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Message no. 1
From: Jonathan Edwards <jonathan.edwards@*****.COM>
Subject: SOC Confusion
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:01:13 +0100
Here's a question our group had about State Of Confusion this weekend.

A wanted was played on my Skwaaaaaark!. I used a State of Confusion to
push the Wanted onto his Iron Mike. That player wanted to play his SOC and
push the Wanted to a third player. Is this a valid play, or can State of
Confusion not be played on State of Confusion.

The card texts says play on Special just played. Is my SOC the one just
played, or can that also apply to the Wanted?

Are you confused yet? ;-)

Thanks,

Jon
Message no. 2
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: SOC Confusion
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:37:53 PDT
Hoi,

>Here's a question our group had about State Of Confusion this weekend.
>
>A wanted was played on my Skwaaaaaark!. I used a State of Confusion to
>push the Wanted onto his Iron Mike. That player wanted to play his SOC
and
>push the Wanted to a third player. Is this a valid play, or can State
of
>Confusion not be played on State of Confusion.
>
>The card texts says play on Special just played. Is my SOC the one
just
>played, or can that also apply to the Wanted?
>
>Are you confused yet? ;-)
>
Thats a very valid play. Its like lotiing someone elsed loti. Its a
valid target since it is a special. Lets use a real time example here.
LS sargent 1 puts out wanted onto my swqaaaaaark. He sends patrolmen
number 1 to go get him. Along the way patrolman 1 get confused and
begins pounding onto squaaaaarks next door neibor Iron Mike. Well at
this point his radio goes off about a donut bar that just got hit and in
his rage he forgets what he is doing for a second and walked across the
street and puts the wanted on some poor schmuck who was just trying to
watch the late show.

Ok.. corny story.. but SOCing someone elses SOC is valid.

*** In ruling, the Sage attends to the heart, not the eye ***
*** - Tao ***


Donald Arganbright
Jayden Stormwalker


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Message no. 3
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: SOC Confusion
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:13:49 -0700
>>Here's a question our group had about State Of Confusion this weekend.
>>
>>A wanted was played on my Skwaaaaaark!. I used a State of Confusion to
>>push the Wanted onto his Iron Mike. That player wanted to play his SOC
>and
>>push the Wanted to a third player. Is this a valid play, or can State
>of
>>Confusion not be played on State of Confusion.
>>
>>The card texts says play on Special just played. Is my SOC the one
>just
>>played, or can that also apply to the Wanted?
>>
>>Are you confused yet? ;-)
>>
>Thats a very valid play. Its like lotiing someone elsed loti. Its a
>valid target since it is a special. Lets use a real time example here.
>LS sargent 1 puts out wanted onto my swqaaaaaark. He sends patrolmen
>number 1 to go get him. Along the way patrolman 1 get confused and
>begins pounding onto squaaaaarks next door neibor Iron Mike. Well at
>this point his radio goes off about a donut bar that just got hit and in
>his rage he forgets what he is doing for a second and walked across the
>street and puts the wanted on some poor schmuck who was just trying to
>watch the late show.
>
>Ok.. corny story.. but SOCing someone elses SOC is valid.
>
Maybe I'm reading the card too literally, but here's how I see it:

There is only one card "just played" at any time in the game. Once SoC is
played on Wanted, SoC becomes the card just played. Playing a second SoC
attempts to change the target of the first SoC, not the target of the card
targetted by the first SoC. Since there was only one card "just played"
when the first SoC was played, you cannot change the target of the first
SoC. Therefore, you cannot play a second SoC to change the target of the
first SoC.

Again, maybe I'm taking the card text too literally. This may be one of
those cases where an official ruling is required.

