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Message no. 1
From: Rob Harris <rjharris@********.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Strange 'Crawler' ruling from FASA
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:01:15 -0700
This is just really strange. They SAY that everything with the pumpable
notation can be
used multiple times a turn, but there is SO MANY things that can't be
(Crawler Drone,
Bam-Bam, burst weapons, etc....). Well, here's the email.

<<Can you pump the Crawler drone multiple times so that it can get a recon
greater than one (for instance can you pay 4Y and give it a recon of two)?
>>

No.
Message no. 2
From: Gary Crane <jack9@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Strange 'Crawler' ruling from FASA
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:05:15 -0700
Rob Harris wrote:
>
> This is just really strange. They SAY that everything with the pumpable
> notation can be
> used multiple times a turn, but there is SO MANY things that can't be
> (Crawler Drone,
> Bam-Bam, burst weapons, etc....). Well, here's the email.
>
> <<Can you pump the Crawler drone multiple times so that it can get a recon
> greater than one (for instance can you pay 4Y and give it a recon of two)?
> >>
>
> No.

Well, the crawler doesn't say give itself Recon+1.
Message no. 3
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Strange 'Crawler' ruling from FASA
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:39:27 -0700
---Rob Harris wrote:
>
> This is just really strange. They SAY that everything with the
pumpable
> notation can be
> used multiple times a turn, but there is SO MANY things that can't be
> (Crawler Drone,
> Bam-Bam, burst weapons, etc....). Well, here's the email.

Keep in mind an open ended pumpable notation is someting like 1Y:
+1/+0. Bam Bam, the Crawler and so forth aren't designated as +X/+X
for their specials.

> <<Can you pump the Crawler drone multiple times so that it can get a
recon
> greater than one (for instance can you pay 4Y and give it a recon of
two)?
> >>
>
> No.

My understanding on this is that the drone must be turned to recon
(just as a runner would, RBT page 30). Since you pay the 2Y and turn
the drone to recon, you can't really do it a second time in the same
turn. <shrug>

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Message no. 4
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Strange 'Crawler' ruling from FASA
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:07:27 -0700
Rob Harris wrote:
>
> This is just really strange. They SAY that everything with the pumpable
> notation can be used multiple times a turn, but there is SO MANY things that can't be
> (Crawler Drone, Bam-Bam, burst weapons, etc....). Well, here's the email.

> <<Can you pump the Crawler drone multiple times so that it can get a recon
> greater than one (for instance can you pay 4Y and give it a recon of two)?
> >>

> No.

Rob, the email I got explained it a bit better. Any card with the text
Y: +(foo) -- for instance, Lone Star Patrol's 1Y: +1/+1 -- is pumpable;
you can pay as often as you like.

However, there are some cards that read Y: (foo) -- the Crawler Patrol
Drone, Stiletto, Viper, and so many others. These only grant the
'basic' ability. If the Crawler could recon many times at once, it
would read: 2Y: +1 Recon.

And, um, I don't know if you caught it, but I had said on the list -
when I raised the exact same question - that I was forwarding it to
FASA. Might've been nice to wait for me to post an answer (although I
only just received it) before asking them, just to keep down the
duplications. That is what the list's for, y'know.


-Matt
Message no. 5
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Strange 'Crawler' ruling from FASA
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:22:01 -0700
> > <<Can you pump the Crawler drone multiple times so that it can get a
> recon greater than one (for instance can you pay 4Y and give it a recon of two)?

> > No.

> My understanding on this is that the drone must be turned to recon
> (just as a runner would, RBT page 30). Since you pay the 2Y and turn
> the drone to recon, you can't really do it a second time in the same
> turn. <shrug>

Ah! But - same page - "A Runner with Recon may perform a number of
Recons equal to his Recon rating. For example, a Runner with Recon 2
may perform two Recons (look at two Challenges) per turn."

I imagine you turn the Runner and then look at two Challenges, rather
than turn and look, turn and look.

This sentence is what sparked my question about the Crawler in the first
place. I notice, however, that it doesn't say Drones, only Runners...


-Matt
Message no. 6
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Strange 'Crawler' ruling from FASA
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:49:13 -0700
---Matb wrote:
>
> > My understanding on this is that the drone must be turned to recon
> > (just as a runner would, RBT page 30). Since you pay the 2Y and
turn
> > the drone to recon, you can't really do it a second time in the
same
> > turn. <shrug>
>
> Ah! But - same page - "A Runner with Recon may perform a number of
> Recons equal to his Recon rating. For example, a Runner with Recon 2
> may perform two Recons (look at two Challenges) per turn."

Ah! but as you also pointed out in another post. The Crawler's special
is 2Y: Recon until end of turn, and not a pumpable 2Y: +1 Recon until
end of turn. Thus my comment that you pay 2Y and Recon only a single
card. Since it can't be given Recon of 2 or 3 , to Recon another
Challenge would require turning the Drone a second time, which you
can't do. ;o)

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Message no. 7
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Strange 'Crawler' ruling from FASA
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:58:53 -0700
> > > My understanding on this is that the drone must be turned to recon
> > > (just as a runner would, RBT page 30). Since you pay the 2Y and
> turn the drone to recon, you can't really do it a second time in the
> same turn. <shrug>

> > Ah! But - same page - "A Runner with Recon may perform a number of
> > Recons equal to his Recon rating. For example, a Runner with Recon 2
> > may perform two Recons (look at two Challenges) per turn."

> Ah! but as you also pointed out in another post. The Crawler's special
> is 2Y: Recon until end of turn, and not a pumpable 2Y: +1 Recon until
> end of turn. Thus my comment that you pay 2Y and Recon only a single
> card. Since it can't be given Recon of 2 or 3 , to Recon another
> Challenge would require turning the Drone a second time, which you
> can't do. ;o)

Ah!

Sorry. Had to do that.

You're correct. We're correct. The drone can't do that. As a matter
of fact, since there isn't anyone out there (that I know of - not even
Tiny) who has Recon-2, or can gain another level in Recon, I assume the
statement was put there as a teaser for a future expansion.

And I originally misinterpreted what you were saying as, even *if* the
drone had Recon-2, you'd have to magically turn it twice. My bad.
Apologies. I'm sorry. Forgive me. I'll never make the same mistake
again. I promise. Just don't be mad.


-Matb
Message no. 8
From: "(No Name Available)" <mothman@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Strange 'Crawler' ruling from FASA
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:09:56 -0600
Rob Harris wrote:
>
> This is just really strange. They SAY that everything with the pumpable notation can
be used multiple times a turn, but there is SO MANY things that can't be (Crawler Drone,
Bam-Bam, burst weapons, etc....). Well, here's the email.<<


It's not strange. A cost notation is not a pumpable notation and the
Crawler, Bam Bam, etc. aren't pumpable. Pumpable notation is:

X¥: +X/+X

It's not just any ability with a cost!

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