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Message no. 1
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: SRTCG
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:12:11 -0400
This is mostly for Lady J, but I asked FASAMktg about teh CCG in Australia,
and this is what I got back... Enjoy, and Good Luck...

Bull

>From: FASAMktg@***.com
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:57:27 -0400 (EDT)
>To: chaos@*****.com
>Subject: Re: SRTCG
>
>Hi,
>
>It is already there. We ahve already heard from players in Australia who
>have it in their hands.
>
>Ask your local retailer, it is available.
>
>Thanks.
>
>FASA
>
>
--
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Message no. 2
From: Rob Harris <rjharris@********.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR:TCG
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:18:04 -0700
Yes, I am. What exactly are you selling?

Rob

----------
> From: Edwin Eng <eje@******.ORG>
> To: SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: FS: SR:TCG
> Date: Saturday, October 04, 1997 8:52 AM
>
> Please email me for a list if you're interested.
>
> Thanks
>
> Edwin
Message no. 3
From: Jyster !!! <jyster007@*******.COM>
Subject: SRTCG
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:50:46 PST
1> Does Stiletto have to go on the run in order for him
to use his pumpable stealth ability?

2> If someone is intercepting your shadowrun can you
play wild goose chase to send them back?

3> If someone has a tapped runner at his safehouse
and you play wanted on him. He takes enough damage to
kill him. Can your opponent use a guard ability of another
runner in his safehouse? If so will you get the rep
points if the guarding runner dies?

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Message no. 4
From: Quicksilver <qwksilvr@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: SRTCG
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:31:10 -0600
At 07:50 AM 10/30/97 PST, you wrote:

Preface all these answers with: "As I understand it,"

>1> Does Stiletto have to go on the run in order for him
>to use his pumpable stealth ability?

No. He can give it to anyone

>2> If someone is intercepting your shadowrun can you
>play wild goose chase to send them back?

No. The card specifies target shadowrunning team. The interceptors
are not on a shadowrun.

>3> If someone has a tapped runner at his safehouse
>and you play wanted on him. He takes enough damage to
>kill him. Can your opponent use a guard ability of another
>runner in his safehouse? If so will you get the rep
>points if the guarding runner dies?

You cannot use guard to protect a Wanted runner. Guard specifies
that it only benifits another runner who is present (pg. 29). The game term
'present' is defined as one of three situations (pg. 14). The bodyguard in
the safehouse would not be present with the Wanted runner who is in
runner-against-runner combat.

Hg
Message no. 5
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: SRTCG
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:10:11 -0800
Jyster !!! wrote:

> 1> Does Stiletto have to go on the run in order for him
> to use his pumpable stealth ability?

Nope. If a card effect reads "target Runner" or "give a Runner" (I
think Stiletto is the latter), the ability can be played on any Runner
on the board. If Stiletto read, 'give *present* Runner Stealth until
end of turn', then it could only be played on Runners present with him -
ie, in the safehouse, on a run, or in combat with him. It'd still be
possible for him to give someone Stealth during the Legwork phase (when
everyone, more or less, is at 'home'), and the Stealth skill would stay
with that Runner throughout the 'run, until the end of turn. (Unless
Whoops!ed, of course.)

Note: I've heard talk about the card being worded 'Give present
Runner...', which is why I digress so.

Wait a minute.. when don't I digress?

> 2> If someone is intercepting your shadowrun can you
> play wild goose chase to send them back?

Well, no. Intercepting isn't the same as going on a shadowrun. You
could still GAQS all the individual members, though.

> 3> If someone has a tapped runner at his safehouse
> and you play wanted on him. He takes enough damage to
> kill him. Can your opponent use a guard ability of another
> runner in his safehouse? If so will you get the rep
> points if the guarding runner dies?

You can only Guard fellow Runners who are "present". Present counds as
being either a) on a shadowrun, b) in the safehouse, or c) in
Runner-on-Runner combat. Unfortunately, no one else is invited into the
Wanted combat, so you can't guard against it. (In fact, even if your
Bodyguard has Wanted on him, and even if he's attacked in the same turn,
he can't Guard the other Runner.)

You could still use DocWagon/Stimpatch, however, and (if he survives),
Biotech, Heal, and so forth.

