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Message no. 1
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Two More Questions
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:01:39 +0100
Hi all,

thanks for the responses to my Tactics: Converge question, although the
answer was not really clear to me. Perhaps my understanding, perhaps a
question of semantics.
Here´s two more:
1. Torgo gets 3 Heavy Armor (Full). He uses only one at a time,
discarding it as soon as he gets kill-damage. Then he uses the next
against the next Challenge. This way, he can walk through the Hive by
himself (with weapon). Seen in tourney game. Legal?

2. Nets. Roll once for all Runners together, or roll once for every
single Runner. "One roll or six rolls?"

Felix
Message no. 2
From: David Reis <david.reis@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Two More Questions
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:31:03 -0800
Felix Hoefert wrote:
>1. Torgo gets 3 Heavy Armor (Full). He uses only one at a time,
>discarding it as soon as he gets kill-damage. Then he uses the next
>against the next Challenge. This way, he can walk through the Hive by
>himself (with weapon). Seen in tourney game. Legal?

Illegal. The rulebook states, "A Runner may only hold one Armor card at a
time."

>2. Nets. Roll once for all Runners together, or roll once for every
>single Runner. "One roll or six rolls?"

Six rolls. The card states, "Roll D6 for each Runner present."

David Reis
Message no. 3
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Two More Questions
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:52:06 -0800
Felix Hoefert wrote:

> 1. Torgo gets 3 Heavy Armor (Full). He uses only one at a time,
> discarding it as soon as he gets kill-damage. Then he uses the next
> against the next Challenge. This way, he can walk through the Hive by
> himself (with weapon). Seen in tourney game. Legal?

Hell no. :)

By the rulebook, a Runner can only hold one Armor card unless it
specifies on the card text (ie, Lined Coat/Armored Vest).

> 2. Nets. Roll once for all Runners together, or roll once for every
> single Runner. "One roll or six rolls?"

Once for each Runner.


-M
Message no. 4
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Two More Questions
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:37:56 PST
Davis Reis wrote

>Felix Hoefert wrote:
>>1. Torgo gets 3 Heavy Armor (Full). He uses only one at a time,
>>discarding it as soon as he gets kill-damage. Then he uses the next
>>against the next Challenge. This way, he can walk through the Hive by
>>himself (with weapon). Seen in tourney game. Legal?
>
>Illegal. The rulebook states, "A Runner may only hold one Armor card
at a
>time."

I agree that the rule book states that a person can only hold one
armor card at a time. But what about different types of armor. The
cards says that you can have a armor vest and a lined coat on the same
runner. But then can you also have a mage with the armor spell, a lined
coat, and an armor vest. Thats three types of armor. But they come
from different sources. Just wondering.


*** In ruling, the Sage attends to the heart, not the eye ***
*** - Tao ***

Jayden Stormwalker


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Message no. 5
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Two More Questions
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:04:13 -0800
Donald Arganbright wrote:

> I agree that the rule book states that a person can only hold one
> armor card at a time. But what about different types of armor. The
> cards says that you can have a armor vest and a lined coat on the same
> runner. But then can you also have a mage with the armor spell, a lined
> coat, and an armor vest. Thats three types of armor. But they come
> from different sources. Just wondering.

This is one of those cases where the rulebook should distinguish between
Armo r(an in-game effect) and an Armor card.

But the intent of the rule is that Runners can't drape on different
types of physical armor (they'd die of heat exhaustion!). But Armor
that comes from different sources -- natural dermal armor in the case of
Trolls and some others; Armor from use of a spell (which is a Gear/Magic
card, not Gear/Armor); Armor from other game effects (Bulldog Van, for
example).

Hope that makes sense.


- Matt

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Message no. 6
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Two More Questions
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:58:03 -0800
---Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> thanks for the responses to my Tactics: Converge question, although
the
> answer was not really clear to me. Perhaps my understanding, perhaps a
> question of semantics.
> Here´s two more:
> 1. Torgo gets 3 Heavy Armor (Full). He uses only one at a time,
> discarding it as soon as he gets kill-damage. Then he uses the next
> against the next Challenge. This way, he can walk through the Hive by
> himself (with weapon). Seen in tourney game. Legal?

Nope. Here's a quote from the RBT:

Armor: Armor cards add to a Runner's Body and increase the Runner's
ability to withstand damage. A Runner may only hold one Armor card at
a time. See Armor, p. 63 for additional Armor rules.

> 2. Nets. Roll once for all Runners together, or roll once for every
> single Runner. "One roll or six rolls?"

Here's the card text. It specifically says to roll d6 for _each_ Runner:

Roll D6 for each Runner present. 1-2: No effect. 3+: Runners without
Athletics return to Safehouse unturned. 5+: Runners with Athletics
return to Safehouse unturned. If Nets sends any Runners to Safehouse,
the alarm is triggered. Trash after revealed.

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Message no. 7
From: RANGERX 58 <RANGERX58@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Two More Questions
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:39:02 EST
no he can only hold one armor
Message no. 8
From: Felix Hoefert <FHoefert@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Two More Questions
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:52:23 +0100
Loki wrote:
> > 2. Nets. Roll once for all Runners together, or roll once for every
> > single Runner. "One roll or six rolls?"
>
> Here's the card text. It specifically says to roll d6 for _each_ Runner:
>
> Roll D6 for each Runner present. 1-2: No effect. 3+: Runners without
> Athletics return to Safehouse unturned. 5+: Runners with Athletics
> return to Safehouse unturned. If Nets sends any Runners to Safehouse,
> the alarm is triggered. Trash after revealed.

The problem was that the German card version uses the phrasing "all
Runners", which can mean each as well as all in German. In the tourney,
players disagreed on the correct use. Additionally, the German version
left out the "unturned", which makes a difference when using Red Widow,
for instance. ---Felix

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