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Message no. 1
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Terminology question
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:03:05 +0200
A player here claims that "just played" was the same as "last played".
Thereby he claims he can counter a card already in play with a card that
cancels the effect of a "just played" card. This goes to the extent that
in his opinion, he could play False Mentor to earn Reputation from an
Objective that has been taken turns before. I know he is wrong, but he
will only be convinced by official rulings. Do any of You have explicit
official word on this?
The same guy also claims that Luck of the Irish only counts as played
after the die roll has been done, on the account that without its
effect, LotI wouldnīt exist. Sounds metaphysical, but IMHO is only
ridiculous. By his opinion, two LotI could be played against the same
Stinger without one cancelling the other. I need official word on this
also.
Olaf has played against him lately, so Olaf might have additions to
this.

Thanks, Felix
Message no. 2
From: "Bourgault, Patrick" <pbourgau@***.CA>
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:02:00 PDT
A player here claims that "just played" was the same as "last played".
Thereby he claims he can counter a card already in play with a card that
cancels the effect of a "just played" card. This goes to the extent that
in his opinion, he could play False Mentor to earn Reputation from an
Objective that has been taken turns before. I know he is wrong, but he
will only be convinced by official rulings. Do any of You have explicit
official word on this?


The card says "You receive Reputation JUST EARNED by target player.". In
my book, that means you play that card ONLY on the turn when the TP
successfully take the Objective.

This card is powerful enough already. I can't count how many games I'd
lost because of that card...


The same guy also claims that Luck of the Irish only counts as played
after the die roll has been done, on the account that without its
effect, LotI wouldn?t exist. Sounds metaphysical, but IMHO is only
ridiculous. By his opinion, two LotI could be played against the same
Stinger without one cancelling the other. I need official word on this
also.
Olaf has played against him lately, so Olaf might have additions to
this.


LOTI can be played to eliminated a special card currently in play. If
you play a Special card, your oponent can put a LOTI on it. If the LOTI
doesn't work, he can put another on it till he succeeds or runs out of
LOTI. LOTI must also be played *before* any die roll. So yes, you can
put a LOTI on a LOTI. First you roll the die to eliminate the first
LOTI. If it fails, you than roll the die of the first LOTI to eliminate
the Special card in play.

Thanks, Felix

Hope this will help.
Message no. 3
From: Olaf Kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:47:14 +0200
Felix Hoefert schrieb:
> A player here claims that "just played" was the same as "last
played".
> Thereby he claims he can counter a card already in play with a card that
> cancels the effect of a "just played" card. This goes to the extent that
> in his opinion, he could play False Mentor to earn Reputation from an
> Objective that has been taken turns before. I know he is wrong, but he
> will only be convinced by official rulings. Do any of You have explicit
> official word on this?
> The same guy also claims that Luck of the Irish only counts as played
> after the die roll has been done, on the account that without its
> effect, LotI wouldnīt exist. Sounds metaphysical, but IMHO is only
> ridiculous. By his opinion, two LotI could be played against the same
> Stinger without one cancelling the other. I need official word on this
> also.
> Olaf has played against him lately, so Olaf might have additions to
> this.
>
> Thanks, Felix

Thats right, and there is no fun in playing against his deck(no Big Guy).
But thats not the Question.He also says he can use Fuchi in his Legwork phase,
i think instead of a run means only in the Shadowrun phase.

OLAF
Message no. 4
From: Brett Francis <slq0m@**.USU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:26:51 -0600
Felix Hoefert wrote:
> =

> A player here claims that "just played" was the same as "last
played".
> Thereby he claims he can counter a card already in play with a card tha=
t
> cancels the effect of a "just played" card. This goes to the extent tha=
t
> in his opinion, he could play False Mentor to earn Reputation from an
> Objective that has been taken turns before. I know he is wrong, but he
> will only be convinced by official rulings. Do any of You have explicit=

> official word on this?
> The same guy also claims that Luck of the Irish only counts as played
> after the die roll has been done, on the account that without its
> effect, LotI wouldn´t exist. Sounds metaphysical, but IMHO is only
> ridiculous. By his opinion, two LotI could be played against the same
> Stinger without one cancelling the other. I need official word on this
> also.
> Olaf has played against him lately, so Olaf might have additions to
> this.
> =

> Thanks, Felix
I don't know about any official ruling, but next time he plays a stinger
on you that kills one of your guys (barfight, wanted, drive-by, etc)
wait a turn until that dead runner would do you a lot of good and then
LotI the stinger that got you. Bring the runner back from the dead with
all his gear intact. Better yet, if he played wanted, get your runner
back while he loses rep. See how he likes playing against his own
twisted rules.

