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Message no. 1
From: Adrian Smerdon <adrian.smerdon@********.COM.AU>
Subject: Security Consultant Questions
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:25:48 +1100
Here's some hypotheticals that may never happen, still I would be
interested in peoples opinions.

For reference here's the text for Security Consultant: "Runner team must
face top card of shadowrunning player's own Challenge stack on this
Objective. Trash new Challenge if sleazed or defeated; otherwise, return it
to top of Challenge stack.If player has no Challenges on this Objective,
then the shadowrun is over. Trash after revealed."

1. Your security consultant causes the other player to uncover his security
consultant. Does he then have to uncover his next challenge also?

2. You have a security Consultant followed by a Double Jeopardy. Does the
double jeopardy duplicate the other players last challenge (revealed by
Security Consultant) or duplicate the Security Consultant causing the other
player to fight another of his own challenges?

Regards,
Adrian.
Message no. 2
From: Michael Alan Gardner <mgardn3@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Security Consultant Questions
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:26:25 -0600
On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Adrian Smerdon wrote:

> Here's some hypotheticals that may never happen, still I would be
> interested in peoples opinions.
>
> For reference here's the text for Security Consultant: "Runner team must
> face top card of shadowrunning player's own Challenge stack on this
> Objective. Trash new Challenge if sleazed or defeated; otherwise, return it
> to top of Challenge stack.If player has no Challenges on this Objective,
> then the shadowrun is over. Trash after revealed."
>
> 1. Your security consultant causes the other player to uncover his security
> consultant. Does he then have to uncover his next challenge also?
I would say yes to that one. The way I read the sec. consultant
is that you replace him with whatever the top challange on his stack is,
so, if you were the running team, you would reveal your top challange
and face it as though it was a normal challange (i.e. part of the other
guy's stack) so then whatever comes next is now your top challange to
face, so I would go with using the next challange in the running
team's stack (of course, if the running team played 3 sec. consultants...
well, oops run is over and the opposing team gets a freebee).

>
> 2. You have a security Consultant followed by a Double Jeopardy. Does the
> double jeopardy duplicate the other players last challenge (revealed by
> Security Consultant) or duplicate the Security Consultant causing the other
> player to fight another of his own challenges?
Double Jeopardy is an exact copy of the last revealed challange,
which would be whatever Sec. Consultant forced you to face.

I think that's how people intended the game to work.
-Mike
Message no. 3
From: "O.Kramer" <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Security Consultant Questions
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:11:11 +0100
Adrian Smerdon schrieb:
> Here's some hypotheticals that may never happen, still I would be
> interested in peoples opinions.
>
> For reference here's the text for Security Consultant: "Runner team must
> face top card of shadowrunning player's own Challenge stack on this
> Objective. Trash new Challenge if sleazed or defeated; otherwise, return it
> to top of Challenge stack.If player has no Challenges on this Objective,
> then the shadowrun is over. Trash after revealed."
>
> 1. Your security consultant causes the other player to uncover his security
> consultant. Does he then have to uncover his next challenge also?
>
> 2. You have a security Consultant followed by a Double Jeopardy. Does the
> double jeopardy duplicate the other players last challenge (revealed by
> Security Consultant) or duplicate the Security Consultant causing the other
> player to fight another of his own challenges?
>
> Regards,
> Adrian.

1. Uhh, I dont know but think the run is over.Dont know why just think so.

2. D.J. duplicates the S.C.

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Message no. 4
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Security Consultant Questions
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:46:16 PST
Hoi,
>
>Here's some hypotheticals that may never happen, still I would be
>interested in peoples opinions.
>
>For reference here's the text for Security Consultant: "Runner team
>must face top card of shadowrunning player's own Challenge stack on
>this Objective. Trash new Challenge if sleazed or defeated; >otherwise,
return it to top of Challenge stack.If player has no >Challenges on this
Objective, then the shadowrun is over. Trash >after revealed."

>1. Your security consultant causes the other player to uncover his
>security consultant. Does he then have to uncover his next challenge
>also?

This actually happened in a game I played. We just followed the card
text and continued. Running against player 1. Player 1's consoltant,
forced us to unturn player 2's consoltant. So then player 2's
consoltant put us to running against player 1's second challenge. Once
that challenge got defeated, the run just continued against player 1's
stack.

>2. You have a security Consultant followed by a Double Jeopardy. >Does
the double jeopardy duplicate the other players last challenge >
(revealed by Security Consultant) or duplicate the Security >Consultant
causing the other player to fight another of his own >challenges?

>Regards,
>Adrian.

Double Jeopardy is an exact duplicate of the challenge that was just
faced. So if a security consoltant forces you to look at a Hunting
Gargoyle, then you turn over a double jeopardy... you must then again
face another hunting gargoyle.

*** Knife Sharpens on Stone... Man Sharpens on Man ***
*** - Tao ***

Jayden Stormwalker
Donald Arganbright


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Message no. 5
From: Kevin P Dargis <NEORAZORBOY@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Security Consultant Questions
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:35:07 -0800
>Here's some hypotheticals that may never happen, still I would be
>interested in peoples opinions.
>
>For reference here's the text for Security Consultant: "Runner team must
>face top card of shadowrunning player's own Challenge stack on this
>Objective. Trash new Challenge if sleazed or defeated; otherwise, return it
>to top of Challenge stack.If player has no Challenges on this Objective,
>then the shadowrun is over. Trash after revealed."
>
>1. Your security consultant causes the other player to uncover his security
>consultant. Does he then have to uncover his next challenge also?
>
>2. You have a security Consultant followed by a Double Jeopardy. Does the
>double jeopardy duplicate the other players last challenge (revealed by
>Security Consultant) or duplicate the Security Consultant causing the other
>player to fight another of his own challenges?
>
>Regards,
>Adrian.

The first outcome did happen in a game of mine and so did the following:

I hit the guy with Blindsided and All or Nothing! after he wiped out my
challenge stack. This left the last card revealed Security Consultant.

I asked FASA back then what to do under these situations....and their
response wuz that the run is over under these situtations.....so, I'm
guessing the Double Jeapordy would do the same. Laterz.....Raz
Message no. 6
From: Michael Schwobe <Almyghty@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Security Consultant Questions
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:32:23 EST
Okay, this isn't as hard as some people are making it out to be. Quote "must
face the top card of SHADOWRUNNING PLAYER'S own challenge stack on this
Objective." Since the shadowrunning player's Security Consultant is no longer
the top card, and as highlighted above, it states SHADOWRUNNING PLAYER'S,
obviously, the shadowrunning player faces his next challange. Anyone else
have any trouble understanding?

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