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Message no. 1
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: RR and LSU ?'s
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:14:14 -0700
Heya!

A couple of questions came up in the games I played with Caric
yesterday, so I thought I'd toss them out. I'm CC:ing this to SRCard
for possible discussion and comment as well.

Q. When it comes to Runners on Retainer, who is the attacker and
defender (shadowrunning player and challenge owner)? It makes a
difference as the attacker gets to select pairing up of Runners.

Q. When Lone Star Undercover is played, is chosen Runner's threat
rating that is added to the Challenge the printed threat rating on the
card or his current threat rating adjust by gear and wounds?

Q. If an opponent fails to sleaze a personnel or Lone Star challenge
that doesn't have a threat rating to add to (LS Beat Cops, Scatter
Brain Raid, ...) is it still legal to play LS Undercover to at least
trash a Runner? (I figure yes, but figured it best to confirm.)

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Message no. 2
From: Dynamite <sl1yv@**.USU.EDU>
Subject: Re: RR and LSU ?'s
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:44:56 -0600
Loki wrote:

> Heya!
>
> A couple of questions came up in the games I played with Caric
> yesterday, so I thought I'd toss them out. I'm CC:ing this to SRCard
> for possible discussion and comment as well.
>
> Q. When it comes to Runners on Retainer, who is the attacker and
> defender (shadowrunning player and challenge owner)? It makes a
> difference as the attacker gets to select pairing up of Runners.


The way I've always played is because this is an ability of the card, the
owner of the challenge matches up his runners to the shadowrunning players
runners, just as if you were intercepting an undefeded objective. Why would
you want to substitute your runners for the threat rating if the
shadowrunning player had the choice? If this was the case then it would be
as if the shadowrunner intercepted you instead of you intercepting him.


>
>
> Q. When Lone Star Undercover is played, is chosen Runner's threat
> rating that is added to the Challenge the printed threat rating on the
> card or his current threat rating adjust by gear and wounds?



I love this card. If you want to knock someone out of the game, this
card can do it if you play it at the right time. Anyway we've played that
it is the current threat rating of the runner, adjusted for wounds and
cyberware. As for optional threat boosters such as spells, guns, and melee
weapons that's a good question. I would say that these would count because
the runner would want to use his/her strongest threat rating in order to
survive, if you think about it in a real life setting and not the fact that
the runner is trashed after the stinger.

>
>
> Q. If an opponent fails to sleaze a personnel or Lone Star challenge
> that doesn't have a threat rating to add to (LS Beat Cops, Scatter
> Brain Raid, ...) is it still legal to play LS Undercover to at least
> trash a Runner? (I figure yes, but figured it best to confirm.)
>

Yeah I would think say so.

I hope this helps.

Dynamite
Message no. 3
From: Mamoulian <shine@************.NET>
Subject: Re: RR and LSU ?'s
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:21:20 -0600
At 12:14 PM 4/19/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Heya!
>
>A couple of questions came up in the games I played with Caric
>yesterday, so I thought I'd toss them out. I'm CC:ing this to SRCard
>for possible discussion and comment as well.
>
>Q. When it comes to Runners on Retainer, who is the attacker and
>defender (shadowrunning player and challenge owner)? It makes a
>difference as the attacker gets to select pairing up of Runners.

We went ahead and played that the owner of the challenge is the attacker
(since the challenge "attacks" the shadowrunning team.

Additionally, we played that the card stayed if any of the runners on
retainer team wasn't killed.

Q. When Lone Star Undercover is played, is chosen Runner's threat
>rating that is added to the Challenge the printed threat rating on the
>card or his current threat rating adjust by gear and wounds?

I believe it's the full threat rating.

>Q. If an opponent fails to sleaze a personnel or Lone Star challenge
>that doesn't have a threat rating to add to (LS Beat Cops, Scatter
>Brain Raid, ...) is it still legal to play LS Undercover to at least
>trash a Runner? (I figure yes, but figured it best to confirm.)

Oh yea...nasty combo...hope the gal playing the Lone Star deck doesn't read
it.

Mamo
Message no. 4
From: Phil Jaros <chakan@****.PYROTECHNICS.COM>
Subject: Re: RR and LSU ?'s
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:48:39 -0500
>A couple of questions came up in the games I played with Caric
>yesterday, so I thought I'd toss them out. I'm CC:ing this to SRCard
>for possible discussion and comment as well.
>
>Q. When it comes to Runners on Retainer, who is the attacker and
>defender (shadowrunning player and challenge owner)? It makes a
>difference as the attacker gets to select pairing up of Runners.

We have always played that the Runners on Retainer Runners select the
pairings, ao I guess they are the attackers. Hmmm... but looking at my
handy dandy spoiler list I see that it says:

"The player who owns this Challenge may choose to defend the Objective
with his Runners instead of the Threat Rating on this card."

Sounds like they are the defenders.

>Q. When Lone Star Undercover is played, is chosen Runner's threat
>rating that is added to the Challenge the printed threat rating on the
>card or his current threat rating adjust by gear and wounds?

We've been playing that it is the current Threat Rating. It really was
annoying when it took my 18/6/A6 Louie 'Da Bruiser. ;(

>Q. If an opponent fails to sleaze a personnel or Lone Star challenge
>that doesn't have a threat rating to add to (LS Beat Cops, Scatter
>Brain Raid, ...) is it still legal to play LS Undercover to at least
>trash a Runner? (I figure yes, but figured it best to confirm.)

Nope. It says that you add it to it's threat rating, so a Challenge
without a Threat Rating doesn't have one to add to. I guess the
Runner could still be discarded, but that it wouldn't make the
challenge have a threat Rating.


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