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Message no. 1
From: "a . a" <alphirius@****.COM>
Subject: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:27:36 EDT
The other night a friend and I were debating the merits of the different
cards and tried coming up with a top ten card list. His and mine varied
so greatly both of us were surprised..... The only 2 cards we agreed
upon was Ice Queen and Sticky Fingers.... This lead me to wonder, what
do most of you consider to be the top 10 cards in the game.

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Message no. 2
From: Joshua Cho <YuHyunCho@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:51:37 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-22 14:28:05 EDT, you write:

> The other night a friend and I were debating the merits of the different
> cards and tried coming up with a top ten card list. His and mine varied
> so greatly both of us were surprised..... The only 2 cards we agreed
> upon was Ice Queen and Sticky Fingers.... This lead me to wonder, what
> do most of you consider to be the top 10 cards in the game.
>

hmm.. what were your results?

jc
Message no. 3
From: ">>>>> Axlrose - ... <<<<<" <axlrose@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:30:04 -0400
At 02:27 PM 8/22/98 EDT, a.a. wrote:
>The other night a friend and I were debating the merits of the different
cards and >tried coming up with a top ten card list. His and mine varied
so greatly both of us >were surprised..... The only 2 cards we agreed
upon was Ice Queen and Sticky >Fingers.... This lead me to wonder, what do
most of you consider to be the top 10 >cards in the game.

You mentioned "merits"... what do you classify as such?

The top 10 cards of worthy praise that :
- deserve to be hung on the walls as art?
- defensively can withstand any attack?
- offensively deadly to nearly any challenge?
- would fetch the highest price if sold on the market?
- have the ability to steal nuyen?
- all of the above?
- none of the above?
- some of the above?

Of course, I won't ask if the cards have to be officially released or could
we also use some of the card ideas that were posted here before - there
have been many, including a boatload of Matt's Amerindian ideas, that would
be worthy of praise.

Of course I am being a pain...
>>>>>Axlrose - *thinks a site should exist consisting of player's card
ideas...<<<<<

(Unless one exists and I don't know about it, save for Matt's on his page.)
Message no. 4
From: "a . a" <alphirius@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:29:50 EDT
On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:51:37 EDT Joshua Cho <YuHyunCho@***.COM> writes:
>In a message dated 98-08-22 14:28:05 EDT, you write:
>
>> The other night a friend and I were debating the merits of the
>different
>> cards and tried coming up with a top ten card list. His and mine
>varied
>> so greatly both of us were surprised..... The only 2 cards we
>agreed
>> upon was Ice Queen and Sticky Fingers.... This lead me to wonder,
>what
>> do most of you consider to be the top 10 cards in the game.
>>
>
>hmm.. what were your results?
>
>jc
>
My results were such:

1. Squatter
2. Dodger
3. Ice Queen
4. Sticky FIngers
5. Maglock Passkey
6. Archie McDevan
7. Fuchi Industries
8. Doomsday Device
9. Flatline
10. Jade

of course, this takes into place my style of play, and my favorites.....

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Message no. 5
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:20:43 +0200
a . a wrote:
[snip]
> My results were such:
>
> 1. Squatter
> 2. Dodger
> 3. Ice Queen
> 4. Sticky FIngers
> 5. Maglock Passkey
> 6. Archie McDevan
> 7. Fuchi Industries
> 8. Doomsday Device
> 9. Flatline
> 10. Jade
>
> of course, this takes into place my style of play, and my favorites.....

