Back to the main page

Mailing List Logs for ShadowRN

Message no. 1
From: Dennis Shea <LordBurger@***.COM>
Subject: ShadowRun CCG Questions.
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:18:19 -0400
1. If you have an invisibility on a mage, and the alarm gets triggered some
how, say flock of geese, or you have foxy Roxie on a run where flock has
triggered the alarm, would you be able to use Roxy's game text or the spell
invisibility to slease a challenge? I know that if the alarm is triggered
you can not use skills ( technical/sorcery, ect..) to try to slease, but
could special cards or special game texts (ROXY) be used????

2. If it was my turn, and in my legwork phase i deploy Lord Torgo, and my
opponent has Archie McDeven on the table, would my opponent get to use
Archie's game text, 3$ turn an unturned runner before i would be able to use
Lord Torgo's game text, X$, trash X target elves. We have used the d6 roll
to determine who gets action, is this correct, or if not, what is the correct
ruling??

3. Say this happens, on a run i have 3 runners, a 3/3, 3/2, 3/2, and a
Guardian Fire elemental pops up as the 1st challenge, which i cannot slease.
I assign 2,2, and 3 points of damage to the runners present, leaving 5
points of damage un accounted for. Now on the table, in my safehouse, i have
a Knuckles, a runner with guard. If i used the guard ability, will he only
take the damage he guards, or will the 5 unaccounted damage be put onto
knuckles because he guarded?

4. Does the invisibility spell turn when it is used, or if the three
challenges faced on an objective can be sleased by one invisibility-(awakend,
street, personal), would a mage walk through to the objective all by himself?

Thank you for all your help people, may the game continue to go strong, and
will the stim patch dispute be settled already, please!!!!
Message no. 2
From: Phillip G Jaros <phillip_jaros@**.US.SWISSBANK.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun CCG Questions.
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:14:52 CDT
Dennis Shea wrote:
>1. If you have an invisibility on a mage, and the alarm gets triggered some
>how, say flock of geese, or you have foxy Roxie on a run where flock has
>triggered the alarm, would you be able to use Roxy's game text or the spell
>invisibility to slease a challenge? I know that if the alarm is triggered
>you can not use skills ( technical/sorcery, ect..) to try to slease, but
>could special cards or special game texts (ROXY) be used????

For once, I actually have my cards and a rulebook at work and I would
have to say that no card can sleaze a challenge after the alarm is
triggered. "Once a Runner team triggers the alarm, all Challenges
are alerted to the Runners' presenc. The Runners cannot sleaze Challenges
for the remainder of the shadowrun and they must face the Challenge
on which they triggered the alarm." SO any card that says it sleazes
a challenge does not work. Cards like Stun Gloves and Razorback could
still "trash" a challenge though.

>2. If it was my turn, and in my legwork phase i deploy Lord Torgo, and my
>opponent has Archie McDeven on the table, would my opponent get to use
>Archie's game text, 3$ turn an unturned runner before i would be able to use
>Lord Torgo's game text, X$, trash X target elves. We have used the d6 roll
>to determine who gets action, is this correct, or if not, what is the correct
>ruling??

This would deffinately fall under the d6 rule, since character's special
text powers can be used at any time like a stinger.

>3. Say this happens, on a run i have 3 runners, a 3/3, 3/2, 3/2, and a
>Guardian Fire elemental pops up as the 1st challenge, which i cannot slease.
>I assign 2,2, and 3 points of damage to the runners present, leaving 5
>points of damage un accounted for. Now on the table, in my safehouse, i have
>a Knuckles, a runner with guard. If i used the guard ability, will he only
>take the damage he guards, or will the 5 unaccounted damage be put onto
>knuckles because he guarded?

Gaurd only works for Runners that are present with the Body Guard.
Therefore, Knuckles in the previous scenario cannot absorb any damage.
If he was on the run in the above scenario then he would obviously have
to take the other 5 damage.

If say 3 runers that were 3/2's were in the safe house with Knuckles
when a Riots is played he could absorb the two points for one of the
other runners, but would still have to take 2 for himself and 2 damage
for the runner he guarded. Personally we have played that in the
above situation is treated as one 4 point hit, and not 2 seperate 2
pointers. That way he can't blow off 2 of the four with his 1 point of
armor.

