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Message no. 1
From: Adam Lewis <adamswork@*****.COM>
Subject: Small, pointless complaint about FASA (might want to ignore)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:38:42 -0700
At GenCon this past August I tried out at least a dozen card games
looking for one that sparked my interest. I'd never played a card game
before. When I went to the Fasa booth I talked to a tall skinny guy,
slightly balding and he tells me about the game and sits me down with
a guy running demos and tells me all about Corp Wars and how the 2nd
run will be coming soon and how they have ALL these resources
dedicated to the game, blah, blah, blah...

And now, a little over one month later, they do a complete turn
around. Now, the man I talked to was running the booth and giving
orders, etc. and one of the artist sitting down pointed him out to me
and said, "Ask that guy right there, he's the Dir of Marketing." So,
this was an informed employee.

I believe it was Loki that posted some reasons he was given for the
delay. They sounded genuine and I tend to believe him. The reasons
were roughly something to do with the buy-out of Ral Partha, their
miniature game and 3rd edition SR line. Now, I realize that Fasa is a
smallish company but I'm almost certain that none of these decision
were made with in one month of GenCon.

I think they had to of known these changes were coming and that
Corp Wars and the 2nd run would be pushed back and that Earthdawn
would be dropped. BUT this didn't stop them from selling me on both of
these product lines. I specifically asked about the resources devoted
to these two products and I was assured they were strong lines.

I guess I feel like I was scammed after spending $200+ on SRCG and
at least another $150+ on Earthdawn books, and it was the same guy who
told me about the games that was taking my money. I know they couldn't
just come out and announce their changes while I'm standing at their
booth, but I just feel like I was lied too and that sucks, regardless
of how good their games are.

However, the card game is still just as playable without Corp Wars
or the second run and I'm far from completing a set of the 1st run
anyway. And there are plenty of Earthdawn books out for me to run a
campaign for the next 5 years and not run out of material.

So, my point is...I still like these two products and I won't be
giving up on either, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I buy any
new product lines from Fasa and I'll never trust someone in marketing
again.

Ok, done.




==
AdamL

"The good die first."
"But most of us are morally ambiguous, which explains our random dying
patterns."



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Message no. 2
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Small, pointless complaint about FASA (might want to ignore)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:12:19 +1000
> I think they had to of known these changes were coming and that
>Corp Wars and the 2nd run would be pushed back and that Earthdawn
>would be dropped. BUT this didn't stop them from selling me on both of
>these product lines. I specifically asked about the resources devoted
>to these two products and I was assured they were strong lines.

Okay - a teeny bit of a misconception, I think. (This isn't an attack on
you, Adam, I've just seen this posted around a bit.)

Earthdawn was _not_ dropped to make room for Crimson Skies and Carniverse -
it was dropped because it wasn't making FASA enough money. Pure and simple.
They've been holding talks with other companies trying to find someone
who's willing to pick it up, though.

And, as a final note, I think the announcement about Earthdawn being
dropped was actually made _before_ GenCon? Can someone in the know give me
a yea or nay about this?

Lady Jestyr

- Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
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Message no. 3
From: Mark Peterson <talos187@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Small, pointless complaint about FASA (might want to ignore)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:24:52 -0700
Um...maybe I'm a little slow on this but--ED's DOA? Yikes. I liked the
game, even though it was a little mainstream. It had a nice classic
feeling about it. Oh well -- I wasn't buying new books much anyways,
and I suppose no one else was either.
--

peace be thy path,

talos landone
Message no. 4
From: Earl Clay <ninjaboy007@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Small, pointless complaint about FASA (might want to ignore)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:06:14 PDT
>Earthdawn was _not_ dropped to make room for Crimson Skies and
Carniverse -
>it was dropped because it wasn't making FASA enough money. Pure and
simple.
>They've been holding talks with other companies trying to find someone
>who's willing to pick it up, though.
>
>And, as a final note, I think the announcement about Earthdawn being
>dropped was actually made _before_ GenCon? Can someone in the know give
me
>a yea or nay about this?
>
>Lady Jestyr
>
>- Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
> jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr
>
They knew at least as early as the beginning of July that ED was
getting the axe. And to the guy who said it was 'mainstream' I contend
that it was perhaps the most arcane & offbeat game out there. I'd LOVE
to know what you think isn't mainstream. (say Vampire & you lose a
testicle).


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Message no. 5
From: Gunnar Lundquist <OneWay919@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Small, pointless complaint about FASA (might want to ignore)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:14:27 EDT
In a message dated 98-10-08 02:07:41 EDT, you write:

<< >
They knew at least as early as the beginning of July that ED was
getting the axe. And to the guy who said it was 'mainstream' I contend
that it was perhaps the most arcane & offbeat game out there. I'd LOVE
to know what you think isn't mainstream. (say Vampire & you lose a
testicle).
>>

Just a reply from a male subscriber...oooooohhhhhhhhh that's just rude

OneWay
Message no. 6
From: Mark Peterson <talos187@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Small, pointless complaint about FASA (might want to ignore)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:54:54 -0700
EarthDawn was nice, but it was classic and mainstream fantasy. There
were some original ideas, primarily the Blood Elves, but most of ED
would have slotted nicely into a D&D campaign and you know it. What
part of Parlainth wouldn't have been a perfect Hero's Quest game? Can't
you just see Frodo with the threaded Ring, eh? Or Rand weaving the
threads of saidar. It was excellent stuff, a perfect composite work of
almost every fantasy work. But it was mainstream, it was classic.
That's why I loved it.

--

peace be thy path,

talos landone

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