In the German Championships, these were probably the top 10 mostly
effective cards (in no definite order):
1. Skwrark
2. Urban Brawl
3. Stomper
4. Katana
5. Hand Razors
6. Thrash
7. Wake the Dead
8. Wild Goose Chase (They needed 3 of them to keep me from my Rep)
9. Green Apple Quicksteps
10. Ares Predator

About all players reaching the duel tourney rounds had at least 2 Urban
Brawls, and about all players except the Berliners relied on Skwrark.
They each had at least 2 Skwrarks in their decks. I wish Iīd brought my
Unstable Allys... ---Felix
Message no. 6
From: Noah Overton <Puckstpr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:33:52 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-23 11:30:19 EDT, you write:

> In the German Championships, these were probably the top 10 mostly
> effective cards (in no definite order):
> 1. Skwrark
> 2. Urban Brawl
> 3. Stomper
> 4. Katana
> 5. Hand Razors
> 6. Thrash
> 7. Wake the Dead
> 8. Wild Goose Chase (They needed 3 of them to keep me from my Rep)
> 9. Green Apple Quicksteps
> 10. Ares Predator
>
> About all players reaching the duel tourney rounds had at least 2 Urban
> Brawls, and about all players except the Berliners relied on Skwrark.
> They each had at least 2 Skwrarks in their decks. I wish Iīd brought my
> Unstable Allys... ---Felix

sounds like there aint much thought put into deck building there.
if all you see is big bully decks. thats a easy and quick way to kill the fun
out of the game.

words from the puck
Message no. 7
From: Olaf kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:35:32 +0200
Noah Overton schrieb:

> >
> > About all players reaching the duel tourney rounds had at least 2 Urban
> > Brawls, and about all players except the Berliners relied on Skwrark.
> > They each had at least 2 Skwrarks in their decks. I wish Iīd brought my
> > Unstable Allys... ---Felix
>
> sounds like there aint much thought put into deck building there.
> if all you see is big bully decks. thats a easy and quick way to kill the fun
> out of the game.
>
> words from the puck

The Problem of the most German people is that they play to win.I play my Bully
Deck to,because I don`t want to pay over 200 Mark to go there without a good
chance of winning the Tournament.On the other side I will play Fun Decks against
the people on the little Tournaments in Berlin.

OLAF
Message no. 8
From: Noah Overton <Puckstpr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:54:00 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-24 00:36:24 EDT, you write:

> > sounds like there aint much thought put into deck building there.
> > if all you see is big bully decks. thats a easy and quick way to kill the
> fun
> > out of the game.
> >
> > words from the puck
>
> The Problem of the most German people is that they play to win.I play my
> Bully
> Deck to,because I don`t want to pay over 200 Mark to go there without a
good
> chance of winning the Tournament.On the other side I will play Fun Decks
> against
> the people on the little Tournaments in Berlin.
>
> OLAF

sorry that it has to be that way.

words from the puck
Message no. 9
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 01:54:27 EDT
In a message dated 8/23/98 10:34:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Puckstpr@***.COM
writes:

> sounds like there aint much thought put into deck building there.
> if all you see is big bully decks. thats a easy and quick way to kill the
> fun
> out of the game.
>
> words from the puck
>
i have to agree...hopefully the newsletter will give people more ideas on deck
building...hmmm still lokking for someone to cover my deck building 101
sections....any takers?? have your submission in by wednesday...


brak da yak
Message no. 10
From: Apone <mpcheval@********.FR>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:20:01 +0200
Noah Overton wrote:

> In a message dated 98-08-23 11:30:19 EDT, you write:
> <SNIP>
> >
> > About all players reaching the duel tourney rounds had at least 2 Urban
> > Brawls, and about all players except the Berliners relied on Skwrark.
> > They each had at least 2 Skwrarks in their decks. I wish Iīd brought my
> > Unstable Allys... ---Felix
>
> sounds like there aint much thought put into deck building there.
> if all you see is big bully decks. thats a easy and quick way to kill the fun
> out of the game.

Hey, that's only the difference between competition and a cool saturday
afternoon with friends.
You don't build a deck the same way when you want some fun or when you want to
crush everybody.
I guess that this dichotomy can be found in every sports. At some point, you need
to give up part of the fun for efficiency if you want the results.

