From:	Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject:	Re: I was slaughtered
Date:	Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:11:46 +0000

> > Q: What can I do to kill Lord Torgo?
> > -I haven't the pilots for Driveby, and he never gets hurt anyway
> > -with his Browse, Torgo never pulls out of a run, and even if he did,
> > I'd have to spend a fortune for a CHANCE of using bounty hunter.
> >
> There is always QAGS ;-) You could always use Whoops! to remove some
> of the skills that he is relying on for sleazing. Nets, Gut Check and
> other "non skill sleazable" cards are a good idea to. Since it sounds
> like your games are rather drawn out I assume you have a lot on your
> credstick, adding in pumpable challenges might be a good idea for the
> "bottom of the stack". (BTW I think our longest game was a 4 man that
> took a little over an hour.)

Actually, no, I didn't have much on the credstick (sometimes yes, but
other times I was spending it all to get my of guys out again (after
they got slaughtered).

GAQs' and Whoops don't help much, because he has enough muscle to
deal with anything a singler (or even two No Way Out'd) Challenge can
deal. (torgo IS a 9/9A2 BEFORE gear) Gut Check would just stall
for time...assuming he didn't just breeze past it.

I could in theory create a deck dedicated to slaughtering
Torgo.....but it couldn't do much else (like, for example, win). And
the more cards involved in the combo, the less likely I'll be able to
pull it off.

> I would try a challenge stack like this:
> 1st: something to trigger an alarm

GAQS, Whoops.

> 2nd: something to remove some runners (back to the safehouse or out of
> the game)

GAQS.

> 3rd: something pumpable to inflict a lot of damage on the remaining
> runners

Got these, but will I have the money?

> Back to Torgo though. You could play Wanted! on him and and go after
> him that way. Swapping out a couple of mages/shamans for some "meat"
> might not be a bad idea either (if you don't have the samurai, and
> mercs in there already).

I've got some muscle(Hachetman, Reaper), but they aren't enough.
Wanted! would require that I have someone able to defeat a 9/9A2
(plus the massive amounts of junk he throws on him....Torgo with two
Hand Razors is vile. Vindicator is just as bad.)

> > Q: The Rapier says "Outdoor". Does this mean it can ONLY be used on
> > Outdoor Challenges, or CAN'T be used on Indoor Challenges?
> >
> Actually, in this case, since the Yamaha is a vehicle it is prevented
> from being used on Indoor challenges. The special ability could be
> used, but the bonus to armor can't be.

What I meant was: If it doesn't say Outdoor
OR Indoor, do I have the armor bonus or not?

> Add a decker.... Wanted! is uncommon. Depending upon the body of the
> decker, adding your own Bar Fights and Riots might work in your favor.

But A decker would require his own gear, screwing up the mages in my
deck.

Not trying to be a downer here, I just can't think of any
reasonable fix to this. (The Bar Fights on the Decker, yes)

Sigh.
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie