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Message no. 1
From: "Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)" <dirkkenn@***.EDU>
Subject: question on wanted
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:02:11 -0800
Quick question for everyone

where does "wanted" take place. If I play "wanted" on one of my
opponents untapped runners, is that runner considered to be in the
safehouse?

I ask for 2 reasons.

1) guard could be used to protect the "wanted" runner
2) Adam Bomb could be sent against the "wanted" runner. In this case, it
MAY be possible that Adam Bomb blows up doing 5 points of dammage to all
runners in opponent's safehouse (evil grin)

All imput is appreciated

Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)
Message no. 2
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: question on wanted
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:59:59 -0800
---"Ken Dirk (DrugDoc)" <dirkkenn@***.EDU> wrote:
>
> Quick question for everyone
>
> where does "wanted" take place. If I play "wanted" on one of my
> opponents untapped runners, is that runner considered to be in the
> safehouse?
>
> I ask for 2 reasons.
>
> 1) guard could be used to protect the "wanted" runner

This wouldn't matter whether the combat took place in the safehouse or
outside of it. I paste a snippit from a post in which Jim N. tried to
better define "present."

In Runner-on-Runner combat. All attacking and defending Runners
on both sides are present with each other.
Note: I would add to this that no other Runners are present in
this situation. Only the combatants are present. It's implied already,
but I want it to be clear.

Once in combat, the only runners "present" with each other are those
on directly opposing sides. Unless your runner with guard was able to
finesse his way directly into the Wanted combat, he is not "present"
with the Wanted runner and thus cannot guard against damage taken in
the combat.

> 2) Adam Bomb could be sent against the "wanted" runner. In this
case, it
> MAY be possible that Adam Bomb blows up doing 5 points of dammage to
all
> runners in opponent's safehouse (evil grin)

Again, once combat starts, the only runners present are those directly
involved in the combat. Think of it as the old cliche where they "take
it outside" if you want to. So the only runners that Adam Bomb will
damage if he blows are the two already involved in Wanted combat. It
may be enough to take out the opposing runner, but it won't damage any
of the others.

> All imput is appreciated

You got it.

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Message no. 3
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: question on wanted
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:55:29 -0800
> This wouldn't matter whether the combat took place in the safehouse or
> outside of it. I paste a snippit from a post in which Jim N. tried to
> better define "present."

> In Runner-on-Runner combat. All attacking and defending Runners
> on both sides are present with each other.
> Note: I would add to this that no other Runners are present in
> this situation. Only the combatants are present. It's implied already,
> but I want it to be clear.

As a quick comment, to keep attributions clear: This is a quote from a
sentence from Teos Abadia to Jim N. I don't believe I've seen anything
posted from Jim in response to it, however.

<brush of ego>
The first two sentences are mine. The remainder is Teos' comment on it
(that it deserves more absolute qualification).

The issue -- about bodyguards and Bar Fights and whether they're present
or not -- is entangled with issues about bodyguarding on shadowruns; if
you can keep five or six bodyguards at home, you can soak all the damage
from the Runners actually doing the shadowrun. I've played several
times (on several days) with Bodyguards being allowed to "assist" in a
shadowrun, in exactly the same manner as Deckers and Indirect Fire, and
it works out pretty well. You still need Runners present to
skill-sleaze Challenges, achieve Objectives and actually deal out
damage.

I do like the idea of Bodyguards accompanying their clients to brawls;
another out might be to allow a particular character a special ability
to assist in Runner-on-Runner combat as well, though that seems to have
its own flaws as well.


-Matt

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