From:	Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:	Updated "Present",,,,
Date:	Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:51:13 -0800

Note: I've edited the "rules" and posted them first, then responded to
Teos' comments after.

1) On a shadowrun. All Runners and revealed Challenges are considered
present to each other.

2) In Runner-on-Runner combat. All attacking and defending Runners on
both sides are present with each other.

3) At a Location or Contact. Multiple Runners who visit the same
Location are present with each other. Runners are present at the last
Location or Contact they visit on that turn. Runners "return" from the
Location during their owner's next Refresh phase (ie, when the Runners
unturn).

4) In the safehouse. This includes all turned and unturned Runners not
present elsewhere.


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Abadia, Teos wrote:

This was rather fast and on the fly; I did a bit more thinking today and
came up with a few other problems.

> > 1) On a shadowrun. All Runners and revealed Challenges are considered
> > present to each other.

> > 2) In combat. All Runners on both sides are present with each other.

(Note: slight change to fit RBT a bit better.)

> i would say "All Runners on both sides capable of taking part in the
> combat are present with each other."

This is still a bit slippery; I think "attacking and defending" defines
pretty clearly what roles are intended to be present.

> I don't think that our wording should allow the following:
> I choose 6 unturned runners and use Z-Zone to attack. I then use
> Guard/Biotech from a seventh unturned runner in my safehouse to help one
> of my 6 on the Z-Zone.

Yup. Actually, this falls under several different categories --
HAwkwind can't help them because she's not in the combat; can't help
them because she's not at the Location. I'm not sure I like the last...

3) At a Location. Multiple Runners who visit the same Location are
present with each other. Runners "return" from the Location during
their owner's next Refresh phase (ie, when the Runners unturn).

(Note: added Contacts to this list, which seems fair; there's no way the
Don is gonna stop by your stoop. Yoshimo Chang, incidentally, specifies
a visiting Runner. I could see the same applying to a Runner visiting
the Mr. Black or the Talismonger for gear, etc.)

> I would say "Runners who turn "return" from the ....." since some
> locations do not require you to turn. Also, same for contacts.

Officially, most of the Contacts aren't visited (except Yoshima). Any
Location that is "visited" requires the Runner to turn (per the FAQ and
email from Mike Nielsen).

4) In the safehouse. This includes all turned and unturned Runners.

> I would add "in the safehouse", to make it obvious that you don't mean
> all runners.

And man, that was a huge loophole...

Other thoughts? This might be a nice way to start up a set of
tournament rules....

-Mb