Well, it's only my HO on the subject..

so long
Apone

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Message no. 11
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:04:05 PDT
Hi,

>>a . a wrote:
>>[snip]
>> My results were such:
>>
>> 1. Squatter
>> 2. Dodger
>> 3. Ice Queen
>> 4. Sticky FIngers
>> 5. Maglock Passkey
>> 6. Archie McDevan
>> 7. Fuchi Industries
>> 8. Doomsday Device
>> 9. Flatline
>> 10. Jade
>>
>> of course, this takes into place my style of play, and my >>
favorites.....

Having built many types of decks... Mage and decker decks being the most
fun to play IMO. There are several cards that find their way into all
the decks I play, regardless of the theme. These I would consider the
top ten most vesitile (can go in any deck and be effective).

1 - Maglocks
2 - Thrash
3 - Mage Strike Force
4 - Guardian Dracoform
5 - Luck Of The Irish
6 - DejaVu
7 - Chomps 2000
8 - Tactics:Scatter
9 - Nerps!
10 - The Iron Lung

Cards that I wouldn't mind having hung on my wall...
(were talkin art here)

1 - FireBall
2 - Owl Totem
3 - DoomsDay Device
4 - Dunkelzens Black Book
5 - Ares Preditor
6 - Vindicator Minigun
7 - SkillSoft - Gunnery
8 - TinkerBell
9 - The Big Rig
10 - Swarm of Drones

(I have reasons for each :)

And just one more list... the best flavor text.
(no real order)

1 - Swarm of Drones - Ahhh Ahh... get em off me... ahh
2 - CanonBall - Come down here and say that.
3 - Wild Goose Chase - You wanna check that address again.
4 - Armor Spell - Once again the mage has to save your butt.
5 - Booby Trap - Hey someone left their briefca....
6 - Glitz - I'd sold my soul to the devil for rock-n-roll, But fuchi
offer more.
7 - Vindiacator Minigun - One pull of the trigger... everything dies.
8 - ork shaman - The dead will teach me more than the living ever
will.
9 - GoreTusk - I crap things bigger than you.
10 - Chomps 2000 - Guard dog like hell, more like guard demon.


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*** - Tao ***

Jayden Stormwalker
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Message no. 12
From: Adam Lewis <adamswork@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:09:19 -0700
---Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM> wrote:

> Cards that I wouldn't mind having hung on my wall...
> (were talkin art here)

*snip*

Being new to CCGs this may already be a popular idea, but I at GenCon
I saw some T-shirts that had large pictures of Magic cards on the
front. Pretty cool.

I don't know if a T-Shirt shop could do something like that for you
just from a regualr sized card, I'm certain it's not legal (those
pesky copyright laws)but it may be possible.

I'd be interested to know hat are some things people have done to
enlarge the art from cards for display?




==
AdamL

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Message no. 13
From: Noah Overton <NOAH_OVERTON@*************.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:34:28 -0700
>>I'd be interested to know hat are some things people have done to
enlarge the art from cards for display?>>>

i scanned a couple of cards and used them as screen shots. the lone
star K-9 unit looks cool as snot.

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Date: 8/24/98 9:09 AM


---Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM> wrote:

> Cards that I wouldn't mind having hung on my wall...
> (were talkin art here)

*snip*

Being new to CCGs this may already be a popular idea, but I at GenCon
I saw some T-shirts that had large pictures of Magic cards on the
front. Pretty cool.

I don't know if a T-Shirt shop could do something like that for you
just from a regualr sized card, I'm certain it's not legal (those
pesky copyright laws)but it may be possible.

I'd be interested to know hat are some things people have done to
enlarge the art from cards for display?




==
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Message no. 14
From: "(Ryan Smith)" <SnakeIzBac@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:53:08 EDT
In a message dated 8/24/98 12:05:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jayden63@*******.COM writes:

<<
1 - Maglocks
2 - Thrash
3 - Mage Strike Force
4 - Guardian Dracoform
5 - Luck Of The Irish
6 - DejaVu
7 - Chomps 2000
8 - Tactics:Scatter
9 - Nerps!
10 - The Iron Lung >>



All of the Elemental Cards are the WORSE Pieces of Craps in the game. HOW can
you say Dracoform is a top card when it GIVES your OPONNENT Rep???

