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From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: LT and LOTP( was Re: My Take on Question, and more Questions)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:15:56 -0800
---Jon Palmer <jmp225@***.EDU> wrote:
>
> >Well, if you're going to take it that literaly, Lord Torgo defenatly
> >couldn't be counted in adding +x/+x because you couldn't play the
card...It
> >states that you may not have more than one Ganger Leader in play at
a time,
> >and since Lord Torgo is a Ganger Leader...
> >
> >Personally, I side with Lord Torgo being just a ganger....Scatter
isn't a
> >rat shaman and doesn't get the bonus of the totem, why would Lord
Torgo be
> >any different?
>
> There's no "foo rule" in Shadowrun, is there? If there were, Torgo
would
> be a ganger, and a leader, and a ganger leader. But since he's not,
he's
> JUST a ganger leader, not a ganger. TECHNICALLY (and this is
nitpicky, but
> true, assuming I'm correct about the lack of a foo rule) he doesn't
count
> even for the gang HQ cards, or any card that requires a ganger.
Obviously,
> rules mavens can change this, but they way the rules of this game
are (as I
> interpret them) Torgo is NOT, by any stretch of the GAME MECHANICS, a
> 'ganger'. Whether or not he should be is another matter entirely :-)
> Hopefully FASA will just make him be a Ganger in 2nd run, clearing
up all
> this confusion.

Actually the way it's been understood before is that all A's are B's,
but not all B's are A's.

For example, all Combat Mages are Mages, but not all Mages are Combat
Mages.

Thus all Gang Leaders are Gangers, but not all Gangers are Gang Leaders.

Thus Torgo is affected by Trogs and the Gang Leader contact as he is a
Ganger. However, LotP differentiates specifically between the Gangers
that are Leaders and the Gangers that aren't.

-== Loki ==-
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