From:	Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:	Re: Riots and tapped Runners in the safehouse
Date:	Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:10:28 -0800

Jeffrey Nuremburg wrote:

> I saw a bunch of replies to this post but not one person mentioned THE
> PREMIERE ANTI-RIOT card, BullDog Van.

Given that a Decker or Mage-based deck is going to have many Runners
turning each round
(Recon, innate abilities, and so on), the Bulldog Van is an expensive,
but very unuseful toy
in that type of deck.

And, to nip one other comment in the bud: Bullet Barrier is also
ineffective ["(A1) until *end of combat* to user and all Runners *on
shadowrun* with user."]

Armor Spell works. Guard, if you accept turned Runners in the
safehouse, also works. And, of course, all the normal Gear/Armor cards.

> As for the tapped runners in the safehouse, I have to agree with Rob on this
> one, page 14 of the rulebook states:

> A card referred to as "present" may be in one of three situations.
> 1) On a shadowrun. . .<etc>
> 2) In the safehouse. This includes all unturned Runners currently in the
> safehouse.
> 3) In Runner-against-Runner combat. . . <etc>

Your emphasis is misplaced: A card that is present may be .. 2) In the
safehouse. "Includes" can be looked at as inclusive, not exclusive.

GAQ returns a Runner to... the safehouse. Sim-sensation returns Runners
to the safehouse. And so on.

Sorry to say, but I haven't seen anything really enlightening on this
topic in days, probably weeks. Just a little entrenchment.

(The more we talk about this, the muddier the waters get, it seems.
Does the safehouse work, fictionally? Considering that you're
apparently having Bar Fights and Riots in your living room, so to speak,
it really isn't that "safe" a house.)

> Can a turned Runner initiate a Bar Fight? Can Bar Fight and Wanted targer a
> turned Runner?

Yes, a turned Runner can initiate a Bar Fight. The card reads "choose a
Runner", not "choose an unturned Runner". Both Bar Fight and Wanted can
target turned Runners; neither card specifies a specfic status or trait
of their victim.


-Mb