>4. Does the invisibility spell turn when it is used, or if the three
>challenges faced on an objective can be sleased by one invisibility-(awakend,
>street, personal), would a mage walk through to the objective all by himself?

No, it only "sleazes the just revealed challenge." I guess the duration
on the spell kind of stinks. :)

These questions may have already have been answered since we have been
trying to fix a problem with the bank's main mail gateway...
If they have been answered I apoligize for the wasted bandwidth.

--
Phil Jaros 888888888 Chicago Tech Support
jarosph@**.us.swissbank.com O=O=O=O=O SBC Warburg Dillon Read
___________aaaaaaaaaaaaa___________
___...aaaad8888888888888888p"""""q8888888888888888baaaa...___
``"""""q8888888888888|
|8888888888888p"""""''
``"""""< `=-~-='
>"""""''
Chakan `| ^ |'
The Forever Man / | =-= | \
/ `__.__' \
Message no. 3
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun CCG Questions.
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:05:02 -0700
Dennis Shea wrote:

I haven't read the three other messages on this thread, so bear with me
if I'm repeating stuff.

> 1. If you have an invisibility on a mage, and the alarm gets triggered some
> how, say flock of geese, or you have foxy Roxie on a run where flock has
> triggered the alarm, would you be able to use Roxy's game text or the spell
> invisibility to slease a challenge? I know that if the alarm is triggered
> you can not use skills ( technical/sorcery, ect..) to try to slease, but
> could special cards or special game texts (ROXY) be used????

Note: Apparently, FASA's ruling is that Flock of Geese can be sleazed by
Invisibility/Sleep, sinec the Challenge is (Awakened). This, despite
the card reading "..once *revealed* sound the alarum!"
or somesuch.

This being said, I've always played it that "special effects" cards
allow sleazing no matter the circumstances.

> 2. If it was my turn, and in my legwork phase i deploy Lord Torgo, and my
> opponent has Archie McDeven on the table, would my opponent get to use
> Archie's game text, 3$ turn an unturned runner before i would be able to use
> Lord Torgo's game text, X$, trash X target elves. We have used the d6 roll
> to determine who gets action, is this correct, or if not, what is the correct
> ruling??

Sinec it's your turn, you would get to use effects first (RBT, p. 16).
If, however, you decide to do something different (have a Runner visit
the Iron Lung, for example), your opponent could then McDeven Torgo and
you would not be able to use his ability.

> 3. Say this happens, on a run i have 3 runners, a 3/3, 3/2, 3/2, and a
> Guardian Fire elemental pops up as the 1st challenge, which i cannot slease.
> I assign 2,2, and 3 points of damage to the runners present, leaving 5
> points of damage un accounted for. Now on the table, in my safehouse, i have
> a Knuckles, a runner with guard. If i used the guard ability, will he only
> take the damage he guards, or will the 5 unaccounted damage be put onto
> knuckles because he guarded?

Runners can only Guard other Runners that are *present*. Since Knuckles
is in the safehouse, he is not present on the run, and so cannot assist
the other Runners.

Also, a Guard takes damage directed at another character. You would
first assign all damage, and I imagine there wouldn't be any unaccounted
damage if you were going to use Knuckles' ability (since he would have
damage equal to his Body).

> 4. Does the invisibility spell turn when it is used, or if the three
> challenges faced on an objective can be sleased by one invisibility-(awakend,
> street, personal), would a mage walk through to the objective all by himself?

Matrix Programs and Spells apply to only one Challenge unless otherwise
noted.

> Thank you for all your help people, may the game continue to go strong, and
> will the stim patch dispute be settled already, please!!!!

I already handled that.


-Mb
Message no. 4
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun CCG Questions.
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:03:51 -0700
---Dennis Shea wrote:
>
> 1. If you have an invisibility on a mage, and the alarm gets
triggered some
> how, say flock of geese, or you have foxy Roxie on a run where flock
has
> triggered the alarm, would you be able to use Roxy's game text or
the spell
> invisibility to slease a challenge? I know that if the alarm is
triggered
> you can not use skills ( technical/sorcery, ect..) to try to slease,
but
> could special cards or special game texts (ROXY) be used????

