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Message no. 1
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Rantfest 98 (was Re: [GridSec] Re: UPDATE,...}
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:17:45 -0700
At 10:49 PM 7/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Go re-read the FAQ all of you.
>
>>Auctions are not to be posted to the list.
>
>>-Dvixen - dvixen@********.com
>>SRCard GridSec/FAQ Flunky - http://coastnet.com/~dvixen/srcard.html
>>SRTCG WebRing Manager - http://coastnet.com/~dvixen/webring.html
>>**Currently under re-construction**
>
>Not directed towards you Dvixen, but stuff like this has been going on for
>a while now and apparently the 'cops' around here have been stuffing their
>faces full of donuts instead of saying and/or doing anything about it.
>Unlike the old days when it happened but rarely, and if someone did do it
>over and over, ~punishment~ was swift and to the point. Now-a-days, seems
>the list is so divided to avoiding or to replying to certain individuals
>(and yes, at this point, I am guilty myself), that I can see why the other
>180+ people allegedly subscribed don't say a word.

Directly to you, BITE ME.

(To everyone else, sorry if my annoyance to such a stupid post has spilled
over.)

In case some of you haven't noticed, the Admin and GridSecs of this (and
the other ShadowRN lists) have lives. We try our best to keep the junk that
annoys most people to a minimum.

If those other 'alledged' 180 lurkers on the list were to say something,
what do you think would happen? Can we say spamming the list? Sure you can.

Imagine how frustrating it is to have constant posts in ignorance or just
plain disregard of the FAQ policies.

You want the old days? The old days of ShadowRN are NOTHING compared to
some lists I have been on. ONE violation got you suspended from the list
for a week minimum, and more got you so you couldn't post at all for a
while. Reaction WAS swift, and there were NO exceptions. Not even for a
'Oops, forgot to check the outgoing address on this post'. You want that,
fine, but then your Admin and GridSecs, will have more on their plates than
any of us need, and I'm certain the Jackbooted thug nickname we were called
in jest would be true.

Such high handed tactics should not needed for a list with members halfway
intelligent enough to understand the working of the matrix or magic.

Got it? Good. Now shut up, and this GridSec is going on vacation again,
just after a 6 week one. Be nice to the other GridSecs and Admins before
they too go on strike and you get total anarchy. Then complain to no one
when people post somthing that annoys you.

>To those that have asked, I will send those bioware cards to you shortly.
>Work calls at the moment plus I want to clean them up some. Again, thanks
>for the renewed interest.

>This place needs another fraggin' Torgo debate at this point.....
>>>>>>Axlrose - list member's least-like individual, and still
dropping...<<<<<

I''l say. (No smiley included on PURPOSE)

-Dvixen - dvixen@********.com
SRCard GridSec/FAQ Flunky - http://coastnet.com/~dvixen/srcard.html
SRTCG WebRing Manager - http://coastnet.com/~dvixen/webring.html
**Currently under re-construction**
Message no. 2
From: ">>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<<" <axlrose@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Rantfest 98 (was Re: [GridSec] Re: UPDATE,...}
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:51:34 -0400
<Snipped some of my past post...>

>Directly to you, BITE ME.

*yawn* - you going to say anything halfway intelligent?


>(To everyone else, sorry if my annoyance to such a stupid post has spilled
over.)

What - posting a note telling others to reread the FAQ again ad nauseum
does not constitute 'a stupid post'? Are you insinuating that you are an
expert on what is a smart post versus a stupid post? Or are you just a bit
irritated that you as a Gridsec cop whatever seem to expect people to obey
as you bark orders when they don't?


>In case some of you haven't noticed, the Admin and GridSecs of this (and
the other >ShadowRN lists) have lives. We try our best to keep the junk
that annoys most people to >a minimum.

Yes, I forgot about that again - it seems only the Admins and Gridsecs have
lives while the rest of us that post 'stupid posts', auctions, and trade
replies have no lives at all, except to wait for the next message to appear.


>If those other 'alledged' 180 lurkers on the list were to say something,
what do you >think would happen? Can we say spamming the list? Sure you can.

First of all, it was the admins and/or whoever that said this place had
about 200 people subscribed to the list. I see a good 20 or so posting on
a regular to semi-regular basis. You do the math. Second, it seems you
are saying you do not want people posting around here because all we would
see is spam, 'stupid posts', auctions, and trade lists. What an assumption
on your part there.


>Imagine how frustrating it is to have constant posts in ignorance or just
plain >disregard of the FAQ policies.

Ahhh, but when I have had enough of seeing those same disregards of the FAQ
policies and said a damn word about it, how quickly people are harping on
my ass, suddenly making me the fraggin' bad guy around here. I made an
observation that just saying "read the FAQ" does squat around here AND I
originally said the whole was not intended towards you Dvixen, but suddenly
_I_ am suppose to "bite you". Too bad you were not so vengeful against
those same people with the disregards as you were believing the whole rant
I had was against you. Sounds like a guilty conscious to me there...


