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Message no. 1
From: Zachariah Hoffman <zhoffman@*.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Virus Card Ideas
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:21:21 -0700
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3 cards does not a virus deck make. Does anyone have any good ideas for =
expanding the virus concept? Here's one to start off...

Vaccine
Special
3¥
Play only during owners legwork phase.
Remove all virus tokens from target runner.

Locust
Troll Mercenary
6¥
4/5 (A1)
Melee, Stealth
If Locust damages a runner in runner vs runner combat, place a -1/-1 =
Virus token on the Runner. An undamaged Runner may turn to remove all =
Virus tokens he is holding.


Zach

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<DIV><FONT size=2>3 cards does not a virus deck make.&nbsp; Does =
anyone have any
good ideas for expanding the virus concept?&nbsp; Here's one to start
off...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Vaccine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Special</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>3¥</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Play only during owners legwork
phase.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Remove all virus tokens from target =
runner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Locust</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Troll Mercenary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>6¥</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>4/5 (A1)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Melee, Stealth</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If Locust damages a runner in runner vs runner =
combat, place a
&#8211;1/&#8211;1 Virus token on the Runner. An undamaged Runner may =
turn to remove all
Virus tokens he is holding.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Zach</FONT></DIV>
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Message no. 2
From: Kevin P Dargis <NEORAZORBOY@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Virus Card Ideas
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:03:19 -0800
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3 cards does not a virus deck make. Does anyone have any good ideas =
for expanding the virus concept? Here's one to start off...

I agree with that comment bigtime!

Vaccine
Special
3¥
Play only during owners legwork phase.
Remove all virus tokens from target runner.

I think as you have it, the cost of that is too much.....even if it =
were used by an opponent. What do ya think of something like this?

Mass Vaccination
Special
X¥
Roll D6 for each targeted Runner. 2+: Remove all Virus tokens Runner =
is holding.
X=target Runners with Virus tokens.
Mental note: Vaccine's chances of failure are there, but very slim =
and it's also my understanding that with Specials (not Stingers) that =
unless they say...they can only be used during the Legwork phase, =
hence...no need to type it onto card. But I like the idea a lot.

Locust
Troll Mercenary
6¥
4/5 (A1)
Melee, Stealth
If Locust damages a runner in runner vs runner combat, place a =
–1/–1 Virus token on the Runner. An undamaged Runner may turn to =
remove all Virus tokens he is holding.

Luv the idea, but with one suggestion. 4 attack will 98% of the =
time do damage to another Runner. Add a Katana making him a 7/5(A1) is =
devastating. And how could you explain him with a Ranged Weapon placing =
a Virus token? I would suggest making the Bonus read like this maybe:

When Locust inflicts Hand-to-Hand combat damage against a Runner or =
Awakened and Personnel Challenges, Roll D6. 4+: Place a -1/-1 Virus on =
opposing card.

You realize how cool this would be if you made him a Bodyguard =
instead? They'll use caution with Wanted from now on, huh? Damn, that =
would be cool!

Zach

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Yeah, I have 2 Virus Challenges posted under my Webpage creations. =
Though, I will be revising "Devil Rats" to read as -1/-1 Virus tokens =
instead of -1/-0....but the "Contaminated Zone" card might not need =
revising. I will post my ideas here soon, but if ya wanna check 'em out =
now....they're at http://pages.prodigy.net/neorazorboy/srtcg.htm is =
where they're at now under Card Ideas. Talk atcha laterz here......


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<DIV><FONT size=2>3 cards does not a virus deck make.&nbsp; Does
=
anyone have
any good ideas for expanding the virus concept?&nbsp; Here's one to =
start
off...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I agree with that comment
bigtime!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Vaccine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Special</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>3&yen;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Play only during owners legwork =
phase.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Remove all virus tokens from target =
runner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I think as you have it, the cost
=
of that is
too much.....even if it were used by an opponent. What do ya think =
of
something like this?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000
size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Mass
Vaccination</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT =
size=2>Special</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>X&yen;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>Roll D6 for each
targeted =
Runner. 2+:
Remove all Virus tokens Runner is holding. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>X=target Runners with Virus

tokens.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Mental note: Vaccine's chances =
of failure
are there, but very slim and it's also my understanding that with =
Specials
(not Stingers) that unless they say...they can only be used during =
the
Legwork phase, hence...no need to type it onto card.&nbsp; But I =
like the
idea a lot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Locust</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Troll Mercenary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>6&yen;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>4/5 (A1)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Melee, Stealth</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If Locust damages a runner in runner vs runner =
combat,
place a &ndash;1/&ndash;1 Virus token on the Runner. An undamaged =
Runner may
turn to remove all Virus tokens he is holding.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Luv the idea, but with one =
suggestion.&nbsp;
4 attack will 98% of the time do damage to another Runner.&nbsp; Add =
a
Katana making him a 7/5(A1) is devastating.&nbsp; And how could you =
explain
him with a Ranged Weapon placing a Virus token?&nbsp; I would =
suggest making
the Bonus read like this maybe:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000
size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>When Locust inflicts =
Hand-to-Hand combat
damage against a Runner or Awakened and Personnel Challenges, Roll =
D6.&nbsp;
4+: Place a -1/-1 Virus on opposing card.&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT color=#000000
size=2>You =
realize how cool
this would be if you made him a Bodyguard instead?&nbsp; They'll use =
caution
with Wanted from now on, huh?&nbsp; Damn, that would be =
cool!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Zach</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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=
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size=2>****************************************************************=
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Hoffman <A
=
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ort
Systems Analyst <A
=
href="http://www.lrc.arizona.edu/ZachH">www.lrc.arizona.edu/ZachH</A><B=
R>UA
College of
=
Medicine<BR>*************************************************************=
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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Yeah, I have 2 Virus Challenges posted under my =
Webpage
creations.&nbsp; Though, I will be revising &quot;Devil Rats&quot; =
to read
as -1/-1 Virus tokens instead of -1/-0....but the &quot;Contaminated =