Brett
Message no. 5
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:23:48 +0200
Bourgault, Patrick wrote:
> LOTI can be played to eliminated a special card currently in play. If
> you play a Special card, your oponent can put a LOTI on it. If the LOTI
> doesn't work, he can put another on it till he succeeds or runs out of
> LOTI. LOTI must also be played *before* any die roll. So yes, you can
> put a LOTI on a LOTI. First you roll the die to eliminate the first
> LOTI. If it fails, you than roll the die of the first LOTI to eliminate
> the Special card in play.
>
I was referring to Stingers with the LotI part. Since they appear in
play only for a moment, I assume a second LotI would either affect the
first one (from the same player, possibly), or couldnīt be played
against the Stinger. This is the way weīve always played, but this other
player, a quite experienced one, says otherwise. I must add he isnīt
very virm in English and may thereby miss the difference of "just" and
"last". ---Felix
Message no. 6
From: Gunnar Lundquist <OneWay919@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:32:03 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-31 08:05:40 EDT, you write:

<<
LOTI can be played to eliminated a special card currently in play. If
you play a Special card, your oponent can put a LOTI on it. If the LOTI
doesn't work, he can put another on it till he succeeds or runs out of
LOTI. LOTI must also be played *before* any die roll. So yes, you can
put a LOTI on a LOTI. First you roll the die to eliminate the first
LOTI. If it fails, you than roll the die of the first LOTI to eliminate
the Special card in play. >>

Sorry this is incorrect the phrase is "Just Played" and once the first LOTI is
played it becomes the last "just played" card. I also believe I saw something
on the list recently about this very subject and it was stated that only one
can be played by a single player...but I was wondering if I could play my LOTI
on someones LOTI to stop them from stopping my special...does that make
sense...and If I'm incorrect in my statment above ....sorry, I'm old and
senile

Gunnar
OneWay919@***.com
Message no. 7
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:32:07 +0200
Gunnar Lundquist wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-31 08:05:40 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> LOTI can be played to eliminated a special card currently in play. If
> you play a Special card, your oponent can put a LOTI on it. If the LOTI
> doesn't work, he can put another on it till he succeeds or runs out of
> LOTI. LOTI must also be played *before* any die roll. So yes, you can
> put a LOTI on a LOTI. First you roll the die to eliminate the first
> LOTI. If it fails, you than roll the die of the first LOTI to eliminate
> the Special card in play. >>
>
> Sorry this is incorrect the phrase is "Just Played" and once the first LOTI
is
> played it becomes the last "just played" card. I also believe I saw
something
> on the list recently about this very subject and it was stated that only one
> can be played by a single player...but I was wondering if I could play my LOTI
> on someones LOTI to stop them from stopping my special...does that make
> sense...and If I'm incorrect in my statment above ....sorry, I'm old and
> senile

I think the first message meant to say that. Yes, you can play a LotI on
someone elseīs LotI to prevent it from deleting your special/stinger
(big breath). ---Felix
Message no. 8
From: Olaf Kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:04:33 +0200
Felix Hoefert schrieb:
> Gunnar Lundquist wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 98-07-31 08:05:40 EDT, you write:
> >
> > <<
> > LOTI can be played to eliminated a special card currently in play. If
> > you play a Special card, your oponent can put a LOTI on it. If the LOTI
> > doesn't work, he can put another on it till he succeeds or runs out of
> > LOTI. LOTI must also be played *before* any die roll. So yes, you can
> > put a LOTI on a LOTI. First you roll the die to eliminate the first
> > LOTI. If it fails, you than roll the die of the first LOTI to eliminate
> > the Special card in play. >>
> >
> > Sorry this is incorrect the phrase is "Just Played" and once the first
LOTI
> is
> > played it becomes the last "just played" card. I also believe I saw
> something
> > on the list recently about this very subject and it was stated that only one
> > can be played by a single player...but I was wondering if I could play my
> LOTI
> > on someones LOTI to stop them from stopping my special...does that make
> > sense...and If I'm incorrect in my statment above ....sorry, I'm old and
> > senile
>
> I think the first message meant to say that. Yes, you can play a LotI on
> someone elseīs LotI to prevent it from deleting your special/stinger
> (big breath). ---Felix

Think so too.But he says further that you can play a LotI on a Special and if it
dosn`t work he can play the next LotI on the same Special.And that`s wrong,or not
?

OLAF
Message no. 9
From: Olaf Kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:04:34 +0200
> >
> I was referring to Stingers with the LotI part. Since they appear in
> play only for a moment, I assume a second LotI would either affect the
> first one (from the same player, possibly), or couldnīt be played
> against the Stinger. This is the way weīve always played, but this other
> player, a quite experienced one, says otherwise. I must add he isnīt
> very virm in English and may thereby miss the difference of "just" and
> "last". ---Felix

Thats right, and he have sayd:"I have ask FASA and they have tell me to do so,
because they(FASA) mean a LotI that not work dit not count as playd".

OLAF
Message no. 10
From: Brett Francis <slq0m@**.USU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:36:23 -0600
Olaf Kramer wrote:
> Think so too.But he says further that you can play a LotI on a Special and if it
> dosn`t work he can play the next LotI on the same Special.And that`s wrong,or not
> ?
>
> OLAF
As far as I understand it, this is true. LotI says trash either a
special card just played or one already in play. As long as the special
is in play it can be targeted by LotI. Since stingers come into play
and then are gone, I believe LotI can only be played immediately after
the stinger was played, and only one LotI can be played per stinger. A
second Loti would have to target the first LotI.

Just my thoughts,
Brett
Message no. 11
From: Olaf Kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 23:47:06 +0200
> As far as I understand it, this is true. LotI says trash either a
> special card just played or one already in play. As long as the special
> is in play it can be targeted by LotI. Since stingers come into play
> and then are gone, I believe LotI can only be played immediately after
> the stinger was played, and only one LotI can be played per stinger. A
> second Loti would have to target the first LotI.
>
> Just my thoughts,
> Brett

I think so too,but he mean that the first LotI do not count(he mean it`s like
never been playd).I hope FASA say somethink to that, because he told me FASA say
thats right.

OLAF

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