David
Message no. 4
From: "Bourgault, Patrick" <pbourgau@***.CA>
Subject: Re: SOC Confusion
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:29:00 PDT
>>Here's a question our group had about State Of Confusion this weekend.
>>
>>A wanted was played on my Skwaaaaaark!. I used a State of Confusion to
>>push the Wanted onto his Iron Mike. That player wanted to play his SOC
>and
>>push the Wanted to a third player. Is this a valid play, or can State
>of
>>Confusion not be played on State of Confusion.
>>
>>The card texts says play on Special just played. Is my SOC the one
>just
>>played, or can that also apply to the Wanted?
>>
>>Are you confused yet? ;-)
>>
>Thats a very valid play. Its like lotiing someone elsed loti. Its a
>valid target since it is a special. Lets use a real time example here.
>LS sargent 1 puts out wanted onto my swqaaaaaark. He sends patrolmen
>number 1 to go get him. Along the way patrolman 1 get confused and
>begins pounding onto squaaaaarks next door neibor Iron Mike. Well at
>this point his radio goes off about a donut bar that just got hit and in
>his rage he forgets what he is doing for a second and walked across the
>street and puts the wanted on some poor schmuck who was just trying to
>watch the late show.
>
>Ok.. corny story.. but SOCing someone elses SOC is valid.
>
Maybe I'm reading the card too literally, but here's how I see it:

There is only one card "just played" at any time in the game. Once SoC
is
played on Wanted, SoC becomes the card just played. Playing a second SoC
attempts to change the target of the first SoC, not the target of the
card
targetted by the first SoC. Since there was only one card "just played"
when the first SoC was played, you cannot change the target of the first
SoC. Therefore, you cannot play a second SoC to change the target of the
first SoC.

Again, maybe I'm taking the card text too literally. This may be one of
those cases where an official ruling is required.

I'd say your right. Even LOTI must be played within a specific sequence
(hence LOTI one's LOTI). Since this card can be quite powerful, it got
to have some limit, aka the card text. So I also say that the text
should be read literally. In the example above, I'd say you cannot SOC
another's SOC.
Message no. 5
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SOC Confusion
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:49:06 -0700
---Jonathan Edwards <jonathan.edwards@*****.COM> wrote:
>
> Here's a question our group had about State Of Confusion this weekend.
>
> A wanted was played on my Skwaaaaaark!. I used a State of Confusion to
> push the Wanted onto his Iron Mike. That player wanted to play his SOC and
> push the Wanted to a third player. Is this a valid play, or can State of
> Confusion not be played on State of Confusion.
>
> The card texts says play on Special just played. Is my SOC the one just
> played, or can that also apply to the Wanted?
>
> Are you confused yet? ;-)

The 2nd SOC would target the 1st SOC as the most recent "just played" special.

However, there would have to be another valid target for the 2nd SOC to point
the 1st one at. Since the Wanted played on Skwaaaaaark is the only "just
played" special that the 1st SOC could target, there isn't another legal
target for the 2nd SOC to move it to. Thus the 2nd SOC is not a valid play.

Did that make sense, or was it clear as mud?

I got your other mail J.E. and I'll ask the DLOH's for their word on this, as
I have something else to ask them about anyways.

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Message no. 6
From: Jonathan Edwards <jonathan.edwards@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: SOC Confusion
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:12:44 +0100
>The 2nd SOC would target the 1st SOC as the most recent "just played"
special.
>
>However, there would have to be another valid target for the 2nd SOC to point
>the 1st one at. Since the Wanted played on Skwaaaaaark is the only "just
>played" special that the 1st SOC could target, there isn't another legal
>target for the 2nd SOC to move it to. Thus the 2nd SOC is not a valid play.
>
>Did that make sense, or was it clear as mud?
>
>I got your other mail J.E. and I'll ask the DLOH's for their word on this, as
>I have something else to ask them about anyways.

I can live with that. It is a different phrasing than the Better Offering
a Better Offer. It was just a unique turn of events in our Friday game
which pretty much left everyone saying "wellllllll....how do other people
play it????"

Normally we play the way we want anyway, but this was one ruling we wanted
to leave up to a general consensus of others....that way no one "gets their
way" and potentially irritates other members of the group....

Btw, this one is for David....You were right, so quit rubbing it in... ;-)

A real advantage and disadvantage in working with a friend who plays (who
incidentally got me into playing in the first place....) -- We can discuss
playing different decks, but if I lose a discussion about a card or text,
then I have to get taunted here at work as well......

Que Sera' Sera' ;-)

Thanks, Loki

Jon

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