I used to use them but when i realized they kept getting their asses kicked
in, i stopped using them. Also, they ain't that tough. Two runners can kick
it's ass in.
Message no. 15
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:04:55 PDT
Hoi,

>jayden63@*******.COM writes:
>
><<
> 1 - Maglocks
> 2 - Thrash
> 3 - Mage Strike Force
> 4 - Guardian Dracoform
> 5 - Luck Of The Irish
> 6 - DejaVu
> 7 - Chomps 2000
> 8 - Tactics:Scatter
> 9 - Nerps!
> 10 - The Iron Lung >>
>
>
>
>All of the Elemental Cards are the WORSE Pieces of Craps in the game.
>HOW can you say Dracoform is a top card when it GIVES your OPONNENT
>Rep???
>
>I used to use them but when i realized they kept getting their asses
>kicked in, i stopped using them. Also, they ain't that tough. Two
>runners can kick it's ass in.
>

Humm...

A - No one in my gaming circle plays with bully decks... so it can be
a little tough...
B - it almost always shows up on an opperation cottonmouth or
crossfire objective. 14/12 (A4).. really bytes.
c - If they beat it up... the run usually ends... no bullies makes it
kinda hard to soak the damage and live.
D - If it gets put to sleep or invisability was used, the running team
doesn't get any rep from it (house rule)... so its useful in my
neiborhood.

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*** - Tao ***

Jayden Stormwalker
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Message no. 16
From: Sorrow <sorrow@*******.ORG>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:08:21 -0500
>D - If it gets put to sleep or invisability was used, the running team
>doesn't get any rep from it (house rule)... so its useful in my
>neiborhood.

You don't get rep for sleazing it anyway.
You only get rep for defeating it in combat, by card text.

Sorrow
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Message no. 17
From: "a . a" <alphirius@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:12:25 EDT
On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:53:08 EDT "(Ryan Smith)" <SnakeIzBac@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 8/24/98 12:05:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>jayden63@*******.COM writes:
>
><<

> 4 - Guardian Dracoform

>
>
>All of the Elemental Cards are the WORSE Pieces of Craps in the game.
>HOW can
>you say Dracoform is a top card when it GIVES your OPONNENT Rep???
>
>I used to use them but when i realized they kept getting their asses
>kicked
>in, i stopped using them. Also, they ain't that tough. Two runners
>can kick
>it's ass in.
>
Wow, that's a rather broad generalization, based off of your playing
style..... Myself.... I've always found that a guardian Draco is a
great way to prevent a run period. Most folks I play with just kind of
freeze up, and fear going against the run..... Of Course, we all tend
to use, Mage/Shaman/Decker decks..... and No Trog's..... so it's a bit
harder to run against..... Besides..... If it's the first challenge
in the stack..... It sets off the alarm..... the running team can
continue, and fight everything following, or pull out..... in which
cowards is always an option..... 'course, my favorite plan is to play
it on crossfire..... and pump it up even more..... Point is, 1.) It
doesn't really matter if by defeating it, someone gains rep..... if it
hurst them enough to delay them... so be it..... and more
importantly.... 2.) If the card fits the style of game play amongst
your group, and goes to your advantage..... play it and enjoy.

alphirius

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Message no. 18
From: Olaf kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:36:51 +0200
Donald Arganbright schrieb:

