From:	Bradley Aaron Rebh <brebh@*****.BGSU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Lord Torgo again....He's fun to talk about :)
Date:	Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:58:30 -0400

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Matb wrote:

> Bradley Aaron Rebh wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Matb wrote:
>
> > > Bradley Aaron Rebh wrote:
>
> > So, following this theory, if a team comprised of nothing but Gangers
> > takes the Initiation Objective, there's no effect because they're already
> > gangers?
>
> You gain the Reputation for scoring the Objective; if there was some
> effect preventing them from being considered Gangers (a Dirty Cop
> against Ancients, say) then they'd turn back into Gangers. But they're
> already considered Gangers because they already *are* Gangers, so the
> Bonus part of the Objective doesn't do much.

So why would you just give Torgo the bonus and ignore the "make him a
ganger leader" part? Just like you get the reputation and ignore the
profession part for Initiation.

> > > In the case of Scatter and the Totems, consider Scatter starting out as
> > > having only a loose connection with her Totem. By playing Rat Totem on
> > > her, you're bringing her closer to her natural bent -- but you could
> > > also play Bear Totem (moo-hah-hah!) and draw her away from her
> > > predilection. Although it goes against the grain of the RPG, SRTCG
> > > shamans can add or drop Totems nearly at will; she just can't hold two
> > > of them at once.
>
> > Why can't you say the same for Torgo? Torgo starts out as the boss, but
> > the rest of the guys have their doubts about his toughness? Torgo gets
> > sick of the whole ordeal and starts demanding the respect he deserves
> > wich overwelms him with the backing and confidence of his men. As his
> > numbers grow, he gets more confident and tougher.
>
> Because it goes against the grain of the card? Torgo's already a leader
> -- he's already got a gang behind him (even if they're not represented
> by cards - who do you goes and pokes all the elves?) Leader of the Pack
> works best when you start out with just one Ganger in play, and slowly
> more and more Gangers rally around him or her; Torgo's already at the
> top, though.

So the exact argument that you used for Scatter gaining the benifits of
the Rat Totem don't apply to Torgo and LotP? Sounds pretty hipocritical
to me. *shrug* This discussion has gotten ridiculous. Will sommeone
please provide some _convincing_ argument against this combo, please?

thank you...

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