>You want the old days? The old days of ShadowRN are NOTHING compared to
some lists I >have been on. ONE violation got you suspended from the list
for a week minimum, and >more got you so you couldn't post at all for a
while. Reaction WAS swift, and there >were NO exceptions. Not even for a
'Oops, forgot to check the outgoing address on this >post'.

I bet posting one's opinion like I am would get one a life time banishment eh?


>You want that, fine, but then your Admin and GridSecs, will have more on
their plates >than any of us need, and I'm certain the Jackbooted thug
nickname we were called
>in jest would be true.

But when another posted a similar idea about allowing others that have more
time to regulate the list, how quickly the idea was squashed. As if anyone
would give up that power to play 'cop' or something. Maybe you should stop
and watch Loki of all people for a moment. As far as I've known, he has
always been the Admin Leader around here and as of yet never threatened
someone with his 'power'. He has posted warnings to those that have broken
the rules per se, and after repeated infractions, removed said offender for
a brief time. He was fair and just about the whole. He has even put up
with some of my past rants and raves - even aimed directly towards him.

But you Dvixen, and in part Adam J., two of the Gridsecs around here - how
quickly you go after _me_ about my opinion on a matter. It seems you are
feeling some sort of guilty conscious or something that instead of dealing
with the problem, you rather attempt to slander me, especially with
quibbles of "bite me". So if I am bound to reduce myself down to your
level at this point, fine - GROW UP!


>Such high handed tactics should not needed for a list with members halfway
intelligent >enough to understand the working of the matrix or magic.

Nor they should be, but constant repeated offenses should have been dealt
with quickly.


>Got it? Good. Now shut up,

No, you shut the hell up. I find it very offensive that you have the nerve
to tell someone you do not know, much less met, to "now shut up". Again I
originally stated the whole was not directed towards you, but you made it
so. Perhaps you should get off your high horse for once and go after those
you find to disregard the FAQ. To the best of my knowledge, I have
followed what was stated in them, along with snipping materials that are
not now needed (which seems everyone occasionally does forget to do). But
the moment I state my opinion around here about matters I find disturbing,
lo and behold how quickly certain people are busting my ass over it... that
I am ragging again.


>... and this GridSec is going on vacation again, just after a 6 week one.
Be nice to >the other GridSecs and Admins before they too go on strike and
you get total anarchy. >Then complain to no one when people post somthing
that annoys you.

You are making it sound like we should build a shrine and worship the
Gridsecs and Admins before they abandon their flock. And about complaining
to no one - hell, seems my complaint goes to the wayside around here half
the time anyway.


>>>>>>>Axlrose - list member's least-like individual, and still
dropping...<<<<<

>I''l say. (No smiley included on PURPOSE)
>-Dvixen - dvixen@********.com

Gosh - no smiley... I'm crushed.

That's sarcasm for those lacking.
>>>>>Axlrose - still the most least-liked, now waiting to be removed for
his opinions in these parts...<<<<<
Message no. 3
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Rantfest 98 (was Re: [GridSec] Re: UPDATE,...}
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:30:31 -0600
At 08:51 18/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>In case some of you haven't noticed, the Admin and GridSecs of this (and
>the other >ShadowRN lists) have lives. We try our best to keep the junk
>that annoys most people to >a minimum.
>
>Yes, I forgot about that again - it seems only the Admins and Gridsecs have
>lives while the rest of us that post 'stupid posts', auctions, and trade
>replies have no lives at all, except to wait for the next message to appear.

Admins: Read/Reply & Administrate
Users: Read/Reply

See the slight difference?

>But you Dvixen, and in part Adam J., two of the Gridsecs around here - how
>quickly you go after _me_ about my opinion on a matter. It seems you are
>feeling some sort of guilty conscious or something that instead of dealing
>with the problem, you rather attempt to slander me, especially with
>quibbles of "bite me". So if I am bound to reduce myself down to your
>level at this point, fine - GROW UP!

*yawn* I've been a fulltime Admin over on ShadowRN for over two years now,
and I've been working on this list since the day it opened (Not officially
for all of that time). The fact that you are perhaps the 3rd person out of
over 500 to have a problem with my style of administration speaks volumes.

Find someplace where I attempted to slander you, please?

>>Such high handed tactics should not needed for a list with members halfway
>intelligent >enough to understand the working of the matrix or magic.
>
>Nor they should be, but constant repeated offenses should have been dealt
>with quickly.

And that's what the 1 warning policy is for. So why aren't you happy with
this?

>not now needed (which seems everyone occasionally does forget to do). But
>the moment I state my opinion around here about matters I find disturbing,
>lo and behold how quickly certain people are busting my ass over it... that
>I am ragging again.

The simple fact is you are stating your opinions about something that has
already been done (The stepping up the posting guidelines enforcement
level, something I was talking about doing several days before your posts
cropped up), and a non-issue (The "People don't respond to some peoples
posts" bit, which I *still* fail to see as a problem).

>You are making it sound like we should build a shrine and worship the
>Gridsecs and Admins before they abandon their flock. And about complaining
>to no one - hell, seems my complaint goes to the wayside around here half
>the time anyway.

See above!

