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Message no. 1
From: Blade Hunter <bladehnt@*********.NET>
Subject: wacky card questions...
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:32:52 -0400
A couple situations that probably occured to some of your games, though,
as of yet, none of mine...hopefully somebody figured this out already.

1) Cards which require selecting another card. Smartgun Link requires
playing on a ranged weapon (aside from the usual runner-gear thing).
Troll Bouncer requires being played on an opponent's location. In the
event the ranged weapon and location is trashed, is the Troll Bouncer and
Smartgun Link trashed (and an essence point returned)? Or is it time for
your opponent to give you a grinning "Awww. Too bad."?

2) What happens when a die roll is modified to become a 0, 7, i, etc. and
the card to which this matters doesn't make an indication as to what
happens? (Macabre gets a 7 at the Iron Lung; a 0 in The Z Zone; etc;
etc.) Does the die modification become illegal? No effect?

3) Who/what gets the Attack Value bonus from the Smartgun Link? (the
runner or the ranged weapon?)

4) What was the final verdict on the Ally Spirit question? Turn or not to
turn?

5) Will we see a more pronounced appearance of everybody's newest favorite
dragon, Lofwyr? Has Loki already turned off his 'puter on his way to a
hopefully nice trip? Why are you still reading this terribly non-serious
question?


enough wasted time,
-he with the cliched 'nym
bladehnt@*********.net
Message no. 2
From: Phillip G Jaros <phillip_jaros@**.US.SWISSBANK.COM>
Subject: Re: wacky card questions...
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:41:55 CDT
>1) Cards which require selecting another card. Smartgun Link requires
>playing on a ranged weapon (aside from the usual runner-gear thing).
>Troll Bouncer requires being played on an opponent's location. In the
>event the ranged weapon and location is trashed, is the Troll Bouncer and
>Smartgun Link trashed (and an essence point returned)? Or is it time for
>your opponent to give you a grinning "Awww. Too bad."?

The Troll Bouncer would be discarded, but the smartlink would have to
remain on the Runner. Simply because it has been installed into his
body. It would be useless though since he no longer had the weapon it
worked with...

>2) What happens when a die roll is modified to become a 0, 7, i, etc. and
>the card to which this matters doesn't make an indication as to what
>happens? (Macabre gets a 7 at the Iron Lung; a 0 in The Z Zone; etc;
>etc.) Does the die modification become illegal? No effect?

We've always treated it like the lowest/highest roll possible. Basically
treat all the 6+ rolls as a 6 and the -1 rolls as 1. The only card I can
think off that would go against this, would be Fuchi Industries, as a 7
there should be treated as a 7...

>3) Who/what gets the Attack Value bonus from the Smartgun Link? (the
>runner or the ranged weapon?)

We've been playing that it is given to the gun, which inturn gives it to
the runner. THat way there isn't a problem with anyone claiming they
still add their Firearms to their attack value, when the weapon needs to
be discarded.

>4) What was the final verdict on the Ally Spirit question? Turn or not to
>turn?

I think it basically was: The Ally Spirit doesn't really need to turn,
but as soon as it is played on a Shaman it counts towards its total amount
of Spirits that may be used.



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Message no. 3
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: wacky card questions...
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:11:24 -0700
---Blade Hunter wrote:
>
> A couple situations that probably occured to some of your games,
though,
> as of yet, none of mine...hopefully somebody figured this out already.
>
> 1) Cards which require selecting another card. Smartgun Link requires
> playing on a ranged weapon (aside from the usual runner-gear thing).
> Troll Bouncer requires being played on an opponent's location. In the
> event the ranged weapon and location is trashed, is the Troll
Bouncer and
> Smartgun Link trashed (and an essence point returned)? Or is it
time for
> your opponent to give you a grinning "Awww. Too bad."?

My understanding is the attached cards get trashed when the root card
does.

In the case of Smartlink, I'd say the essence point is regained as the
card is no longer there to count towards the essence limit of 6. Cases
like this is where you have to detour from the RPG mechanics a bit, as
the TCG would overwise get overcomplicated and laden down with
bookkeeping.

> 2) What happens when a die roll is modified to become a 0, 7, i,
etc. and
> the card to which this matters doesn't make an indication as to what
> happens? (Macabre gets a 7 at the Iron Lung; a 0 in The Z Zone; etc;
> etc.) Does the die modification become illegal? No effect?

I would count it as the next closest number (i.e. 7 --> 6 or 0 --> 1).
In otherwords the die roll modifier becomes moot and has no real effect.

> 3) Who/what gets the Attack Value bonus from the Smartgun Link? (the
> runner or the ranged weapon?)

I don't have my binder with me, and I can't get to Paolo's site at the
moment to check a spoiler list. I believe it's the user getting the
bonus, as he gets to add Firearms to the Attack Value.

