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Message no. 1
From: Leif Johnson <Paladine@*****.NET>
Subject: swiss-army deck
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:28:47 -0500
okay...here's my current deck...its the swiss army deck....its does a
lot of stuff, but nothing specifically good...any constructive critisism
or comments would be most appreciatiated...

the deck 75/6

Runners (21)

Jade x2
Static x1
Ice Queen x1
Caesar x1
Fastjack x1
Kromagnus x2
Thrash x4
Lord Torgo x1
Knuckles x1
Cherry Bomb x1
Tin Man x1
Nightshade x1
Stiletto x1
Clutch x1
Tempest x1
Scorpio x1

Gear (10)

Heavy Armor (full) x2
Doc Wagon Platinum x2
Lucky Wabbit's Foot x2
Dermal Plating x2
Muscle Replacement x2

Contacts (3)

Squatter x1
Mr. Johnson x1
Elven Hitman x1

Locations (3)

Iron Lung x2
Fuchi Industries x1

Specials (13)

Wild Goose Chase x2
Blindsided x2
Deja Vu x3
Luck O' the Irish x3
False Mentor x1
Abducted x1
Nerps! x1

Challenges (25)
(one of each)
Hellhound
Security Consultant
Chomps-2000
Maglocks
Killer Drone
Mine Field
Pressure Plates
Booby Trap
Double Jeopardy
Gut Check
Steppin' Wulf Ambush
Guardian Dracoform
Elite Security Mage
Mage Strike Force
Manticore
The Big Chase
Fusion Gate
Hunting Gargoyle
Yakuza Assasin
Nets
Yakuza Hit Squad
Incubus
Highway Showdown
Lone Star Beat Cops
Motion Detectors

Objectives (6)

Dragon Hunt x1
Dunkelzahn's Black Book x1
Room 5b78 x1
Impossible Mission x1
Amazonian Hunt x1
Sucker Run x1

well...there it is...as you can see from the runners...i can sleaze
ANYTHING except highway showdown (2 gunnery) but i'm not too worried
about it with the two guard...i can also beat my way through anything,
and i have plenty of recon...Fuchi is more for added nuyen...but i have
won with it before...as well, i have also successfully killed off a
Squaaark! and a Torgo with Tempest/Jade combo...
again...any comments are welcome

tks,
Leif
Message no. 2
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: swiss-army deck
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:22:43 EDT
In a message dated 98-09-21 23:58:05 EDT, you write:

<< again...any comments are welcome >>
seems like a real solid deck leif...i played against you so i know what your
decks a capable of....but one thing..do you ever run into the problem of
having too many challenges in your hand at one time??


brakiss
Message no. 3
From: Teos Abadia <tabadia@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Swiss-army deck
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:15:35 -0400
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leif Johnson [SMTP:Paladine@*****.NET]
>
> okay...here's my current deck...its the swiss army deck....its does a
> lot of stuff, but nothing specifically good...any constructive critisism
> or comments would be most appreciatiated...
>
> the deck 75/6
>
Well, if you had to take out 15 cards, which would you choose? That's the
best way to think of how to improve the deck. Play some test games, and see
what aspects of the deck improve. If you can get the same Swiss-army tactic
with fewer cards, then that would be even better, as you increase your
chances of getting what you really need. Sure, you have the skills to
sleaze everything, but you won't get all the runners, you will only get
maybe 8-10 of them in a game!

> Runners (21)
>
> Jade x2
> Static x1
> Ice Queen x1
> Caesar x1
> Fastjack x1
> Kromagnus x2
> Thrash x4
> Lord Torgo x1
> Knuckles x1
> Cherry Bomb x1
> Tin Man x1
> Nightshade x1
> Stiletto x1
> Clutch x1
> Tempest x1
> Scorpio x1
Of these, i would consider removing some of the weaker ones that you put in
for sleazing, but which have limited applicability. Go for max sleaze
benefit on their own or in probable combinations, not for creating a perfect
mosaic of skills. So, Tempest is excellent, as is Scorpio or Drake.
Choosing a runner like Nightshade... IMHO no.
I might drop Kromagnus, Tin man, Clutch for starters.


> Gear (10)
>
> Heavy Armor (full) x2
> Doc Wagon Platinum x2
> Lucky Wabbit's Foot x2
> Dermal Plating x2
> Muscle Replacement x2
>
Wow! That's expensive! if you end up with Torgo, Doc Wagon, Fastjack, and
a few specials in your first draw, you aren't moving anywhere for a while!
if you want gear this expensive I would suggest adding some enabler, like
more Fame, or Shady Manager, or Inferno, or mafia/Sisko and Black Market.
With such a large deck, these 10 expensive cards could really fill up your
hand. I would remove the heavy Armor and one Lucky Wabbit.

> Contacts (3)
>
> Squatter x1
> Mr. Johnson x1
> Elven Hitman x1
>
Mr. johnson I have never believed in. Personal choice. Squatter is going to
be terribly expensive with your gear and some of your runners, but if you
really want to have sleaze, it can be crucial. But so expensive! Better to
not have a deck that so critically requires that you dig back into your
trash.

> Locations (3)
>
> Iron Lung x2
> Fuchi Industries x1
>
Dante's Inferno can help here for Nuyen. Otherwise, add another Fuchi.

> Specials (13)
>
> Wild Goose Chase x2
> Blindsided x2
> Deja Vu x3
> Luck O' the Irish x3
> False Mentor x1
> Abducted x1
> Nerps! x1
>
I would remove the blindsided and Abducted.

> Challenges (25)
> (one of each)
> Hellhound
> Security Consultant
> Chomps-2000
> Maglocks
> Killer Drone
> Mine Field
> Pressure Plates
> Booby Trap
> Double Jeopardy
> Gut Check
> Steppin' Wulf Ambush
> Guardian Dracoform
> Elite Security Mage
> Mage Strike Force
> Manticore
> The Big Chase
> Fusion Gate
> Hunting Gargoyle
> Yakuza Assasin
> Nets
> Yakuza Hit Squad
> Incubus
> Highway Showdown
> Lone Star Beat Cops
> Motion Detectors
>
If you reduce your deck size, I would remove 3 of these challenges.

> Objectives (6)
>
> Dragon Hunt x1
> Dunkelzahn's Black Book x1
> Room 5b78 x1
> Impossible Mission x1
> Amazonian Hunt x1
> Sucker Run x1
>
My experience is that Impossible Mission is hard to plan for unless it is
part of your overall strategy. Fastjack makes it nice, but often it is more
neutral or a hindrance than a gain, unless you have a deck built for it, in
which case you should have four of them in your deck.

I would otherwise think about another Dunkelzahn's if you add another
Tempest. The leadership could happen. In fact, if you added 3 Dunks and
kept your challenges, kept the Dragon Hunt and the Room 5b78 and added 3
sucker Runs, you might have a nice challenge-objective concept. Strip the
enemies challenges, then play tons on your mission.

Hope that helps,

Teos.

Teos Abadia
Senior EHS Consultant
Enterprism Solutions
tabadia@*******************.com

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