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From: Norman McLeod <mcleodn@***********.NET>
Subject: Re: Lord Torgo again....He's fun to talk about :)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:21:20 -0400
>>Note that Scatter is a "Rat Shaman" this does not say that Scatter has a
>Rat totem, but >that Scatter has a connection to rats. A Totem is a
>specific being, not an idea. Being >a Rat shaman does not mean you have
>connected to a specific Rat Totem. On LotP, it is >not the same situation.
>A Rat totem does not make you a Rat Shaman, a LotP DOES make >you a Ganger
>This is my spin on this argument (which will pretty much kill this thread
>I always assumed that Scatter was a shaman of the rat totem. She had the
>abilities pretty much bestowed by being a follower of such a totem, but at
>the time of the printing of the cards, her abilities were pretty much not
>fleshed out.

Now, I think you missed the most important part of my argument. What I said
was that a Totem is a specific entity, and you could worship and uphold the
ideals of the rat without being connected a Totem personality. What my post
intended to say was that just because Scatter worships the Rat doesn't mean
she has a Totem, it means that she worships the Rat. In other words, she can
be worshipng the rat, when all of the sudden, a Bear Totem (A sentient
creature of some sort) chooses to befriend and help her. Thus, a "Rat
Shaman" is not at all the same thing as a "Shaman" with a Rat Totem. A
Ganger Leader, is, sadly, the same thing as a Ganger Leader.

>Now with Leader of the Pack bestowing leadership abilities upon a ganger,
>it is argued that Lord Torgo can not be granted higher rites twice - the
>extra abilities would most likely make him too powerful. Therefore, under
>the same argument for Scatter, she could not be granted another totem
>because she already is bestowed 'rat' on her card

Once again, there is nothing on the Scatter card that specifically says, or
even dedinitely indicates, that she is connected to a Rat Totem, nor
anything on the "Rat Totem" card that says the shaman it is played on
becomes a "Rat Shaman" thus, the Rat Shaman card never even tries to make
Scatter into something (S)he already is, while the LotP does try to do this
to Torgo.


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