-Adam
-
< http://www.interware.it/users/adamj / ICQ# 2350330 / fro@***.ab.ca >
< ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader / TSA Co-Admin / TSS Productions >
< FreeRPG & Shadowrun Webring Admin / The Shadowrun Supplemental >
< The Entity responsible for the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball >
Message no. 4
From: Crazy Achmed <yleecoyote@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Rantfest 98 (was Re: [GridSec] Re: UPDATE,...}
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:38:00 -0700
O.K., I got an idea!!!! Why dont we round up everybody on the list (I'll pay
for airfare). We can take everybody to this big mudpit near my place, & we
can all duke it out. Now granted I have alterior motives for this.
1) I was going to sell tickts to the various bouts.
2) I wanted to see Dvixen wrestling in mud (Woof, got a whit T-shirt "D"?)
3) I am gonna sell beer & tequila (After about 2 hours of drinking, thats
when the real brawl starts)
So when I yeel "Ding" & start looking around for drunk women with loose
morals everybody come out swinging.

Come on guys cant we all get along??
So if you dont all stop it I am gonna turn this car around right now &
nobody gets any ice cream!!! Do you hear me??? I said Do you hear me???
Now I intentionally didnt snip cause, well I am a sensitive guy & I want
everybody to like me. So I didnt put anybody elses comment on her OK. Please
tell me you love me.....Ppppppleasssse!!!!


Gil
"Crazy Achmed"
Message no. 5
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Rantfest 98 (was Re: [GridSec] Re: UPDATE,...}
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:11:22 +0200
[snip]
> Now I intentionally didnt snip cause, well I am a sensitive guy & I want
> everybody to like me. So I didnt put anybody elses comment on her OK. Please
> tell me you love me.....Ppppppleasssse!!!!
>
LOL ROTF
Yes, we love You. We´re just glad we´re so far away that we don´t have
to prove it... ;o)---Felix
Message no. 6
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Rantfest 98 (was Re: [GridSec] Re: UPDATE,...}
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:01:53 -0700
At 08:38 AM 7/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>O.K., I got an idea!!!! Why dont we round up everybody on the list (I'll pay
>for airfare). We can take everybody to this big mudpit near my place, & we
>can all duke it out. Now granted I have alterior motives for this.
>1) I was going to sell tickts to the various bouts.
>2) I wanted to see Dvixen wrestling in mud (Woof, got a whit T-shirt "D"?)

One word:

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>3) I am gonna sell beer & tequila (After about 2 hours of drinking, thats
>when the real brawl starts)
>So when I yeel "Ding" & start looking around for drunk women with loose
>morals everybody come out swinging.
>
>Come on guys cant we all get along??
>So if you dont all stop it I am gonna turn this car around right now &
>nobody gets any ice cream!!! Do you hear me??? I said Do you hear me???
>Now I intentionally didnt snip cause, well I am a sensitive guy & I want
>everybody to like me. So I didnt put anybody elses comment on her OK. Please
>tell me you love me.....Ppppppleasssse!!!!
>
>Gil
>"Crazy Achmed"

-Dvixen - dvixen@********.com
Herkimer's Lair - http://coastnet.com/~dvixen
Message no. 7
From: Gunnar Lundquist <OneWay919@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Rantfest 98 (was Re: [GridSec] Re: UPDATE,...}
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:17:15 EDT
Hey Gil you get me a ticket for this and you move directly to the top of my
favorite people list...Waaaahooooooooo let's get this party rollin

OneWay

In a message dated 98-07-18 16:48:16 EDT, you write:

<< O.K., I got an idea!!!! Why dont we round up everybody on the list (I'll
pay
>for airfare). We can take everybody to this big mudpit near my place, & we
>can all duke it out. Now granted I have alterior motives for this.
>1) I was going to sell tickts to the various bouts.
>2) I wanted to see Dvixen wrestling in mud (Woof, got a whit T-shirt "D"?)

One word:

##### # # # # ## #####
# # # # # # # # #
# ###### # # # # # #
# # # # ## # ###### #####
# # # ## ## # # #
# # # # # # # #

(Fixed font necessary.)

>3) I am gonna sell beer & tequila (After about 2 hours of drinking, thats
>when the real brawl starts)
>So when I yeel "Ding" & start looking around for drunk women with loose
>morals everybody come out swinging. >>
Message no. 8
From: Noah Overton <Puckstpr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Rantfest 98 (was Re: [GridSec] Re: UPDATE,...}
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:13:38 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-19 04:19:01 EDT, you write:

> Hey Gil you get me a ticket for this and you move directly to the top of my
> favorite people list...Waaaahooooooooo let's get this party rollin
>
> OneWay
>

you really dont want to see him in a wet T-shirt.... really


> In a message dated 98-07-18 16:48:16 EDT, you write:
>
> << O.K., I got an idea!!!! Why dont we round up everybody on the list (I'll
> pay
> >for airfare). We can take everybody to this big mudpit near my place, &
we
> >can all duke it out. Now granted I have alterior motives for this.
> >1) I was going to sell tickts to the various bouts.
> >2) I wanted to see Dvixen wrestling in mud (Woof, got a whit T-shirt
"D"?)
>

puckstpr

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