> 4) What was the final verdict on the Ally Spirit question? Turn or
not to
> turn?

It doesn't turn. This comes from the list's Game Q&A:

Q. Since it doesn't have to be turned to use it, does the Ally spirit
count towards a Shaman's limit of spirits?

A. They still count because even though they don't turn, they ARE used.

> 5) Will we see a more pronounced appearance of everybody's newest
favorite dragon, Lofwyr?

Possibly, I haven't heard anything specific.

> Has Loki already turned off his 'puter on his way to a hopefully
nice trip?

Not quite yet. I still have 4 hours left here at work. :o)

> Why are you still reading this terribly non-serious question?

Part of the job when you're Fearless Leader.

-== Loki ==-
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Message no. 4
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: wacky card questions...
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:22:36 -0700
Phillip G Jaros wrote:

> >1) Cards which require selecting another card. Smartgun Link requires
> >playing on a ranged weapon (aside from the usual runner-gear thing).
> >Troll Bouncer requires being played on an opponent's location. In the
> >event the ranged weapon and location is trashed, is the Troll Bouncer and
> >Smartgun Link trashed (and an essence point returned)? Or is it time for
> >your opponent to give you a grinning "Awww. Too bad."?

My personal opinion is that both would stay in play, but with a "hanging
pointer". They generate no effects.

Trashing them's too easy. This is only my personal opinion, though.

> >2) What happens when a die roll is modified to become a 0, 7, i, etc. and
> >the card to which this matters doesn't make an indication as to what
> >happens? (Macabre gets a 7 at the Iron Lung; a 0 in The Z Zone; etc;
> >etc.) Does the die modification become illegal? No effect?

> We've always treated it like the lowest/highest roll possible. Basically
> treat all the 6+ rolls as a 6 and the -1 rolls as 1. The only card I can
> think off that would go against this, would be Fuchi Industries, as a 7
> there should be treated as a 7...

RBT, p. 16: "A dice roll cannot be modified to a value of less than 1.
There is no maximum value."

Most of the Locations and some of the Contacts are set up to act on 1-6,
rather than 1-6+. I would treat all statements of "...6: (foo)" as
"...6+: (foo)." So, you would draw more cards at the Iron Lung on a 6,
a 9, or a 22 (should you be so lucky as to ever roll one.)



-Mb
Message no. 5
From: Gary Crane <jack9@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: wacky card questions...
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:48:25 -0700
At 09:32 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>A couple situations that probably occured to some of your games, though,
>as of yet, none of mine...hopefully somebody figured this out already.
>
>1) Cards which require selecting another card. Smartgun Link requires
>playing on a ranged weapon (aside from the usual runner-gear thing).
>Troll Bouncer requires being played on an opponent's location. In the
>event the ranged weapon and location is trashed, is the Troll Bouncer and
>Smartgun Link trashed (and an essence point returned)? Or is it time for
>your opponent to give you a grinning "Awww. Too bad."?
>
>2) What happens when a die roll is modified to become a 0, 7, i, etc. and
>the card to which this matters doesn't make an indication as to what
>happens? (Macabre gets a 7 at the Iron Lung; a 0 in The Z Zone; etc;
>etc.) Does the die modification become illegal? No effect?
>
>3) Who/what gets the Attack Value bonus from the Smartgun Link? (the
>runner or the ranged weapon?)
>
>4) What was the final verdict on the Ally Spirit question? Turn or not to
>turn?
>

Although I think the Smargun Link card could be done better, these are my
takes on the questions-

1) Smartgun Link is trashed w/ weapon and essence restored.
2) You cannot modify a Die roll outside of the range of the card.

3) The runner

4) You do not have to turn it to be "using" it, however you can deactivate
it to use a different spirit.

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Message no. 6
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: wacky card questions...
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:57:56 -0700
> >A couple situations that probably occured to some of your games, though,
> >as of yet, none of mine...hopefully somebody figured this out already.

> >1) Cards which require selecting another card. Smartgun Link requires
> >playing on a ranged weapon (aside from the usual runner-gear thing).
> >Troll Bouncer requires being played on an opponent's location. In the
> >event the ranged weapon and location is trashed, is the Troll Bouncer and
> >Smartgun Link trashed (and an essence point returned)? Or is it time for
> >your opponent to give you a grinning "Awww. Too bad."?

Having just done my homework, I'll reverse an earlier comment on these
two. Both are played *on* another card, implying that when the "main"
card - the Weapon or Location in the examples above - is trashed, the
card "on top" of it is trashed as well.

Smartgun Link could be worded better, maybe by making it a Gear
(Accessory) witht he tagline, "Counts as Cyberware" in the description.
(Or the obverse - a Gear (Cyberware) card that counts as an Accessory,
which would allow the 'Link to be Chop Shopped).


-Mb

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