> >
>Snip<
> >All of the Elemental Cards are the WORSE Pieces of Craps in the game.
> >HOW can you say Dracoform is a top card when it GIVES your OPONNENT
> >Rep???
> >
> >I used to use them but when i realized they kept getting their asses
> >kicked in, i stopped using them. Also, they ain't that tough. Two
> >runners can kick it's ass in.
> >
>
> Humm...
>
> A - No one in my gaming circle plays with bully decks... so it can be
> a little tough...
> B - it almost always shows up on an opperation cottonmouth or
> crossfire objective. 14/12 (A4).. really bytes.
> c - If they beat it up... the run usually ends... no bullies makes it
> kinda hard to soak the damage and live.
> D - If it gets put to sleep or invisability was used, the running team
> doesn't get any rep from it (house rule)... so its useful in my
> neiborhood.
>
> *** Knife Sharpens on Stone... Man Sharpens on Man ***
> *** - Tao ***
>
> Jayden Stormwalker
> Donald Arganbright
>
>
> A: Be lucky about that
B: Try a Integrated Control Center and a Custom System(let him run blind in the
Dragons Mouth)
c: Using aHeavy Armor (Full) and Tactics: Converge let them life.
D. Not only Houserule, german Card say you must kill it in a Fight to get the
Rep.

OLAF
Message no. 19
From: Olaf kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:36:51 +0200
Adam Lewis schrieb:
>Snip<
> I'd be interested to know hat are some things people have done to
> enlarge the art from cards for display?
>
>
>
>
> ==
> AdamL
>
> "One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor."
>
>
>TEQUILA? ME TO!!!!

Ok, I have make it in a Copy Chop.Just take a Card and make a Copy 400-500%
larger
Message no. 20
From: "(Ryan Smith)" <SnakeIzBac@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:24:46 EDT
In a message dated 8/24/98 1:05:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jayden63@*******.COM writes:

<<
Humm...

A - No one in my gaming circle plays with bully decks... so it can be
a little tough...
B - it almost always shows up on an opperation cottonmouth or
crossfire objective. 14/12 (A4).. really bytes.
c - If they beat it up... the run usually ends... no bullies makes it
kinda hard to soak the damage and live.
D - If it gets put to sleep or invisability was used, the running team
doesn't get any rep from it (house rule)... so its useful in my
neiborhood.
>>

Even with your modified rules you have here, i still think fire
elemental,dracoform, and earth elemental are bad cards. Anything that gives
my opononet free *EASY* rep like that is a waste of time.
Message no. 21
From: Noah Overton <NOAH_OVERTON@*************.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:38:52 -0700
<<
Humm...

A - No one in my gaming circle plays with bully decks... so it can be
a little tough...
B - it almost always shows up on an opperation cottonmouth or
crossfire objective. 14/12 (A4).. really bytes.
c - If they beat it up... the run usually ends... no bullies makes it
kinda hard to soak the damage and live.
D - If it gets put to sleep or invisability was used, the running team
doesn't get any rep from it (house rule)... so its useful in my
neiborhood.
>>

Even with your modified rules you have here, i still think fire
elemental,dracoform, and earth elemental are bad cards. Anything that
gives my opononet free *EASY* rep like that is a waste of time.

>>>>>
it aint always *EASY* all you need is so well used specials, like QAC
his muscle, or whooppss the meele off the katana. or leats look at
some good combos to use with it. Double jeapordy two dragons know that
got to hurt. or maybe a minefield in front of it, fusion gate. they
may give the player some rep, but there is a cost.

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Date: 8/24/98 11:24 AM


In a message dated 8/24/98 1:05:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jayden63@*******.COM writes:

<<
Humm...

A - No one in my gaming circle plays with bully decks... so it can be
a little tough...
B - it almost always shows up on an opperation cottonmouth or
crossfire objective. 14/12 (A4).. really bytes.
c - If they beat it up... the run usually ends... no bullies makes it
kinda hard to soak the damage and live.
D - If it gets put to sleep or invisability was used, the running team
doesn't get any rep from it (house rule)... so its useful in my
neiborhood.
>>

Even with your modified rules you have here, i still think fire
elemental,dracoform, and earth elemental are bad cards. Anything that gives
my opononet free *EASY* rep like that is a waste of time.
Message no. 22
From: "Jason J. Nechanicky" <NosaJKreaF@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:28:36 EDT
As far as good art goes the RAZORBACk card art is stunning, I really dig it,
so does most of the people in my group. My buddy lieked it so much that he
contacted Tom Baxa and purchased the original art piece. While on the subject
of art does anybody else think that Janet Alusio completely ruind the image of
Sally, The Ghost, and Dodger?