Picture this, though: You're a 5/6 Bodyguard (Scorpio, I think.)
You're facing off against Ghost (5/5). Combat will knock you down to
being a 5/1 (Scorpio has Stamina!) and kill of Ghost.

However! Bodyguard! You could Guard Ghost against the damage you're
inflicting, and kill yourself off, thus gaining the Reputation (?).
Well, officially you can, since there's nothing in the book against it.
It sounds like the sort of weaselly move that tournament games are won
by :)



-Mb
Message no. 6
From: Jyster !!! <jyster007@*******.COM>
Subject: SRTCG
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:00:35 PST
Replying to the wild goose chase question.

FASA wrote that if in question go with the spirit
of the text. Why should you be able to GAQS
a runner intercepting and not WGC the runners?

Thou I walk through the Valley of Death I shall fear no
evil and he who will enter My Domain shall respect my site
and leave suggestions or email to make it grow.
Because I carry a BIG FRAGGING GUN, UNDERSTAND !!!!

Jyster at <a href="http://www.geocities.com/area51/lair/6908"></a>;

This is my Domain.


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Message no. 7
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: SRTCG
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:36:14 -0800
Jyster !!! wrote:
>
> Replying to the wild goose chase question.
>
> FASA wrote that if in question go with the spirit
> of the text. Why should you be able to GAQS
> a runner intercepting and not WGC the runners?

Actually, adding a definition of "team" to the rulebook would help out
*immensely*. It definitely would clear up the Z-zone, as well as this
Wild Goose Chase question, as well as the standard
decker/spirt:drone/indirect fire/Red Widow questions as well. (It also
raises the possibility of intercepting with indirect fire, and so on.)

I'll have to mention this to FASA...


-Mb
Message no. 8
From: Jyster !!! <jyster007@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: SRTCG
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:28:36 PST
>
>Jyster !!! wrote:
>>
>> Replying to the wild goose chase question.
>>
>> FASA wrote that if in question go with the spirit
>> of the text. Why should you be able to GAQS
>> a runner intercepting and not WGC the runners?
>
>Actually, adding a definition of "team" to the rulebook would help out
>*immensely*. It definitely would clear up the Z-zone, as well as this
>Wild Goose Chase question, as well as the standard
>decker/spirt:drone/indirect fire/Red Widow questions as well. (It also
>raises the possibility of intercepting with indirect fire, and so on.)

FASA said you can't intercept with indirect fire.
I already sent the wild goose chase question to FASA.

>I'll have to mention this to FASA...
>
>
>-Mb
>



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Message no. 9
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: SRTCG
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:49:26 -0800
> >Actually, adding a definition of "team" to the rulebook would help out
> >*immensely*. It definitely would clear up the Z-zone, as well as this
> >Wild Goose Chase question, as well as the standard
> >decker/spirt:drone/indirect fire/Red Widow questions as well. (It also
> >raises the possibility of intercepting with indirect fire, and so on.)

> FASA said you can't intercept with indirect fire.
> I already sent the wild goose chase question to FASA.

And it's easily understood why: Sure, I'll let Favorite Weak Guy (mine
is Jackyl, who really ain't that weak) intercept Torgo and Squeaaaaaaak
all by his lonesome. Oh, ignore the four guys with sniper rifles
backing him up :)

Still, I think a solid definition for team would do wonders; Indirect
Fire is already rigged so that it only assists in shadowrun (not
Runner-on-Runner combat, which intercepting basically is). Then Wild
Goose Chase can be amended to read, simply, "Return target team of
Runners to the safehouse", or something similar.
Message no. 10
From: Rob Harris <rjharris@********.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: SRTCG
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:19:56 -0600
> I'll have to mention this to FASA...
>
>
> -Mb

Be sure to send us their awnsers, eh Matt? That way we ALL know there
rulings! Thanks...

Rob

P.S. You DID mail my cards, right? I still haven't seen them and need them
for a deck on Saturday!
Message no. 11
From: Jyster !!! <jyster007@*******.COM>
Subject: srtcg
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:17:29 PST
Hey guys.

When can you use runners special abilites like Cherry Bomb?

