannot happen during
combat... but could happen before or after. Either to add fatique or to
kill an injured runner. Since the card does not say "during your
legwork phase", this is why I feel that it is anytime anyplace. This is
also why I feel that you could turn a blackhammer (unless it
specifically states that it is a legwork program only, I can't remember)
program and try to off an oponents decker even if the decker is
assisting in a shadowrun.

*** Knife Sharpens on Stone... Man Sharpens on Man ***
*** - Tao ***

Jayden Stormwalker
Donald Arganbright


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Message no. 3
From: Noah Overton <NOAH_OVERTON@*************.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: Re: Question on Shirkin (or however you spell it)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:03:53 -0700
Hoi,

>Can shirkin be used by my guy against another runner on a run >
>ex. Play1 and play2 are in a game. Play1 has a runner with a shirkin >on him
and play2 goes on a run. after several challenges play2's >runners are fairly
beat up and still have another challenge. play2's >main brute force runner has
only 1 point of health left can Play1 use >his shirkin to off that runner or can
it only be used if Play 1 was >present at the same place.
>
>I don't know if that made sense but me and my friend disagree on how >this
would work. I say you can pop anyone anywhere...is there an >official ruling?
>
>Thanks in advance

>>>>We play this as an anytime any where sort of thing as well. There are
some
limits of when it can't happen though. It cannot happen during
combat... but could happen before or after. Either to add fatique or
to kill an injured runner. Since the card does not say "during your
legwork phase", this is why I feel that it is anytime anyplace. This is
also why I feel that you could turn a blackhammer (unless it
specifically states that it is a legwork program only, I can't remember)
program and try to off an oponents decker even if the decker is
assisting in a shadowrun.>>>>>


ok i got problems with both of these. how do you use gear on another
presons turn. besides you have to turn a runner to use the Shirkin. as
far as the program goes. i remenber hearing once that you could use
programs during another players turn. but I cant find it in the rule
book. and i dont agree with it anyway.


words from the puck

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Subject: Re: Question on Shirkin (or however you spell it)
Author: Non-HP-jayden63 (jayden63@*******.COM) at HP-PaloAlto,shargw2
Date: 8/21/98 10:21 AM


Hoi,

>Can shirkin be used by my guy against another runner on a run >
>ex. Play1 and play2 are in a game. Play1 has a runner with a shirkin
>on him and play2 goes on a run. after several challenges play2's
>runners are fairly beat up and still have another challenge. play2's
>main brute force runner has only 1 point of health left can Play1 use
>his shirkin to off that runner or can it only be used if Play 1 was
>present at the same place.
>
>I don't know if that made sense but me and my friend disagree on how
>this would work. I say you can pop anyone anywhere...is there an
>official ruling?
>
>Thanks in advance

We play this as an anytime any where sort of thing as well. There are
some limits of when it can't happen though. It cannot happen during
combat... but could happen before or after. Either to add fatique or to
kill an injured runner. Since the card does not say "during your
legwork phase", this is why I feel that it is anytime anyplace. This is
also why I feel that you could turn a blackhammer (unless it
specifically states that it is a legwork program only, I can't remember)
program and try to off an oponents decker even if the decker is
assisting in a shadowrun.

*** Knife Sharpens on Stone... Man Sharpens on Man ***
*** - Tao ***

Jayden Stormwalker
Donald Arganbright


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Message no. 4
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Question on Shirkin (or however you spell it)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 03:56:18 -0700
Pablo Castellanos wrote:

> Can shirkin be used by my guy against another runner on a run

Shuriken.

> ex. Play1 and play2 are in a game. Play1 has a runner with a shirkin on him
> and play2 goes on a run. after several challenges play2's runners are fairly
> beat up and still have another challenge. play2's main brute force runner
> has only 1 point of health left can Play1 use his shirkin to off that runner
> or can it only be used if Play 1 was present at the same place.

Shuriken can be used whenever and wherever (so long as its user isn't
turned). It couldn't be used by, say, a member of a shadowrunning team,
or a Decker who just used Recon. But it can be used during your own
turn or an opponent's, yes. (Waiting until just before or just after a
Runner faces a HUGE Challenge is its ideal usage!)

In general, any Gear or ability can be played at any time, unless
specifically limited by its own text.

Shuriken work really cool with the Scatterbrains Gang HQ, or, for a real
killer combo, Ares Macrotechnology -- they're fairly cheap, and suddenly
they provide a bonus as well as having a nasty main effect. (Same goes
for Maglock Passkeys.)


- Matt

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Message no. 5
From: "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Question on Shirkin (or however you spell it)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:45:26 -0400
From: Noah Overton <NOAH_OVERTON@*************.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: Re: Question on Shirkin (or however you spell it)

> ok i got problems with both of these. how do you use gear on another
> presons turn. besides you have to turn a runner to use the Shirkin. as far
> as the program goes. i remenber hearing once that you could use programs
> during another players turn. but I cant find it in the rule book. and i
> dont agree with it anyway.

You can use gear and special abilities anytime unless the card
says otherwise. No question as to how, you just can. If you want
a real world example, I could shoot you while you are on your way
to the Urban Brawl game.


--Droopy

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