My 2 bits

Now I will go back to my lurking.
Message no. 23
From: Gunnar Lundquist <OneWay919@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:36:58 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-24 23:29:41 EDT, you write:

<< While on the subject
of art does anybody else think that Janet Alusio completely ruind the image
of
Sally, The Ghost, and Dodger? >>

no acctually I like all 3 of those cards especially Dodger and Sally. they
are 2 of my favorite cards in fact...and Dodger is big in my Fuchi deck
well enough of my ranting...all hail Janet for great art

OneWay
Message no. 24
From: "Jason J. Nechanicky" <NosaJKreaF@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:52:18 EDT
OK I cant lurk forever.

If you take Janet's renditions of those three main Characters, and compare
them to Elmore's original renditon that was used as the cover for the first
and second edition SR rule book, they pale considerably.

Now I will agree that all three cards are very, and have used them frequently.
Message no. 25
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:09:50 +1000
>As far as good art goes the RAZORBACk card art is stunning, I really dig it,
>so does most of the people in my group. My buddy lieked it so much that he
>contacted Tom Baxa and purchased the original art piece. While on the
subject
>of art does anybody else think that Janet Alusio completely ruind the
image of
>Sally, The Ghost, and Dodger?

Janet Aulisio has her fans - admittedly I'm not one of them - but I think
it's fair to say that in most people's opinions, her art does not translate
well onto cards.

(Me personally, I *don't* like what she did to Sally, Ghost, The Dodger, or
Fastjack. But I tend to like comic-book-y or super-real artwork - my faves
are cards like the Kurt Waller cards [or some name like that; I don't have
my cards handy].)

Lady Jestyr

- Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr
Message no. 26
From: Bolton Sara <pin12962@*******.PING.BE>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:58:56 +0200
>(Me personally, I *don't* like what she did to Sally, Ghost, The Dodger, or
>Fastjack.
Even if i don't really like Sally, Dodger and Ghost, i personnaly think
Fastjack is great (a shadow in the shades) i myself prefert reallistic art
for this kind of games
my faves are cards like the Kurt Waller cards [or some name like that; I
don't have my cards handy].) maybe Karl Waller.

By the way, did someone already notice that "Skwaaaaaaaark!" art is by
Mike"Skuzzy"Nielsen ?

Vincent "lost again" Schmitt.
Message no. 27
From: "(Ryan Smith)" <SnakeIzBac@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:35:19 EDT
In a message dated 8/25/98 1:14:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jestyr@*******.COM.AU writes:

<< >of art does anybody else think that Janet Alusio completely ruind the
image of
>Sally, The Ghost, and Dodger?

Janet Aulisio has her fans - admittedly I'm not one of them - but I think
it's fair to say that in most people's opinions, her art does not translate
well onto cards.

(Me personally, I *don't* like what she did to Sally, Ghost, The Dodger, or
Fastjack. But I tend to like comic-book-y or super-real artwork - my faves
are cards like the Kurt Waller cards [or some name like that; I don't have
my cards handy].)
>>


I just called janet auslio guys. She's pissed. She decided she won't do
anymore cards just becuase you don't like her artwork. Hee hee
Message no. 28
From: "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:21:17 -0400
From: "(Ryan Smith)" <SnakeIzBac@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....

> All of the Elemental Cards are the WORSE Pieces of Craps in the game. HOW
> can you say Dracoform is a top card when it GIVES your OPONNENT Rep???

