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From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Corporate Challenges (was Re: Suggestions for 2nd Edition)
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:03:49 -0700
hansen wrote:

> >A. Expansions could only introduce new ideas for themselves and future
> >releases. IOW if cards like Lone Star HQ required a keyword for their
> >effect, like one affecting Challenge (Lone Star) or Elf Lone Star Runner cards,
> >they wouldn't be able to touch anything in the Limited Edition. That's extremely
> >limiting and would be even worse for such a card in the 4th, 5th or 6th
> >expansion.

> Nope. Correct it in now.... Remember no matter whatever version u use the
> ruling always uses the latest print. Eg (M:tg): If you use an alpha print
> orcish oriflame and try to cast it for 1 red & 1 generic mana in one of my
> tournaments, I'd correct u & give u a warning 4 trying to misrepresent the
> card (ie trying to cheat).

Realize that this entails reprinting a large selection of cards from
Underworld, and players deliberately going out and purchasing them,
solely to correct a 'mistake' that most people don't even regard as
such. Right now, there's no difference between a Lone Star Patrol, and
a Lone Star K-9 Unit, as far as whether they're affected by Lone Star
HQ. Altering the Second Run Patrol to read as a Challenge (Lone
Star/Personnel/Street/Vehicle) immediately raises the question of
whether or not Lone Star K-9 Unit also counts as a Lone Star card, since
it's no longer keyed as such. [This is, essentially, Loki's point.]

Regarding the Ex-Lone Star Runner -- which sounds like a direct lift of
L5R's Hunter of Naga -- I think you're going about it in too lowbrow of
a manner. It's not like people read cards with little search-engines,
only picking up on %Lone%Star%; people are entirely capable of reading
things in context. Right now, there is no "foo" rule for SRTCG, so it
avoids the (silly) declaration made by L5R that if it looks like a
keyword and is in the title, it's actually that keyword. LSHQ asks for
a Lone Star card, and the ones that fall into that category are
self-obvious. A card that specifies that it is not ("Ex-") a Lone Star
card wouldn't be affected by it.

> The problem with keywords is the flexibility it gives... theres a infinite
> amount of keywords out there waiting to be used.... I definatly don't want a
> 80 page rulebook just for keywords.... The idea is just to keep them simple
> and rather general.... Actually, I'm not too hot with the Lone Star
> thing.... I mean what about other law enforcement agencies eg Knight Errant
> & NYPD Inc?
> Hmmm... Maybe for such specific groups use the <foo> rule but clarify in the
> book on when to use and when not to.... Maybe identify them by placing them
> in italics or square brackets or something....

Sounds too much like Decipher's Star Trek and Star Wars system (using
Lore). Right now I don't see that there's a problem so large -
including Torgo, Scatter, Lurker, and Lone Star - that a definitive
"this is a (foo)" system needs to be implemented. Usually once such a
system is implemented, you immdiately develop or discover hafl a dozen
cards which break the system, anyway.

Can't say italics or brackets has any visual appeal to me.

There is already one Knight Errant card out there; since Knight Errant
is a branch of the Ares megacorp, it's possible there will be another
card in the Corp War set.

> >Also, keep in mind Runner archetpye keywords are technically in the card
> >title (rigger, street sam, mage, shaman, decker, mercenary, ...). A
> >location/objective/challenge referring to a decker, for example, is
> >pointing to card tile (Ice Queen * Decker) and not the cards actual keyword line
> >(Elf Runner). Their decription keyword line merely carries race and runner
> >designation (elf runner, dwarf runner, troll prime runner, etc. Thus I
> >would say keyword is valid for card title and description line.

> So is Torgo a Ganger?

In regards to Loki's post, the word you're looking for is "profession"
(RBT, p. 19). (Just picking on the language. Challenges have keywords
and Runners don't, but we'll all end up calling them keywords anyway.)

As to Torgo - sigh.

He's a Ganger Leader.

Take it from there.



- Matt

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