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Message no. 12
From: Jyster !!! <jyster007@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: srtcg
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:05:04 PST
From FASA

><<Can you tell me if this combo is legal:
>
>Ranger Arms SM-3 with Extended Clip
>
>Flechette Rounds and Armor piercing ammo.
>
>So this would cause 12 damage for indirect fire and
>
>ignores armor.>>
>
>It's legal if you can pull it off! Ouch!
>



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Message no. 13
From: Jyster !!! <jyster007@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: srtcg
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:10:33 PST
FASA replied

><<Lets say I have 2 runners: 3/3, and a 4/4. The 3/3 has
>
>a Ruger Super Warhawk +3/0 and Flechette rounds. I send
>
>both of them on a run. Does that mean that the damage for
>
>the gun is doubled or the runner and the gun is doubled or
>
>all the runners and the gun is doubled?
>>>
>
>The Runner holding the gun is doubled. So, if the 3/3 Runner had the
gun and
>the flechette rounds, he'd do 3 + 3 x 2 damage or a total of 12 damage.
>
>
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Message no. 14
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Fwd: SR TCG
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:03:35 EST
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For those still into the srccg there isn't much hope but fasa will support=
any
tournament or in store tournaments, which isn't bad..maybe this may be br=
ing
new light onto the game..maybe some company may see the ¥ factor here an=
d try
to pick it up???... so hopefully fasa can at least give tournament support=
if
nothing else....

brak


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From: FASAMktg@***.com
Return-path: <FASAMktg@***.com>
To: Brakiss187@***.com
Subject: SR TCG
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:40:08 EST
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Dear Gabe,

I just wanted to thank you for your interest in supporting the Shadowrun TCG
with a newsletter. Although it has been quite a while since Mike forwarded
your letter onto me (Sept. 15), I didn't want you to think it had gone un-
noticed.

We have been very busy. Over the past 3 months, we have purchased a
miniatures company (Ral Partha), launched a new game (Crimson Skies), and
begun work on a new miniatures game (VOR: The Maelstrom). This, coupled with
the lack of support at the distribution and retail level (while there are many
fabulous stores and some good distributors...the market has been less than
steady) convinced us to focus on our new projects. The card market isn't
what it used to be, even for a great game like Shadowrun.

This means our support for the card game will be limited in 1999. We have no
plans to do any licensing for the CCG, but will certainly support any
convention tournamnets and in-store events.

Please accept my apologies for not responding to you sooner. We appreciate
your enthusiasm and support of the card game and thank you for your efforts.

Sincerely,


Jill Lucas
President

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Message no. 15
From: Keldon Mor <Keldon@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Fwd: SR TCG
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:28:22 -0600
>For those still into the srccg there isn't much hope but fasa will support
any
>tournament or in store tournaments, which isn't bad..maybe this may be
bring
>new light onto the game..maybe some company may see the ¥ factor here and
try
>to pick it up???... so hopefully fasa can at least give tournament support
if
>nothing else....


personally, I wouldn't put much money into any more FASA games as they seem
to give up on there products and sell out they're employees. Considering the
owners got a few mil and a guaranteed 5-year employment contract from
Microsoft for the sell of FASA interactive, 150k to put Corp wars out
wouldn't be too hard but nope. Also, a select few employees got to go along
with the sell, everyone else gets canned. FASA doesn't seem to be the place
to work or buy games from. a few years ago, I only played FASA games but
several new & old companies are putting out better stuff.
I also wouldn't hold my breath for any FASA sponsored tournaments...
Message no. 16
From: ">>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<<" <axlrose@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Fwd: SR TCG
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:20:00 -0500
>>For those still into the srccg there isn't much hope but fasa will
support any
>>tournament or in store tournaments, which isn't bad..maybe this may be
bring new light >>onto the game..maybe some company may see the ¥ factor
here and try to pick it >>up???... so hopefully fasa can at least give
tournament support if nothing else....

>personally, I wouldn't put much money into any more FASA games as they
seem to give up >on there products and sell out they're employees.

A minor point here - I realize that English might not be your first
language, hell, I know enough people that butcher it as it is. But to let
you know in case you care, 'their' is the possessive, similar to the
opposite of our; 'there' is a location generally; and 'they're' is the
shortened form of 'they are'. So the above sentence would have used
'their' both times. Not as a flame - just a learning experience.


>Considering the owners got a few mil and a guaranteed 5-year employment
contract from
>Microsoft for the sell of FASA interactive, 150k to put Corp wars out
wouldn't be too >hard but nope.