Simple...it's not easy to kill and you can't sleaze it. It's not so bad
on its own really (though it takes heavy hitters to take in down) but
when used with other challenges, it can be a reall killer.


--Droopy
Message no. 29
From: "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:21:17 -0400
From: Adam Lewis <adamswork@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....

> I don't know if a T-Shirt shop could do something like that for you
> just from a regualr sized card, I'm certain it's not legal (those
> pesky copyright laws)but it may be possible.

It's certainly possible. I used to do that kind of thing. Even had a
licensing agreement with FASA for a while doing something similar
(that fell apart due to company problems...ie I got no support from
the owner.) FASA was wonderfull for that.

I still can do that stuff. We still have the equipment even though
the company more or less folded. In fact, you can do it with a
scanner and an inkjet printer though the results wont be very good.


--Droopy
Message no. 30
From: "Bourgault, Patrick" <pbourgau@***.CA>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:29:00 PDT
> All of the Elemental Cards are the WORSE Pieces of Craps in the game.
HOW
> can you say Dracoform is a top card when it GIVES your OPONNENT Rep???

Simple...it's not easy to kill and you can't sleaze it. It's not so bad
on its own really (though it takes heavy hitters to take in down) but
when used with other challenges, it can be a reall killer.


Especially if you can mix it with Crossfire.
Message no. 31
From: Joshua Cho <YuHyunCho@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:41:01 EDT
In a message dated 8/24/98 11:29:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
NosaJKreaF@***.COM writes:

> Sally, The Ghost, and Dodger?

Isn't the ghost supposed to look like an average Joe? his picture is rather
striking and noticeable...
jc
Message no. 32
From: Joshua Cho <YuHyunCho@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:42:54 EDT
In a message dated 8/25/98 3:14:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pin12962@*******.PING.BE writes:

> By the way, did someone already notice that "Skwaaaaaaaark!" art is by
> Mike"Skuzzy"Nielsen ?

I noticed that, yes... as he is my favourite runner... aren't there other art
by Skuzzy?

jc
Message no. 33
From: "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:52:43 -0400
From: "(Ryan Smith)" <SnakeIzBac@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....

> D - If it gets put to sleep or invisability
> was used, the running team doesn't get any rep from it (house rule)... so
> its useful in my neiborhood.

> Even with your modified rules you have here, i still think fire
> elemental,dracoform, and earth elemental are bad cards. Anything that
> gives my opononet free *EASY* rep like that is a waste of time.

Nothing modified there that I can see. Says it on the card IIRC.


--Droopy
Message no. 34
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:04:06 +0200
Gabe Rosario wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/23/98 10:34:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Puckstpr@***.COM
> writes:
>
> > sounds like there aint much thought put into deck building there.
> > if all you see is big bully decks. thats a easy and quick way to kill the
> > fun
> > out of the game.
> >
> > words from the puck
> >
> i have to agree...hopefully the newsletter will give people more ideas on deck
> building...
[snip]

Itīs not a matter of deck-building ideas... One player we met at the GC
had about 20 different decks in his suitcase - that didnīt keep him from
playing a Skwrark-Urban Brawl deck to win. After making 2nd, he did give
up his place to a lower ranking friend for personal reasons. ---Felix
Message no. 35
From: Gabe Rosario <Brakiss187@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:12:39 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-25 21:58:06 EDT, you write:

<< Itīs not a matter of deck-building ideas... One player we met at the GC
had about 20 different decks in his suitcase - that didnīt keep him from
playing a Skwrark-Urban Brawl deck to win. After making 2nd, he did give
up his place to a lower ranking friend for personal reasons. ---Felix

