From:	Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:	Re: Lord Torgo again....He's fun to talk about :)
Date:	Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:10:16 -0700

Bradley Aaron Rebh wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Matb wrote:

> > Bradley Aaron Rebh wrote:

> > Not sure I agree with you there. The inclusion of Lurker in Underworld
> > sets a precedence as far as determining which key words to use; just as
> > Lurker qualifies as a Ganger and a Mage (and a Ganger Mage), I'd have to
> > say that Torgo counts as a Ganger and a Leader (and a Ganger Leader).
> > Leader of the Pack takes a Ganger Runner and turns him into a Ganger
> > Leader. In the case of Torgo, he's already a Ganger Leader, so there's
> > no effect. (And who wants to see him be more buff?) Similarly, a
> > Ganger Runner scoring the Initiation doesn't become a Ganger, because
> > he's already at that stage in life.
>
> So, following this theory, if a team comprised of nothing but Gangers
> takes the Initiation Objective, there's no effect because they're already
> gangers?

You gain the Reputation for scoring the Objective; if there was some
effect preventing them from being considered Gangers (a Dirty Cop
against Ancients, say) then they'd turn back into Gangers. But they're
already considered Gangers because they already *are* Gangers, so the
Bonus part of the Objective doesn't do much.

> > In the case of Scatter and the Totems, consider Scatter starting out as
> > having only a loose connection with her Totem. By playing Rat Totem on
> > her, you're bringing her closer to her natural bent -- but you could
> > also play Bear Totem (moo-hah-hah!) and draw her away from her
> > predilection. Although it goes against the grain of the RPG, SRTCG
> > shamans can add or drop Totems nearly at will; she just can't hold two
> > of them at once.

> Why can't you say the same for Torgo? Torgo starts out as the boss, but
> the rest of the guys have their doubts about his toughness? Torgo gets
> sick of the whole ordeal and starts demanding the respect he deserves
> wich overwelms him with the backing and confidence of his men. As his
> numbers grow, he gets more confident and tougher.

Because it goes against the grain of the card? Torgo's already a leader
-- he's already got a gang behind him (even if they're not represented
by cards - who do you goes and pokes all the elves?) Leader of the Pack
works best when you start out with just one Ganger in play, and slowly
more and more Gangers rally around him or her; Torgo's already at the
top, though.

"doubts about his toughness" -- hehehe. Sorry, that just strikes my
funny bone.

> Why is it so bad to make Torgo Tougher? In a lot of the games that
> I've played against big bully decks, I've seen players stack Stomper,
> Skwraaaaaark!, and the rest of the bruisers with enough cards to make them
> a walking killing maachine. These monsters can stomp through most
> challenges by themself. They still aren't able to get by a Maglock
> though. *shrug*

Because the balance of the game really isn't meant to be with the 12-16
Attack Rating guys -- it seems more comfortable around the 5-8 range.
With one LotP and Torgo (and a few small Gangers) you've got a guy who
can cream through a Cleanse the Hive by himself. Sort of takes tactics
out of the game. It isn't an invincible combination (hello, GAQS), but
at the same time, it's a lot less challenging and a helluca lot less
fun.


- Matt

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