In the grand scheme of things, yea, it seems almost a minor point now. But
looking back over past e-mails that discussed this very topic, it seems
either FASA was spinning their wheels when it came to this game while
dragging their customers along. Or they realized that the market trend for
card games has dropped, miniatures have become the latest craze, so they
jumped on that band wagon without any regard to past customers. So at this
point, who really knows... or cares.


>Also, a select few employees got to go along with the sell, everyone else
gets canned. >FASA doesn't seem to be the place to work or buy games from.
a few years ago, I only >played FASA games but several new & old companies
are putting out better stuff. I also >wouldn't hold my breath for any FASA
sponsored tournaments...

Can you elaborate a bit more on the whole deal, possibly mentioning anyone
in particular that got fired to those that stayed? I was under the
impression that FASA did a lot of freelance materials so 'firing' someone
seems out of the ordinary. So now the company of 50, 30, 25, 20, is down
to what - 5?

And 5 sounds about right to the number of people that post around here the
last month or so...
>>>>>Axlrose - ...<<<<<
Message no. 17
From: Earl Clay <ninjaboy007@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Fwd: SR TCG
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 01:10:19 PST
>Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:20:00 -0500
>Reply-To: Shadowrun Trading Card Game Discussion
> <SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET>
>From: ">>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<<"
<axlrose@**********.COM>
>Subject: Re: Fwd: SR TCG
>To: SRCARD@********.ITRIBE.NET
>
>>Considering the owners got a few mil and a guaranteed 5-year
employment
>contract from
>>Microsoft for the sell of FASA interactive, 150k to put Corp wars out
>wouldn't be too >hard but nope.
Maybe. But 150 grand making no profit is money thrown away. Maybe it
would please a few customers, but it's not realistically worth it.

>In the grand scheme of things, yea, it seems almost a minor point now.
But
>looking back over past e-mails that discussed this very topic, it seems
>either FASA was spinning their wheels when it came to this game while
>dragging their customers along. Or they realized that the market trend
for
>card games has dropped, miniatures have become the latest craze,
I hate to be the one to break this to you but miniatures is in no way a
craze particularly. The industry is not seeing any particular boomtime
even with the recent release of the new Warhammer 40,000. I know this is
hard to face, but sometimes buisiness sense is the only way to go. Corp
War would be great but if you were in FASA's shoes you'd be an idiot to
release that when you could be creating new products.
so they
>jumped on that band wagon without any regard to past customers. So at
this
>point, who really knows... or cares.
>
I'd love to see this 'bandwagon'. It doesn't exist, period. In fact
when VOR comes out it will be the first major miniatures game to be
released from a non-Games Workshop company. And if you'd been paying
attention you'd know that several of FASA's staff, especially Nielsen
(the SRTCG's designer) are avid tabletop wargamers from many many years
back. This is nothing new to them, just to you. Believe that you don't
want Corp War to be released nearly as much as the ppl who slaved over
making it do. Not to mention that failure to make supplements for a
more than cmplete game like SRTCG in no way constitutes abandoning
anybody or anything. Are you so full of cash you feel abandoned when you
cannot constantly purchase?? You don't need a new supplement. It
would've been a fun extra, no more. Don't pretend it was core material
or something. Fact is FASA is one of the best game companies there is
for supporting their games. Look at Earthdawn- they pushed it, supported
it, & even tried giving out the core rules free 'cause they loved it &
wanted to keep it around. But it just didn't pull its own wieght, so
after *years* of losing money on it, they put it on hold.

>Can you elaborate a bit more on the whole deal, possibly mentioning
anyone
>in particular that got fired to those that stayed?
No he can't as he's spouting totally unfounded rumormill fodder with
little basis in fact.
I was under the
>impression that FASA did a lot of freelance materials so 'firing'
someone
>seems out of the ordinary. So now the company of 50, 30, 25, 20, is
down
>to what - 5?
No, it's about the same as before- around 25 ppl, which is as large as
it's ever been. FASA could never run w/ 5. They do do a lot of
freelancing, but as you said you can't 'fire' those ppl anyway. There
were never really firings anyway, there were layoffs, ppl which are now
back on the payroll thank you. And just for the record, FASA & FIT ore
two different corps with (now) no effect on each other. Don't lump them
in together. They were owned by the same ppl but now that isn't even
true.
>And 5 sounds about right to the number of people that post around here
the
>last month or so...
>>>>>>Axlrose - ...<<<<<


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