Zone&quot; card might not need revising.&nbsp; I will post my ideas =
here
soon, but if ya wanna check 'em out now....they're at <A
=
href="http://pages.prodigy.net/neorazorboy/srtcg.htm">http://pages.prod=
igy.net/neorazorboy/srtcg.htm</A>;
is where they're at now under Card Ideas.&nbsp; Talk atcha laterz
here......</FONT></DIV>
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Message no. 3
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Virus Card Ideas
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:28:41 PST
Hoi,

(Snip)

>Locust
>Troll Mercenary
>6¥
>4/5 (A1)
>Melee, Stealth
>If Locust damages a runner in runner vs runner combat, place a
>-1/-1 Virus token on the Runner. An undamaged Runner may turn to
>remove all Virus tokens he is holding.

>Luv the idea, but with one suggestion. 4 attack will 98% of the >time
do damage to another Runner. Add a Katana making him a 7/5(A1) >is
devastating. And how could you explain him with a Ranged Weapon
>placing a Virus token? I would suggest making the Bonus read like
>this maybe: When Locust inflicts Hand-to-Hand combat damage against >a
Runner or Awakened and Personnel Challenges, Roll D6. 4+: Place a
>-1/-1 Virus on opposing card.

Good ideas.. :)

>You realize how cool this would be if you made him a Bodyguard
>instead? They'll use caution with Wanted from now on, huh? Damn,
>that would be cool!

It would be cool, except that bodyguards cannot stop runner vs. runner
combat with wanted!... it really sucks but that is the way the term is
used at the moment.


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*** - Tao ***

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Message no. 4
From: Kevin P Dargis <NEORAZORBOY@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Virus Card Ideas
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:06:21 -0800
Hoi,

(Snip)

>Locust
>Troll Mercenary
>6¥
>4/5 (A1)
>Melee, Stealth
>If Locust damages a runner in runner vs runner combat, place a
>-1/-1 Virus token on the Runner. An undamaged Runner may turn to
>remove all Virus tokens he is holding.

>Luv the idea, but with one suggestion. 4 attack will 98% of the >time
do damage to another Runner. Add a Katana making him a 7/5(A1) >is
devastating. And how could you explain him with a Ranged Weapon
>placing a Virus token? I would suggest making the Bonus read like
>this maybe: When Locust inflicts Hand-to-Hand combat damage against >a
Runner or Awakened and Personnel Challenges, Roll D6. 4+: Place a
>-1/-1 Virus on opposing card.

Good ideas.. :)

>You realize how cool this would be if you made him a Bodyguard
>instead? They'll use caution with Wanted from now on, huh? Damn,
>that would be cool!

It would be cool, except that bodyguards cannot stop runner vs. runner
combat with wanted!... it really sucks but that is the way the term is
used at the moment.


I'm not trying to be jerkish or nuttin', but I musta missed where it sayz
that in the rules. It's to our understanding here that if a Runner in the
safehouse (aside from the Bodyguard) is not turned, they are present
together. Our understanding is that Guard can be used to protect against
Wanted, unless the Wanted Runner is turned. Say Bodyguard didn't go on run
with Wanted Bam-Bam, then we understand it that this is prime time to pick
him off cuz he turned to go on a run and is probably hurt a little bit. If
you can't use Guard for that, and nothing against what ya said, then that
trait really ain't that good. I can understand it can't be used against Bar
Fight, but I think Wanted is legit. Anyhoo....I think we'll keep on playing
by our understanding but if you're right, thanx for clarifying that.

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Message no. 5
From: Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Virus Card Ideas
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:38:04 PST
Hoi,

>I'm not trying to be jerkish or nuttin', but I musta missed where it
>sayz that in the rules. It's to our understanding here that if a
>Runner in the safehouse (aside from the Bodyguard) is not turned, >they
are present together. Our understanding is that Guard can be >used to
protect against Wanted, unless the Wanted Runner is turned. >Say
Bodyguard didn't go on run with Wanted Bam-Bam, then we >understand it
that this is prime time to pick him off cuz he turned >to go on a run
and is probably hurt a little bit. If you can't use >Guard for that,
and nothing against what ya said, then that trait >really ain't that
good. I can understand it can't be used against >Bar Fight, but I think
Wanted is legit. Anyhoo....I think we'll >keep on playing by our
understanding but if you're right, thanx for >clarifying that.

Sadly, its been stated by the DLOH, and its in the FAQ somewhere that
all runner vs. runner combat takes place outside of the safehouse...
thus your runner with guard is never present to soak any of the damages.
Its the same way with bar fight, or any other card that allows you to
engage in runner vs. runner combat. Alot of the list members use the
house rule that you can use the bodyguard to protect your runners from
any damage as long as they are not turned or from damage that would come
from inside the runner like decking, magic, etc... related events. It
really is up to you on how you want to handle it.

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