From:	Bradley Aaron Rebh <brebh@*****.BGSU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Vortex Tokens (was Re: Poisoned Elves deck finalized)
Date:	Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:40:53 -0500

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Matb wrote:

> Bradley Aaron Rebh wrote:
>
> > > Minor point: Skwrk can get Drugs; he wouldn't be able to if they were
> > > Gear. Similarly, your inside information is still good if you decide to
fly in on a
> > > Yellowjacket.
>
> > I don't agree with Skwrk being able to use the drug tokens.
>
> Umm.. forgive me for not seeing the cheesiness, but why not? (You're
> as likely
> as not to frag a 10Y Runner, and one who probably has 4-6Y worth of Free
> Gear to boot.)

Well, it says that the only gear that Skwrk can use is gear/Cyber cards, I
see the big guy caring as much for a bunch of drugs (that probably
wouldn't have any effect when his vascular system has probably been
replaced along with his arms, legs, and well.....everything) as he would
for a Stim patch or a tidbit of inside information on the local corps
defenses. I really don't see skwrk as the sneaky type. :P

> > Let's face it, drugs and
> > info can be traded between individuals (I guess viruses can too, but
> > that's a different subject altogether). They are both commodities that
> > can be moved from one person to another. Just because it's a token
> > doesn't change what the card is supposed to represent. It just sounds
> > lame to me to ignore that point.
>
> Well -- Info is a rather odd one; if you wanted to be a bit more
> realistic,
> the token would go to the player, although that makes it much more
> powerful.
>
> Drugs.. I dunno.
>
> <bluff>
> Maybe they're tailored to an individual's biochemistry?
> </bluff>
>
> > Also, let me point out that I'm not necessarily pushing for the tokens to
> > become Gear, I just think that there has to be a solution that could
> > appease both parties. Maybe instead of considering the tokens gear, it
> > could just be amended that any token that makes sense that it could be
> > traded, can. I guess the tokens don't need to have the gear label
> > attached to them just so they can be treated like a gear card.
>
> Mmm.. I'm all for explicit text. I could see something like, "Place a
> Colt Manhunter (Gear/Weapon) token on visiting Runner. Runner gains
> +1/+0 when using Colt Manhunter."
>
> This jibes against the other (Drug/Info) tokens, which are used and then
> trashed, but them's the breaks.

You could also say that you can't retrieve the drugs from your trash
because there's nothing left but an empty syringe. And well, the info
could be described as going out of date, the info was wrong and if you
succeeded then you shouldn't have to use another info token on that
challenge again anyways because you _should_ make a note of what was in
that challenge slot. Oh well...

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