Being unable to sleaze a challenge due to sources like a triggered
alarm or cards that state <foo> cannot be sleazed refers only to the
skill requirement for sleazing. Sleazing allowed by card text (i.e.
Invisibility, feeding a runner to the ghouls, maglock guesses, etc.)
are above and beyond this.

This comes from our list's Game Q&A:

Q.Is there a difference between the skill requirement for sleazing a
challenge and alternate choices to "sleaze" as listed in the card text
(i.e. - Gut Check or Feeding Ghouls)? If not then a comb ination like
a triggered Motion Detectors (or a Red Alert) and then a Gut Check
could effectivley form a dead lock with very few options to get past it.

A.Once Motion Detectors and Red Alert are played, Challenges cannot be
sleazed. However, cards like Feeding Ghouls and Gut Check! are,
indeed, an exception to this. As you point out, not being able to get
past Gut Check! on a successful roll makes no sense (and we are
counting on people to use some common sense in such situations. We
don't want the game to become as convoluted as Magic can be.)

Sleep spell would also work against Objectives defended by Red Alert
and Motion Detectors.

> 2. If it was my turn, and in my legwork phase i deploy Lord Torgo,
and my
> opponent has Archie McDeven on the table, would my opponent get to use
> Archie's game text, 3$ turn an unturned runner before i would be
able to use
> Lord Torgo's game text, X$, trash X target elves. We have used the
d6 roll
> to determine who gets action, is this correct, or if not, what is
the correct
> ruling??

By vanilla rules, it is your turn so your action would come first if
it was clear this is what your action would be. Now, if you don't jump
on it and use Torgo as soon as he comes out (say you decided to Recon
with Kracker Jack first) your opponent should be freely able to use
Archie to turn Torgo before you get around to him.

If all else fails, the d6 roll to resolve the timing issue sounds like
a good way to handle it.

> 3. Say this happens, on a run i have 3 runners, a 3/3, 3/2, 3/2,
and a
> Guardian Fire elemental pops up as the 1st challenge, which i cannot
slease.
> I assign 2,2, and 3 points of damage to the runners present,
leaving 5
> points of damage un accounted for. Now on the table, in my
safehouse, i have
> a Knuckles, a runner with guard. If i used the guard ability, will
he only
> take the damage he guards, or will the 5 unaccounted damage be put
onto
> knuckles because he guarded?

It's a moot point.

The key is that Guard may only be used to protect another Runner that
is "present" (RBT page 29). This means that Knuckles must also be on
the run if he's going to take damage for one of your guys. Otherwise,
in the example you gave, Knuckles would only be able to take damage
for someone else in the safehouse with him (i.e. Riots or a Drive-by).

> 4. Does the invisibility spell turn when it is used, or if the three
> challenges faced on an objective can be sleased by one
invisibility-(awakend,
> street, personal), would a mage walk through to the objective all by
himself?

RBT page 35 says you turn a spell to use it.

Invisibility only affect the Challenge currently being faced. One
Invisibility spell isn't going to take you past two or three different
Challenges. Now if Shasta had to different Invisibility cards on her,
she could turn one to sleaze one Challenge and then the other spell to
sleaze the next.

-== Loki ==-
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
Fearless Leader of the Shadowrun Trading Card Game Mailing List
SRCard FAQ: www.primenet.com/~gamemstr/srstuff/tcgfaq1.htm
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
Poisoned Elves: www.primenet.com/~gamemstr
SRTCG trade lists last updated 10/11/97
_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

Further Reading

If you enjoyed reading about ShadowRun CCG Questions., you may also be interested in:

Disclaimer

These messages were posted a long time ago on a mailing list far, far away. The copyright to their contents probably lies with the original authors of the individual messages, but since they were published in an electronic forum that anyone could subscribe to, and the logs were available to subscribers and most likely non-subscribers as well, it's felt that re-publishing them here is a kind of public service.