>>
that may be true..but there are alot of people out there that lack in deck
building skills...but even a good deck doesn't matter if the player doesn't
know how to use the cards in that deck...anyone can throw a bully deck
together and win a tournamnet..that's a no brainer, but to put together a
decker deck or a yak deck and totally shut an oppentant who is playing a bully
deck..takes skills...a bully deck will win most of the time..but remember it's
the cards that make that deck win,not the player...sorry if i've insulted
anybody about their deck...but it's true....the player makes the deck, the
deck doesn't make the player...and lets not mistake luck for skill..well i got
to bouce...

brak da yak

"why?? cuz i say so"
Message no. 36
From: Leif Johnson <Paladine@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:05:01 -0500
sorry, with webtv i can't snip parts of messages...
felix, you mentioned GC...which tourny are you talking about? i was
there and played quite a bit of shadowrun, and i know the guy that took
second in the one on one constructed, and i know he played a bruiser
deck
Message no. 37
From: Gunnar Lundquist <OneWay919@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:38:10 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-25 22:14:18 EDT, you write:

<< sorry if i've insulted
anybody about their deck...but it's true....the player makes the deck, the
deck doesn't make the player...and lets not mistake luck for skill. >>

you're only stating the truth here, I am living proof here, I feel great about
my Fuchi/Yak deck after winning the big tourney at GC98, and the next day at
the list games I get my butt kicked by Noah and his ganger deck...go
figure...it always depends on the cards I draw that will tell if I win or
lose.

OneWay919
Message no. 38
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:33:11 -0700
---Leif Johnson <Paladine@*****.NET> wrote:
>
> sorry, with webtv i can't snip parts of messages...
> felix, you mentioned GC...which tourny are you talking about? i was
> there and played quite a bit of shadowrun, and i know the guy that took
> second in the one on one constructed, and i know he played a bruiser
> deck

Hey, if you were at GC'98, too bad you didn't get in on the SRCard tourney
with us.

One thing I really liked seeing at the unofficial SRCard tournament was the
decided lack of Big Bully decks. Everyone was playing theme or skill played
decks, and it really lent to the fun and challange of the tourney.

-== Loki ==-
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Message no. 39
From: Olaf kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:47:16 +0200
Loki schrieb:
> ---Leif Johnson <Paladine@*****.NET> wrote:
> >
> > sorry, with webtv i can't snip parts of messages...
> > felix, you mentioned GC...which tourny are you talking about? i was
> > there and played quite a bit of shadowrun, and i know the guy that took
> > second in the one on one constructed, and i know he played a bruiser
> > deck
>
> Hey, if you were at GC'98, too bad you didn't get in on the SRCard tourney
> with us.
>
> One thing I really liked seeing at the unofficial SRCard tournament was the
> decided lack of Big Bully decks. Everyone was playing theme or skill played
> decks, and it really lent to the fun and challange of the tourney.
>
> -== Loki ==-
>
Felix is not talking about GC98(GenCon 98 ?),he means the German Championchip at
RatCon 3 in Dortmund.

OLAF
Message no. 40
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:18:59 +0200
Leif Johnson wrote:
>
> sorry, with webtv i can't snip parts of messages...
> felix, you mentioned GC...which tourny are you talking about? i was
> there and played quite a bit of shadowrun, and i know the guy that took
> second in the one on one constructed, and i know he played a bruiser
> deck

Sorry. I was referring to "German Championship". ---Felix
Message no. 41
From: Leif Johnson <Paladine@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:31:26 -0500
Loki...

i played in the one on one constructed, and i heard about the unofficial
tourny, but by the end of the weekend, i was beat! i would have liked to
though...

Leif
Message no. 42
From: Leif Johnson <Paladine@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:32:46 -0500
that clears up some things...i was a little confused about that...

Leif
Message no. 43
From: "Jason J. Nechanicky" <NosaJKreaF@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cards.....
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:20:23 EDT
Admittedly her (janet) art does have its place, I agree that the concept of
fastjack in the shadows is really cool, but I still don't really care for her
art style. the poison gas trap card is an example of where her art fits, but
she just shouldn't do any characters.

Jason the on and off lurker

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